[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;41727032]or the same way people consider the n-word to be offensive[/QUOTE]
No
More like Jap or Yank
[QUOTE=Vasili;41727111]you care more about inserting your ideology into the show than the actual universe itself.
why do you want him to be a woman or a non white, because somehow a white doctor who suppresses women and non whites? this is a pathetic grasp at straws.[/QUOTE]
Quit putting words in my mouth. I'm not trying to say "making the Doctor white is an act of oppression against all non-whites." I'm simply asking why the creators constantly make him a white male.
I understand that there might be a specific stereotypical mindset for who the Doctor is. But, there was also this same mindset for other characters. Waston in Sherlock Holmes had a stereotypical representation as an intelligent, doting, portly assistant. "Sherlock" and "Elementary" significantly changed that perception. "Voyager" challenged the notion that a Starfleet Captain has to be a wise and intelligent older man. You can break with stereotypes while still upholding some of their core characteristics. I honestly think some women would be able to accomplish this, and I'm sure the Doctor Who writers have thought about this too - after all, there was "Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death" which ended with the Doctor as a woman.
Boo hoo, I think it would be nice to see a female Doctor. That doesn't mean I'm going to ram on everyone who likes Capaldi. Look back at my posts - I obviously stated [i]two[/i] times that he's a good choice. I'd rather see a white male Doctor who works with the show's current state than a transgender black female Doctor who breaks the format. That doesn't mean we shouldn't stop and ask why the Doctor could/couldn't work with other characteristics.
It's sad that this argument has to jump down to "stop putting your ideology in my favorite television shows," because that's [b]not[/b] what I'm doing at all. Unless questioning and critiquing a show automatically means I'm attacking it and trying to subvert your favorite narratives.
Damn, I lost my bet!
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727346]Quit putting words in my mouth. I'm not trying to say "making the Doctor white is an act of oppression against all non-whites." I'm simply asking why the creators constantly make him a white male.
I understand that there might be a specific stereotypical mindset for who the Doctor is. But, there was also this same mindset for other characters. Waston in Sherlock Holmes had a stereotypical representation as an intelligent, doting, portly assistant. "Sherlock" and "Elementary" significantly changed that perception. "Voyager" challenged the notion that a Starfleet Captain has to be a wise and intelligent older man. You can break with stereotypes while still upholding some of their core characteristics. I honestly think some women would be able to accomplish this, and I'm sure the Doctor Who writers have thought about this too - after all, there was "Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death" which ended with the Doctor as a woman.
Boo hoo, I think it would be nice to see a female Doctor. That doesn't mean I'm going to ram on everyone who likes Capaldi. Look back at my posts - I obviously stated [I]two[/I] times that he's a good choice. I'd rather see a white male Doctor who works with the show's current state than a transgender black female Doctor who breaks the format. That doesn't mean we shouldn't stop and ask why the Doctor could/couldn't work with other characteristics.
It's sad that this argument has to jump down to "stop putting your ideology in my favorite television shows," because that's [B]not[/B] what I'm doing at all. Unless questioning and critiquing a show automatically means I'm attacking it and trying to subvert your favorite narratives.[/QUOTE]
There's a huge problem with your examples though. Star trek captains are a concept and on top of that they are vastly different from each other. Picard is the only one that fits the older wise man trope. Kirk is a complete outlier to that, Archer is different to, same goes for Sisko. Janeway is no more different than them.
As to Sherlock - that isn't the same character. That's a reintepretation of a character story and concept.
The doctor on the other hand is one continuous character that doesn't change much.
For the record most of our arguments aren't based on puting ideology into the show. They are citing consistency reasons and asking you to evaluate reasons why you want the character to be changed. If you cannot come up with a reason that is directly beneficial to the show without causing more issues in the character perception then you should consider not having a strong enough reason to do so.
Because from where many of us stand, you really aren't put forth any convincing arguments why such an established character should have be changed to such an extent even if it conflicts with how the character has been set up to date.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727346]Quit putting words in my mouth. I'm not trying to say "making the Doctor white is an act of oppression against all non-whites." I'm simply asking why the creators constantly make him a white male.
I understand that there might be a specific stereotypical mindset for who the Doctor is. But, there was also this same mindset for other characters. Waston in Sherlock Holmes had a stereotypical representation as an intelligent, doting, portly assistant. "Sherlock" and "Elementary" significantly changed that perception. "Voyager" challenged the notion that a Starfleet Captain has to be a wise and intelligent older man. You can break with stereotypes while still upholding some of their core characteristics. I honestly think some women would be able to accomplish this, and I'm sure the Doctor Who writers have thought about this too - after all, there was "Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death" which ended with the Doctor as a woman.
Boo hoo, I think it would be nice to see a female Doctor. That doesn't mean I'm going to ram on everyone who likes Capaldi. Look back at my posts - I obviously stated [I]two[/I] times that he's a good choice. I'd rather see a white male Doctor who works with the show's current state than a transgender black female Doctor who breaks the format. That doesn't mean we shouldn't stop and ask why the Doctor could/couldn't work with other characteristics.
It's sad that this argument has to jump down to "stop putting your ideology in my favorite television shows," because that's [B]not[/B] what I'm doing at all. Unless questioning and critiquing a show automatically means I'm attacking it and trying to subvert your favorite narratives.[/QUOTE]
you complained earlier we have too many male protagonists, quite obviously implying exactly why you want a female doctor, not because a female doctor may be different but because you want to ram a ideology into the show to express women can be strong people too.
and its completely unnecessary, rather counter productive you care more about sexes and racials of the doctor than the actual show and lore itself.
you've yet to even explain why you'd want this, other than it being 'interesting' or 'nice'.
[QUOTE=Vasili;41727523]you complained earlier we have too many male protagonists, quite obviously implying exactly why you want a female doctor, not because a female doctor may be different but because you want to ram a ideology into the show to express women can be strong people too.[/quote]
Yeah, we have a lot of male protagonists and I wish we would start having new television series which write for female protagonists. But you're acting like I would rather have a woman Doctor in an unprepared and jarring show than a proper Doctor who is male.
That's clearly not the case.
[quote]and its completely unnecessary, rather counter productive you care more about sexes and racials of the doctor than the actual show and lore itself.[/quote]
Hey, guess what? I [b]don't know a lot about Doctor Who.[/b] I'm putting forward a viewpoint based on my own experience with friends and episodes; that doesn't mean I'm saying that Doctor Who is inherently misogynistic or racist.
Just because I throw in some facts and state that society has a bias towards certain characters does not mean that I want to blow the entire show away so it fits with what I want.
I'm making a critique and observation based on my own viewpoint and my past experience. I want to see a position where the show is ready for a female Doctor, and the writers take that opportunity. I think it's possible, and I think the show could create a new Doctor who isn't male. That doesn't mean I'm going to assert that the show needs to hamfist in these perspectives. I made that very clear in my first post. I just think the writers should be thinking about the Doctor's future, and how their base is taking on feminists and SJ sympathizers every day.
[quote]you've yet to even explain why you'd want this, other than it being 'interesting' or 'nice'.[/QUOTE]
It enriches the Universe by exploring a new perspective as to how Time Lords operate (certainly, the Doctor was a woman before in Cruse of Fatal Death; there would be a lot of interesting theories to put forward); it allows the writers to further explore women within history; it creates a new character development dynamic between two female leads or a female and male lead; it gives writers a greater opening to discuss issues like gender dynamics; among others.
Again, I'm not trying to create some sort of campaign where every show needs to turn their protagonist into a strong woman. I'm just wondering why the Doctor has to constantly fit the same physical characteristics every time he regenerates. Is there something wrong with that? If it's jarring or doesn't fit the Universe, I get that. But I don't think the Doctor is going to be a white male dude forever. If the show continues to reel in an international audience across genders, then the Doctor is eventually going to change.
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Hey, guess what? I don't know a lot about Doctor Who. I'm putting forward a viewpoint based on my own experience with friends and episodes; that doesn't mean I'm saying that Doctor Who is inherently misogynistic or racist.
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In which case why show such a clear dissapointment that the new doctor is again a white male englander?
[QUOTE=wraithcat;41727670]In which case why show such a clear dissapointment that the new doctor is again a white male englander?[/QUOTE]
I'm upset with the fact that video games like GTA V don't have female protags either; that doesn't mean I'm about to riot in front of Rockstar and call them misogynistic scumbags.
I'm disappointed because I think a female 12th would bring in the personality, character dynamics, and history that would reel me back into the show. But that doesn't mean that the show is misogynistic. Doctor Who is not Duke Nukem.
And again, as I said over and over again, Capaldi is a great actor and he's going to bring a lot to the show. I might very well start watching the series again depending on how he plays the Doctor.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727630]
I [B]don't know a lot about Doctor Who.[/B] [/QUOTE]
This is the problem.
[QUOTE]I'm just wondering why the Doctor has to constantly fit the same physical characteristics every time he regenerates. Is there something wrong with that?
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It's because those characteristics tie all of the doctors together and reinforce the fact that he's still the same person every time he regenerates, when people think of The Doctor they usually think of an eccentric man with a goofy fashion sense.
It would be awkward and pointless to suddenly change this for the sake of being ~progressive~.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;41727670]In which case why show such a clear dissapointment that the new doctor is again a white male englander?[/QUOTE]
He is Scottish.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727715]I'm upset with the fact that video games like GTA V don't have female protags either; that doesn't mean I'm about to riot in front of Rockstar and call them misogynistic scumbags.
I'm disappointed because I think a female 12th would bring in the personality, character dynamics, and history that would reel me back into the show. But that doesn't mean that the show is misogynistic. Doctor Who is not Duke Nukem.
And again, as I said over and over again, Capaldi is a great actor and he's going to bring a lot to the show. I might very well start watching the series again depending on how he plays the Doctor.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but by your own admission you don't know a huge lot about the personality, character dynamics and history that is presently there. And as such are arguing for a shift in them even if it makes no real sense from the standpoint of the current ones.
While I strongly agree with you that a number of things could certainly use more female characters, and certainly games with a carte blanche characters. A number of things don't really work well without a preset gender.
From a female standpoint - beyond good and evil would just not work as well with a male lead. And there's countless of shows with male characters as leads where this holds true for them. Now some characters are more maleable than others of course. The lead from I am legend could very well have been a white or asian male since the race is a very small part of that character. But for instance it suddenly is a lot more important with characters like Forest Gump, Doctor who, or even Agent J from men in black.
Same goes for gender. Perhaps the most maleable concept is sexuality since it has the potential lowest impact on certain small factors.
Are there more male leads than female ones? Sadly yes. But fixing this by changing established and continuous characters is not the right way to go at it as it often hurts the established and continuous narrative of these very same characters.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;41727793]He is Scottish.[/QUOTE]
UKer - continental habit of calling anything from the UK english. Even if it's from northern ireland.
Perhaps I'm not the best person to put forward the argument for a female Doctor, but I know hardcore fans have put forward the argument that one could work. It's out there for sure, and isn't simply and outlier position based on someone who hasn't experienced the show.
Again, I agree that you can't simply hamfist characters into a series. James Bond doesn't work without a man as the lead, even if M can be a woman and Ms. Pennyfeather can be black agent. If the Doctor is cast as a woman (and I'm positive the Doctor eventually will be), it needs to be done properly and respectfully for the Doctor Who series. A female Doctor isn't a good character if she's simply shoved in.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727845]Perhaps I'm not the best person to put forward the argument for a female Doctor, but I know hardcore fans have put forward the argument that one could work. It's out there for sure, and isn't simply and outlier position based on someone who hasn't experienced the show.
Again, I agree that you can't simply hamfist characters into a series. James Bond doesn't work without a man as the lead, even if M can be a woman and Ms. Pennyfeather can be black agent. If the Doctor is cast as a woman (and I'm positive the Doctor eventually will be), it needs to be done properly and respectfully for the Doctor Who series. A female Doctor isn't a good character if she's simply shoved in.[/QUOTE]
Yep, it's generally the supporting cast that is the most maleable so to speak. Because they tend to modify how the established character works and functions without directly impacting him from his very character concept.
I don't see the point in changing a traditionally white/male character to a woman or poc when they are constantly introducing good female and poc characters into the series anyway.
The doctor often, if not always, has strong female companions(more or less). The doctor could be a woman, but I don't see how it moves the show forward because there's so much we should explore about the doctor rather than trying to create new mysteries out of a desire to see gender role exploration where it's not the best fit.
I understand the desire for strong female characters, and strong female protagonists, but the change would seem forced
I might get back into Doctor Who now. I loved Christopher Eccleston and enjoyed David Tennant for the most part but the show started feeling tacky half way through Tennant and all the way through Matt Smith's time.
I hope Peter's influence will lead to some more in depth and maturer stories than what it's been. Though that being said, I stopped watching for ages so maybe I missed out on some good plot lines.
To be fair, Doctor Who was incredibly misogynistic during the original series (as was fucking ANYTHING during the 60-70s).
Still, get over yourselves.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727630]Yeah, we have a lot of male protagonists and I wish we would start having new television series which write for female protagonists. But you're acting like I would rather have a woman Doctor in an unprepared and jarring show than a proper Doctor who is male.
That's clearly not the case.[/quote]
i think you just want it to be a woman to appeal to novelty.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727630]
I'm making a critique and observation based on my own viewpoint and my past experience. I want to see a position where the show is ready for a female Doctor, and the writers take that opportunity. I think it's possible, and I think the show could create a new Doctor who isn't male.
It enriches the Universe by exploring a new perspective as to how Time Lords operate (certainly, the Doctor was a woman before in Cruse of Fatal Death; there would be a lot of interesting theories to put forward); it allows the writers to further explore women within history; it creates a new character development dynamic between two female leads or a female and male lead; it gives writers a greater opening to discuss issues like gender dynamics; among others.
Again, I'm not trying to create some sort of campaign where every show needs to turn their protagonist into a strong woman. I'm just wondering why the Doctor has to constantly fit the same physical characteristics every time he regenerates. Is there something wrong with that?[/QUOTE]
there is something wrong with you when you want to replace actors with women or non whites to empower women or minorities to 'educate' kids that women or non white people can be strong too. you haven't even bothered to explain the significance of giving the doctor a vagina other than it somehow empowers of women and a chance to insert your social ideology into a kids show. oh, well, you did say it would bring a "dynamic between two female leads"
thats all you could think of??? thats really your in-show pro other than trying to educate kids on gender roles and equality??
each doctor has been physical different, his characteristics are different too, they keep the personality;
[quote]during regeneration, there were the genetic equivalent of 'bit errors' in the DNA of the regenerating cells. The Time Lord would change in appearance, height, mass or apparent age. The personality would also change; even the cells and chemistry of the brain regenerated. Although the aspects of their personality caused by "nurture," their basic personality, would not change, the "nature," their aspects, quirks, and habits, contribution to their personality would. (AUDIO: The Sirens of Time) One source stated that Time Lords of the Oldblood Houses, born with just one heart, grew a second heart on regeneration. This included the Doctor, who in his first incarnation had only one heart. (PROSE: The Man in the Velvet Mask) According to the Eleventh Doctor, every regeneration was painful. (TV: Death of the Doctor)
More extreme changes were possible. Cavisadoratrelundar regenerated a complete body after being decapitated; the process was cut short when he was stabbed through both hearts. (PROSE: The Shadows of Avalon) The Eleventh Doctor at first thought he had become a woman before rediscovering his Adam's Apple, (TV: The End of Time) while the Ninth Doctor suggested two heads or none were possible (TV: The Parting of the Ways). His eleventh incarnation stated clearly that he could become "anything". (TV: Death of the Doctor) Romana was known to be able to choose her appearance; one option she considered was coloured blue. (TV: Destiny of the Daleks) The Corsair was a Time Lord/Time Lady whom the Doctor had known in both sexes. (TV: The Doctor's Wife) Time Lords could also change their skin colour, as mentioned by the Doctor, (TV: Death of the Doctor) and seen in Melody Pond's case when she regenerated into her third and final incarnation. (TV: Let's Kill Hitler)
In nearly all cases, Time Lord regenerations remained humanoid; one Time Lord, Lord Cardinal Zero, regenerated into an avian lifeform. (AUDIO: Spring) Though a healthy body seemed to be the default, the Doctor's eleventh incarnation made it a priority - even amidst serious damage to his TARDIS - to immediately conduct a physical inventory to make sure he still had two legs and sufficient fingers, eyes, ears, a nose, chin and hair, which does imply that regeneration can lead to dismemberment, perhaps if the process was flawed or interrupted. (TV: The End of Time)[/quote]
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727715]
I'm disappointed because I think a female 12th would bring in the personality, character dynamics, and history that would reel me back into the show.[/quote]
how on earth would it bring in personality and dynamics??? how would a female role be remotely unique in personality and dynamic compared to male counter part? new actors introduce that, not their sex or race.
its very weird changing the sex/race of a character would perk your interests
[QUOTE=Reimu;41727715]And again, as I said over and over again, Capaldi is a great actor and he's going to bring a lot to the show. I might very well start watching the series again depending on how he plays the Doctor.[/QUOTE]
oh sure right, but a female would of been way cooler wouldn't it.
I dont understand why itd be such a big deal to have a female doctor
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
I mean I dont take issue with it, itd be totally fine
Guys, guys. Let's just settle with a compromise:
Capaldi in drag.
I that one episode where the Doctor goes to that green tardis-eating planet outside of the universe he muses about another Time Lord who changed sex through a regeneration.
Just saying, it's possible.
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
also new doctor looks good. the way I see it as long as they don't change the canon they can do whatever the hell they want because it'll change again.
[QUOTE=InUndenial;41728231]I that one episode where the Doctor goes to that green tardis-eating planet outside of the universe he muses about another Time Lord who changed sex through a regeneration.
Just saying, it's possible.[/QUOTE]
Well if the possibility is hinted in the lore, why not
[QUOTE=Hellduck;41728140]I dont understand why itd be such a big deal to have a female doctor
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
I mean I dont take issue with it, itd be totally fine[/QUOTE]
theres nothing wrong with him becoming female, i'm sure many male fans would relish in new material to masturbate or draw porn too. moffat in a interview admitted he was even pleaded by women to not change the sex of the doctor, did anyone even bother to think maybe female fans also like a male doctor? like wraithcat above, she likes a male role and shes not going to suddenly feel she is inferior to a male protagonist and take up a work at home mother mentality. why can't we admire the person for what they bring to the table rather than their vagina/penis? does it fucking matter what sexual background, racial or mental position they're from? could it possible be that the previous 12 actors were not picked because they're white, but because of their talent? why do people even raise the question of making the next one a female if apparently it doesn't matter.
people casually toss away the doctors companion, the ever defiant and strong companion that aids the doctor in his time of need, whether mentally or physically. doctor who is about two people, him and the companion. the doctor needs a companion.
the real issue i have is they don't want a female because they'd be good for the roll, they just have an apologetic guilty nature about themselves.
[QUOTE=InUndenial;41728231]I that one episode where the Doctor goes to that green tardis-eating planet outside of the universe he muses about another Time Lord who changed sex through a regeneration.
Just saying, it's possible.
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
also new doctor looks good. the way I see it as long as they don't change the canon they can do whatever the hell they want because it'll change again.[/QUOTE]
The fact that it was even brought up as a point of interest in the first place indicates that it is possible but unusual.
[QUOTE=Vasili;41728102]i think you just want it to be a woman to appeal to novelty.[/quote]
I'm glad you're gonna keep saying that over and over again without adding anything meaningful to your posts.
[quote]there is something wrong with you when you want to replace actors with women or non whites to empower women or minorities to 'educate' kids that women or non white people can be strong too. you haven't even bothered to explain the significance of giving the doctor a vagina other than it somehow empowers of women and a chance to insert your social ideology into a kids show. oh, well, you did say it would bring a "dynamic between two female leads"[/quote]
For fuck's sake, I'm simply asking why a relatively versatile show isn't willing to cast a poc or woman in the lead role. Fans and non-fans alike have posed the question. I'm not asking for the series to constantly hire non-whites and women; I'm not asking the series to never hire a white male again. I'm just trying to figure out why the series seems to hire white males as the lead role, and everyone else has answered that question. Except you, who seems to take this personal as if I'm trying to change one of your favorite shows and make it SJ-friendly.
You seem to be making a big deal about how this is a "kid's show," when it's clear Doctor Who is been popular amongst demographics for awhile now. Plus, other "kid's shows" - like Adventure Time - seem to be posing serious questions about gender and body image on a regular basis. What do you think I'm trying to do, create an army of little SJ kids to fight against misogyny? It's just about wondering why casters seem to constantly lean towards white males, when the protag [i]seems[/i] to be a very flexible role. Moffat himself claims it,
[quote]“It’s absolutely narratively possible [that the Doctor could be a woman],” Moffat told DigitalSpy of a possible 13th Doctor, despite the apparent regeneration limits of the character. “And when it’s the right decision, maybe we’ll do it. It didn’t feel right to me, right now. I didn’t feel enough people wanted it.”[/quote]
[url]http://screencrush.com/doctor-who-peter-capaldi-female-steven-moffat/[/url]
I don't want Doctor Who to be some sort of SJ show that includes all creeds and walks of life. I'm just wondering why the show wasn't ready for a female Doctor, when people like Moffat clearly state that they think the show can handle it.
There is also something wrong when casters white wash characters, like Kahn in Star Trek II, Tonto in the 2013 Lone Ranger, and Tony Mendez in Argo - but that's a non-issue, right?
Oh wait, I'm not forcing anyone to change the Doctor's gender or race. I'm simply asking why the series hasn't made a move to that yet, and some of the fans here have made that observation.
You're blowing this up and making it an issue. If you want to argue about why feminists and poc activists are upset with media representation, start a thread about it. I'm not hijacking this thread to talk about the ramifications of a series I'm not familiar with. That's why I backed down when wraith and some of the others came in.
[quote]thats all you could think of??? thats really your in-show pro other than trying to educate kids on gender roles and equality??[/quote]
Uh yeah. You're asking me to do an in-depth analysis of a show I've watched an hour of. What the fuck do you want me to say?
This isn't an argument that's baseless; you're shoving me against the wall about a series I know in passing. That doesn't invalidate my claims - again, Moffat states himself that the show can handle a female Doctor - it simply means that I'm not in a position where I can make a 5-page essay explaining why the fuck I think it would create a phenomenal experience.
[quote]how on earth would it bring in personality and dynamics??? how would a female role be remotely unique in personality and dynamic compared to male counter part? new actors introduce that, not their sex or race.[/quote]
It's not just the gender - it's also how the actress would play the Doctor.
Every actor or actress has their own personal stamp on the Doctor. It's very clear that Tennant and Smith are very different from each other, for instance, even if the Doctor is a staple. They treated their companions relatively differently and had different relationships and inflections throughout the series.
Unless you don't believe in gender roles, certainly a woman would portray the Doctor differently from a man. There would be a different focus, inflection, and characteristics.
The assumption isn't that sex or race brings about a good change. It's that a [b]good[/b] and proper casting for sex/race can bring about an important change. But, only when the narrative is ready.
Unless you want to keep arguing the same baseless argument that I want to hamfist your precious Doctor Who.
[quote]its very weird changing the sex/race of a character would perk your interests[/quote]
Yeah, and it's very weird that you quoted a bunch of gigantic paragraphs about the specific narrative justification for Time Lord regeneration.
I like female characters and I like strong representations of women. What the fuck is wrong with that? People like Matt Smith and David Tennant based on his physical appearance - why can't I like a character with their gender or race as an introduction to my interest? I don't like it when they're hamfisted or destroy narratives, but I think it's important and I think well-written female characters are a Godsend. Moffat apparently thinks Doctor Who can support it too.
[quote]oh sure right, but a female would of been way cooler wouldn't it.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you trying to get me to say? Renounce Peter Capaldi and boycott Doctor Who until the end of time?
A female Doctor wouldn't inherently be a good Doctor either. Yeah, I wanted a female Doctor - but I could have very well been turned away from a her personality or acting style. Capaldi is probably going to be good as a male Doctor.
[editline]6th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Vasili;41728364]the real issue i have is they don't want a female because they'd be good for the roll, they just have an apologetic guilty nature about themselves.[/QUOTE]
You're making a massive assumption about others and this isn't necessarily fair nor accurate. Especially when you try to claim that "he was even pleaded by women to not change the sex of the doctor" means that [b]all[/b] female fans the same way.
I don't watch a lot of Doctor Who but a lot of my friends do. I would like to watch the series if it was a female lead, because I have an easier time identifying with female leads.
What's so hard about this?? I wanted a good strong female lead but it's not like I hopped on tumblr and wrote a 3 or 4 page post about how Doctor Who is sexist trash. That's clearly not the case.
so you admit you've only ever watched one episode of the show, but the actual sex of a character would motivate you to actually watch a show you're probably not even that interested in.
is this a joke or something
you're more concerned about ideology than actual story and the show itself
like really am i being rused or something, is this moffat testing the waters in disguise.
[QUOTE=Vasili;41728623]so you admit you've only ever watched one episode of the show, but the actual sex of a character would motivate you to actually watch a show you're probably not even that interested in.
is this a joke or something
you're more concerned about ideology than actual story and the show itself
like really am i being rused or something, is this moffat testing the waters in disguise.[/QUOTE]
I want to watch shows I identify with, is this so wrong?? All my favorite fictional characters are female; naturally I would have watched the show if there was a female lead I connected with. That doesn't mean I inherently only watch shows based on female leads, it just means that I prefer female characters over male ones.
Is it so wrong to have a personal opinion about what I want the Doctor's gender to be? I would never force anyone to switch the gender; it's just a mere discussion about characterization and role versatility within narrative.
Besides, why do you keep saying I went to put"ideology" into the show? I've made several posts upholding narrative over "ideology," I've repeatedly claimed that he's going to be a great Doctor, and I never once stated that Doctor Who is misogynistic. Why are you trying to paint me with that brush, when it's very clear that it was never an issue.
Also, congrats for reading my posts.
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And again, as I said over and over again, Capaldi is a great actor and he's going to bring a lot to the show. I might very well start watching the series again depending on how he plays the Doctor. [/quote]
So no, it's not just based on a female Doctor. I would watch the show if there was a good male lead too - Capaldi seems like one.
I don't know what you're trying to prove.
i would like to know why you can't identify with a male character, is his penis really that obstructive to his motives, goals and personality?
Besides, white people do this all the time with poc.
[url]http://www.psmag.com/culture-society/why-whites-avoid-movies-with-black-actors-30890/[/url]
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“White participants were more interested in seeing films with white actors than films with black actors,” he found. “This main effect was quite robust, occurring regardless of gender, age, previous movie viewing or the genre of the movie.
“Moreover, this effect was significant despite the very subtle race manipulation. The movie synopses, which were front and center on the page, were unaltered. The only manipulation was in the thumbnail pictures attached to the actors’ names.”[/quote]
The difference is my belief is just a preference based on my own personal experiences with male and female characters. The above is based on a social conception of racial superiority.
But apparently what I'm doing is much worse, right?
[quote]Is it so wrong to have a personal opinion about what I want the Doctor's gender to be?[/quote]
when you've based your entire argument on one episode then yeah, its like you didn't even try to connect to the show or the history in general.
personally i'm glad the show doesn't cater to attitudes like that
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