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[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;39681617][URL]http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/fixing-immigration-system-america-s-21st-century-economy[/URL][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=whitehouse.gov]Responsibility by the federal government to secure our borders: Today, our borders are more secure than at any time in the past several decades, and the Administration continues to refine and strengthen its strategy. Enforcement resources should be focused on preventing those who would do our nation harm from entering our country.[/QUOTE] Yup, our borders sure our secure, minus all of the people crossing and the drugs flowing out of Mexico. [QUOTE=whitehouse.gov]Strengthening our economic competiveness by creating a legal immigration system that reflects our values and diverse needs: Our immigration laws should continue to reunify families and encourage individuals we train in our world-class institutions to stay and develop new technologies and industries in the United States rather than abroad. The law should stop punishing innocent young people whose parents brought them here illegally and give those young men and women a chance to stay in this country if they serve in the military or pursue higher education. A smart 21st century system should also provide farmers a legal way to hire the workers they rely on year after year, and it should improve procedures for employers who seek to hire foreign workers for jobs if U.S. workers are not available.[/QUOTE] Great, now where is the plan? This tells us what would be nice, [B]but where is the plan to make it happen Mr. President? [/B] [editline]22nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;39681610]The Republicans and Tea Party folk are desperate to gain ground with Hispanics in 4 years for the next election so they might be willing to soften up on immigration.[/QUOTE] George Bush won 35% of the hispanic vote in 2000 because he had good ideas about immigration. Don't go blabbing about how hispanics don't vote republican.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681676]Yup, our borders sure our secure, minus all of the people crossing and the drugs flowing out of Mexico. Great, now where is the plan? This tells us what would be nice, but where is the plan to make it happen Mr. President? [editline]22nd February 2013[/editline] George Bush won 35% of the hispanic vote in 2000 because he had good ideas about immigration. Don't go blabbing about how hispanics don't vote republican.[/QUOTE] You know how large the US-Mexico border is, right? and how much of it is a desert where no one lives? There are many systems in place to stop illegal immigration and many hard working police officers and border guards trying to stop immigration like this. No shit they can't stop everyone, it's a needle in a haystack line where officers can only patrol so much for certain hours.
[QUOTE=Terragen;39681647]Then you are absolutely retarded if you think that way. Just because some people are like this doesn't make everyone the same. I personally hate white people in this country who think like that, but then again I am Native American but you don't see me rallying about what happened 100's of years ago.[/QUOTE] UziXxX was talking about the Tea Party's stance on immigration. I don't pretend to have intimate knowledge of the way the US is run, but I know what I've heard, and all I've heard of the Tea Party is racism and general nutjob-ness. I don't really know why you mentioned being a native american, though.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;39681700]You know how large the US-Mexico border is, right? and how much of it is a desert where no one lives? There are many systems in place to stop illegal immigration and many hard working police officers and border guards trying to stop immigration like this. No shit they can't stop everyone, it's a needle in a haystack line where officers can only patrol so much for certain hours.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying they aren't hard working. I support those agents 100%, but every time they do their job, they charged with murder or something ridiculous.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681676]George Bush won 35% of the hispanic vote in 2000 because he had good ideas about immigration. Don't go blabbing about how hispanics don't vote republican.[/QUOTE] And thank God he fixed immigration so there are no problems to deal with today.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;39681702]UziXxX was talking about the Tea Party's stance on immigration. I don't pretend to have intimate knowledge of the way the US is run, but I know what I've heard, and all I've heard of the Tea Party is racism and general nutjob-ness. I don't really know why you mentioned being a native american, though.[/QUOTE] Then I appologize, you had me thinking your thoughts were every white was some super racist.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681548]The level of ignorance is palpable. Are you aware that one of the leaders of the tea party is Marco Rubio, a latino, son of Cuban immigrants?[/QUOTE] There are no "leaders" of the Tea Party because the Tea Party is not an organization with card-carrying members. While these people would have you believe that their "leaders" include people like Ron Paul, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul, the majority of tea partiers are [img]http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Anti+War+Demonstrators+Protest+Obama+Fundraiser+AQlnH1xjNpUl.jpg[/img] these people. The tea party isn't a libertarian brand of conservatism, it is in fact a highly reactionary brand of conservatism. their entire platform is simply "obama is a muslim"
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;39681702]all I've heard of the Tea Party is racism and general nutjob-ness.[/QUOTE] As I said before, all the media ever does is smear the tea party. [editline]22nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=prooboo;39681731][img]http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Anti+War+Demonstrators+Protest+Obama+Fundraiser+AQlnH1xjNpUl.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Those people are conspiracy theorists. They're every where. You get them no matter where you go. Don't take a small minority of people and use them as the face for things.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681676] George Bush won 35% of the hispanic vote in 2000 because he had good ideas about immigration. Don't go blabbing about how hispanics don't vote republican.[/QUOTE] Bush is irrelevant. [url]http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/latino-voters-in-the-2012-election/[/url] [url]http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/20121107latino-votes-key-obamas-win.html[/url]
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681712]I'm not saying they aren't hard working. I support those agents 100%, but every time they do their job, they charged with murder or something ridiculous.[/QUOTE] What?? You just implied that border patrol agents should [b]KILL[/b] anyone trying to find a better life here. What is wrong with you?
[QUOTE=OvB;39681762]Bush is irrelevant. [url]http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/latino-voters-in-the-2012-election/[/url] [url]http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/20121107latino-votes-key-obamas-win.html[/url][/QUOTE] Actually, he isn't. [QUOTE=azcentral]and they have campaigned on the promise of immigration reform.[/QUOTE] Barack Obama campaigned on a lot of promises. Still yet to see a plan though.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681712]I'm not saying they aren't hard working. I support those agents 100%, but every time they do their job, they charged with murder or something ridiculous.[/QUOTE] That's just not true
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39681779]What?? You just implied that border patrol agents should [B]KILL[/B] anyone trying to find a better life here. What is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] Actually, I didn't, because boarder patrol doesn't kill anyone trying to cross the border.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681797]Actually, I didn't, because boarder patrol doesn't kill anyone trying to cross the border.[/QUOTE] " I support those agents 100%, but every time they do their job, they charged with murder or something ridiculous." Being charged with murder for "doing their job" means that in this scenario you've constructed, the border patrol agents killed someone. So doing their job means killing people, and you've said that it is ridiculous that they get punished for it. Xenophobia poster-child.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681732]As I said before, all the media ever does is smear the tea party. [editline]22nd February 2013[/editline] Those people are conspiracy theorists. They're every where. You get them no matter where you go. Don't take a small minority of people and use them as the face for things.[/QUOTE] A small minority? The tea party protestors equate their political agenda with that of an over-idealized group of political terrorists from the late 1700s called the "sons of liberty" that started a revolution against what they perceived as a tyrannical government. Why do they do this? Because they legitimately believe that Obama is the antichrist/devil/a muslim/a kenyan/a communist sent here by Osama bin Laden/the devil/hell/kenya/soviet russia to take away our freedom/guns/income/military budget and replace them with fascism/minorities/chips in our heads/atheism/taxes/tyranny. These people ARE the tea party. They're ALL fringe lunatics, not just some "small minority"
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681676]Yup, our borders sure our secure, minus all of the people crossing and the drugs flowing out of Mexico. Great, now where is the plan? This tells us what would be nice, [B]but where is the plan to make it happen Mr. President? [/B] [editline]22nd February 2013[/editline] George Bush won 35% of the hispanic vote in 2000 because he had good ideas about immigration. Don't go blabbing about how hispanics don't vote republican.[/QUOTE] Under George Bush groups like the Minute Men popped up to "Guard the borders", and while classified as breaking the law, were rarely charged with anything. Bush didn't end up changing anything, maybe he had good ideas, but we can talk about what he did and not what he wanted because he's over. He didn't really do much to fix anything about immigration. The borders of the US are more secure now than ever before. Seriously. It's just that you have no god damn idea the number of people who used to cross compared to now and how many people really do attempt it, it's too bad those statistics don't exist due to not actually knowing how many people are in the US or do try to cross, we only know who we stop and who we catch when they're here. They're probably doing a better job now than before. You know, you let Bush get away with shit and act like he couldn't have done those things because he's just the president, not an all powerful political entity, than you ask Obama to be that entity to get his fixes done. Makes no god damn sense.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681780]Actually, he isn't. Barack Obama campaigned on a lot of promises. Still yet to see a plan though.[/QUOTE] Obama pandered to Hispanics and got their vote. Now the Republicans have to do the same if they want the vote in 2016. That's basically how American politics works. [i]Promise everything, do nothing![/i] So as I said, they want the vote next election, so they're probably going to introduce more lax policies on things like Immigration. I'm not sure what you're arguing about with me.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681797]Actually, I didn't, because boarder patrol doesn't kill anyone trying to cross the border.[/QUOTE] so why did you say they get charged with murder for doing their job? They get charged for murder when they kill someone trying to cross the border, because that's not their job. Their job isn't to kill anyone, and they do their job very well and are faced with a scale and scope of attempts to enter that it's more than plausible they just don't have the manpower to perform at the scale requested. They're people, not super men. Your views seem so strangely one sided
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39681827]So doing their job means killing people[/QUOTE] Police officers have killed people before, but that doesn't mean their job is to kill people. [QUOTE=Bletotum;39681827]and you've said that it is ridiculous that they get punished for it.[/QUOTE] It depends on the case.
White people are the minority. Givernments appeal to majority
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681867]Police officers have killed people before, but that doesn't mean their job is to kill people. It depends on the case.[/QUOTE] police officers have authority to kill because of context, if killing a dangerous person solves a dangerous situation and saves lives of innocents as well as the officers, then it is a legal action for the good of the people. You can not, and should not, misconstrue this into the idea that immigration officers have the ability to kill for any reason besides self defence.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39681905] You can not, and should not, misconstrue this into the idea that immigration officers have the ability to kill for any reason besides self defence.[/QUOTE] Immigration officers are different from border patrol agents, you do know that, right?
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681934]Immigration officers are different from border patrol agents, you do know that, right?[/QUOTE] and you can throw border patrol agents under that as well. They do not have the authority to kill unless to save themselves, and I am not sure that mexicans who are too poor to do much of anything in their own country or here are able to afford weapons that threaten the well armed border patrol agents. Do not try and say they have the right to kill, you are just categorically wrong.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39681949]and you can throw border patrol agents under that as well. They do not have the authority to kill unless to save themselves, and I am not sure that mexicans who are too poor to do much of anything in their own country or here are able to afford weapons that threaten the well armed border patrol agents.[/QUOTE] Poor Mexican citizens are often forced to join drug cartels, who were armed to the teeth by operation fast & furious. I'm not saying these are the people trying to cross the border, I'm simply correcting you.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681980]Poor Mexican citizens are often forced to join drug cartels, who were armed to the teeth by operation fast & furious. I'm not saying these are the people trying to cross the border, I'm simply correcting you.[/QUOTE] Because before that they fought with swords and axes. [t]http://imageshack.us/a/img854/3002/starkmen.jpg[/t] Accurate picture of pre-Fast and Furious Zetas cartel members..
Same issue in the UK, same retards complaining about it.
i thought we had a constitution to prevent this sort of stuff
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681980]Poor Mexican citizens are often forced to join drug cartels, who were armed to the teeth by operation fast & furious. I'm not saying these are the people trying to cross the border, I'm simply correcting you.[/QUOTE] Yes, there are armed cartel runs, but this isn't Breaking Bad, as much as it is a reality, that doesn't happen often and is the most obvious and blunt way to do things and does not result in what the cartel wants, they're not dumb, they wouldn't waste resources in such a dead set failure. If the cartel is getting someone in the US, it'll be as sneakily as it can be. They have authority to kill to defend themselves but I don't think you're going to be able to find much proof of armed runs of illegals into the country being successful or common due to being failures
[QUOTE=UziXxX;39681867]Police officers have killed people before, but that doesn't mean their job is to kill people.[/QUOTE] Wow, holy shit. I was obviously referring to what you said. You just replied to yourself with a contradicting statement.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;39681869]White people are the minority. Givernments appeal to majority[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf[/url] (Page 7) Since when was 72% a minority?
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