Obsidian Entertainment Caves to a Vocal Minority: Controversial Backer Tombstone Changed in Pillars - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;47455288]Remember when developers had spines and stood by their work?[/QUOTE] Yep. When a release was a release and there was no such thing as patches or expansions. Them was the days.

remembef when women were women and men were men?

[QUOTE=Hugg;47455313]remembef when women were women and men were men?[/QUOTE] and people never got offended and nobody ever took back any joke they made and journalists were ethical and everybody agreed with each other over how things should be

Absolutely ridiculous, as soon as I seen the thread title is knew exactly what kind of nonsense would be contained within.

Like, I think that to determine whether or not the text is transphobic or not depends on information not provided within the text itself. We don't know if the person who the deceased slept with was a trans-woman or just a crossdresser or drag performer or what. However, just because I'm kind of getting the impression here that some of you might not be aware of this, it is not ever okay to call a male-to-female transgender person "actually a man." I wish to respectfully ask you to refrain from doing this. Ever.

[QUOTE=proch;47455278]sometimes i wonder if you're just trying your hardest to make shitty posts[/QUOTE] someone gotta take the milkandcooki title

Remember kids,If there is something you do not like,just whine about it until it gets removed or changed. No matter how wrong you are.

SO having sexual presences is offensive now?

[QUOTE=Glitchman;47455791]SO having sexual presences is offensive now?[/QUOTE] Everything is offensive when it's convenient for your narrative.

Obsidian handled this well. They asked the creator of the tombstone what he wanted to do, and in its place they put up a middle finger to people who are offended at the concept that a fiction character in a game has a homophobic point of view. [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;47454745]At least Crash Override is doing some good and wouldn't exist had gamergate not harassed her, so thanks gamergate[/QUOTE] What good, tangible things has Crash Override accomplished? I'm genuinely curious. [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] It looks like Zoe Quinn is at the head of Crash Override. Is this the same Zoe Quinn who [url=http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2014/12/margaret-pless-zoe-quinn.html]attempted to have Mike Cernovich doxxed and disbarred[/url] merely because she disagreed with him? Does this charity support all victims of online abuse, including those who may be affiliated with GamerGate who recieve death threats? Does this charity support those who may be victims of online harassment at the hands of Zoe Quinn herself? Is there meaningful evidence that she had a change of heart and that I can trust her to make the right calls with my money if I choose to donate? Why should I give my money to a charity to a company where their key members partake in the same activity they claim to denounce (this would be like donating to an anti-spousal abuse charity and finding out that its founder beats his wife.) What is the screening process for people who get harassed? What support is offered for victims of online harassment? What cases of online harassment have they successfully helped? I can, however, point to Unicef, PACER, Toys for Tots, & the WWF, which are well established charities, and say "Gamergate donated over $100K to these charities and more." So thanks gamergate.

Don't forget The Fine Young Capitalists, a charity to get women into programming. who AGGers fought en masse and even got kicked off indiegogo for a while. While GG donated a fuckton of money.

[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;47454085]Gamergte is larger but not more organised. This is due to its decentralized nature and the fact it is a consumer revolt (in which everyone just does what they feel like they should to further its goals). The SJW mob has a great many figureheads who can direct and concentrate the attentions and actions of their brainwashed followers. This leads to them essentially orchestrating clinical strikes against whatever thing they're complaining about that week. Also I really don't get why you put SJW in quotation marks; that is the mantle they often choose for themselves. Even if it isn't, it is a fairly good way of summing up their wants. Personally I think threads get civil around page 5 because the people who post witty comments or unsound arguments get bored/less angry and leave.[/QUOTE] The "SJW Mob" is often made up of journalists, who control the reviews. Reviews control the Metacritic score, and the Metacritic score affects the sales. We all know from New Vegas how just one point on the Metacritic score can affect an entire company. Gamergate may very well be larger but I do not believe they have more power or influence because Gamergate does not control the gaming media and the journalists do. Gamergate is still the bad guy, and the public at large is more ready to listen to the Metacritic score and the professional reviews. However in this case nobody really caught the offensive thing in time so it seems like it avoided the negative reviews. [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] That aside I think this whole thing is a non-issue. JSawyer has defended his decisions before in the face of such critiques. New Vegas has racism, sexism, and rape as themes, and he defended these decisions in the face of similar outcry. This outcry was simply never really spoken about because the topic wasn't really in vogue around the time New Vegas was released. He sure as shit wasn't going to cave in for the sake of one little poem, that's not the kind of guy he is. Everyone just sorta jumped to conclusions.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;47455943] That aside I think this whole thing is a non-issue. JSawyer has defended his decisions before in the face of such critiques. New Vegas has racism, sexism, and rape as themes, and he defended these decisions in the face of similar outcry. This outcry was simply never really spoken about because the topic wasn't really in vogue around the time New Vegas was released. He was never going to cave into any pressure, everyone just sorta jumped to conclusions.[/QUOTE] The problem with that is like the new vegas thing would be akin to be threatened with a stick, while the current way these people are nowadays, it's more akin to being threatened with a tactical nuke.

[QUOTE=Crimor;47455973]The problem with that is like the new vegas thing would be akin to be threatened with a stick, while the current way these people are nowadays, it's more akin to being threatened with a tactical nuke.[/QUOTE] That's the thing, I don't think anybody actually gave a shit. It was a few stupid Twitter users and that's it, I haven't seen any big names discuss it yet.

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;47455245]OP was wrong, GeneralSpecific vindicated, Recieves countless dumbs from a vocal minority I should make a whole fucking thread for it because it matters just as fucking much as this "issue" you guys have gone on about for nearly 240 posts[/QUOTE] We need a movement for ethics in calling out violations of ethics in video games [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;47455296]Yep. When a release was a release and there was no such thing as patches or expansions. Them was the days.[/QUOTE] I will personally not rest until every videogame is Custer's Revenge. But seriously, that was 1982. Why does gamergate act like outrage levied at videogames is a new thing?

Damn I was a real salty bitch last night. Sorry.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47454745]At least Crash Override is doing some good and wouldn't exist had gamergate not harassed her, so thanks gamergate[/QUOTE] This has gone on for a bit without me but I'm going to interject right here and get in the following: Yes, she is a good example of corruption because the positive coverage she got that everyone mentions wasn't only about her game, it was about the rebel game jam. Which is still accepting donations. Also crash override has a bunch of abusers in it, including zq so no, it's not really good.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47456668]We need a movement for ethics in calling out violations of ethics in video games [editline]4th April 2015[/editline] I will personally not rest until every videogame is Custer's Revenge. But seriously, that was 1982. Why does gamergate act like outrage levied at videogames is a new thing?[/QUOTE] I don't get it man. You ignore points brought up to your weaker arguments and then get all salty by the end of the thread. Not a single gamergaters thinks this is the first time video games came under fire. Does that mean we shouldn't do anything just because it's not the first time?

I have a problem with people equating "[I]disagreeing with self censorship due to social pressure[/I]", with "[I]literally believing one's personal free speech rights are being violated[/I]".

Remember when virtual blow jobs that showed nothing and had to be modded by a player was the pinnacle of offense? Then it evolved to an abstract design in a picture frame in a map in Call of Duty upsetting a single muslim guy and activision pulled the map, changed it, and re-released it... Now it's calling foul over a silly poem about two characters that didn't even exist in the fiction game world, and the character the poem was made at the expense of wasn't even the transgendered one

[QUOTE=TheTalon;47458488] Now it's calling foul over a silly poem about two characters that didn't even exist in the fiction game world, and the character the poem was made at the expense of wasn't even the transgendered one[/QUOTE] We don't even know if it was a transgendered person. Maybe it was a crossdresser, maybe it was an extreme case of 'dude looks like a lady', maybe the guy was just horrendously drunk off his ass. Nope, transmisogyny it is, and only that.

They're all acting like they've never gotten really drunk and accidentally fucked the wrong gender.

[QUOTE=Crimor;47458545]They're all acting like they've never gotten really drunk and accidentally fucked the wrong gender.[/QUOTE] What are you implying when you say "wrong" gender? Buddy you better change that before i start signal boosting on twitter to get the mods to BAN UR ASS.

[QUOTE=Idzo;47455556]Remember kids,If there is something you do not like,just whine about it until it gets removed or changed. No matter how wrong you are.[/QUOTE] I don't understand this line of thinking. If I post something that offends you, how the hell am I supposed to know I've offended you unless you speak up? If you speak up and I call it whining and disregard it, how is that right? The way it should work, and the way it worked in this case, is someone had an issue with something in the game. Obsidian was unaware this was an issue. They were made aware. Obsidian then decided what they would do about it. Everyone can then move on...except the people who adamant that unless it's an issue for them then it's not an issue for anyone. The world doesn't work like that, we all have to interact with other people every day. Unless you're a shut in, this means showing some courtesy and consideration for others and getting the same in return. If certain people are always being told to shut up and stop complaining then we've reached the point where the complainers are not the problem, the problems are the people telling them to shut up.

I am really really sad actually. How can people be so god damn paper-sensitive. It blows my mind. How do you fucking enjoy life if a joke, in a game, in a fantasy game, piss you off? Like honestly. I don't understand. I know some may just be 'acting' out on it just because they love there power to get things there way, but still.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47459534]I don't understand this line of thinking. If I post something that offends you, how the hell am I supposed to know I've offended you unless you speak up? If you speak up and I call it whining and disregard it, how is that right? [/QUOTE] The only metric you can use if you've offended yourself. Most people over the age of 12 develop some sense of inherent morality which is more than enough. Offense in itself is not something we should strive to avoid. Allowing other people to "offend you" in such a way that it paralyzes you is pointless. Like, if your having a conversation with someone about morality or something, hey im not saying you shouldnt state your opinion on the subject and argue the point. But you cant go through life nitpicking every thing every stranger does that "offends" you.

why the hell are so many of the retards on 8chan complaining about obsidian they gave the backer the choice to keep it, change it, or remove it the backer chose to change it, and that's what happened why is this a big deal

[QUOTE=Monkah;47460040]why the hell are so many of the retards on 8chan complaining about obsidian they gave the backer the choice to keep it, change it, or remove it the backer chose to change it, and that's what happened why is this a big deal[/QUOTE] well now that they changed it to a snarky joke the people who got it changed are complaining just as loudly.

[QUOTE=Monkah;47460040]why the hell are so many of the retards on 8chan complaining about obsidian they gave the backer the choice to keep it, change it, or remove it the backer chose to change it, and that's what happened why is this a big deal[/QUOTE] some people are pissed that they even asked him in the first place. personally i dont think this isn't something to take that angle with. It's not a very strong position and we don't know the exacting details so theres a whole lot of assumptions about the feelings involved in the whole thing. We have better priorities etc.

[QUOTE=Monkah;47460040]why the hell are so many of the retards on 8chan complaining about obsidian they gave the backer the choice to keep it, change it, or remove it the backer chose to change it, and that's what happened why is this a big deal[/QUOTE] If I had to hazard a guess, it would probably be that they're retarded 8channers.