[QUOTE=Vasili;41728683]i would like to know why you can't identify with a male character, is his penis really that obstructive to his motives, goals and personality?[/QUOTE]
Because I'm a human being with my own unique personality and preferences. It has nothing to do with his sex.
Women are usually just much more interesting to read about for me. I connect with them more than men.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41728716]Because I'm a human being with my own unique personality and preferences. It has nothing to do with his sex.
Women are usually just much more interesting to read about for me. I connect with them more than men.[/QUOTE]
well its narrow minded thats what i'm saying
[QUOTE=Reimu;41728701]Besides, white people do this all the time with poc.
[url]http://www.psmag.com/culture-society/why-whites-avoid-movies-with-black-actors-30890/[/url]
The difference is my belief is just a preference based on my own personal experiences with male and female characters. The above is based on a social conception of racial superiority.
But apparently what I'm doing is much worse, right?[/QUOTE]
i can easily stretch that back at you and say a female or non white role would alienate previous users? but it doesn't, there is a significant female population that watches doctor who as well as many other nations, races and people. a lot of them quite like a male doctor and appear to identify with the characters in the show.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41728716]Because I'm a human being with my own unique personality and preferences.[B] It has nothing to do with his sex.
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Women are usually just much more interesting to read about for me. I connect with them more than men.[/QUOTE]
[quote]I want to watch shows I identify with, is this so wrong?? All my favorite fictional characters are female; naturally I would have watched the show[B] if there was a female lead [/B]I connected with.[/quote]
Clearly it does.
[QUOTE=Vasili;41728723]well its narrow minded thats what i'm saying[/quote]
Yes, I should force myself to connect to characters who I personally cannot attach myself to.
I'm not saying that I can't connect to men. I'm saying it's easier for me to connect to women than men. It's hardly narrow-minded, too, when there's a gigantic representation in Western media of hetero normative, hypermasculine males. As you pointed out yourself, there's a gigantic bias towards male protagonists:
[url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304422X10000239[/url]
[quote]Readers rated the texts on four evaluation items spanning both personal and intersubjective reactions to both the discourse and the story world. Two samples of readers were used: one in Canada and one in Germany. The results indicated that both men and women rated texts higher on the story-world items when they had a male protagonist, inconsistent with the gender-match prediction. There was no difference in this pattern between Canadian and German readers, suggesting that it is common across these cultures. We provide an alternative account based on the fundamental attribution error.[/quote]
If you're going to throw a fit about why I prefer women over men, then it's pointless when - as a whole - everyone else prefers men.
I'm a minority, why give a fuck about what I think?
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[QUOTE=Coffee;41728738]Clearly it does.[/QUOTE]
[quote] I would have watched the show if there was a female lead I [b]connected with.[/b][/quote]
You didn't bold the whole section.
I don't connect with Bella Swan and Anastasia Steele, thanks :v:. And I certainly would have not watched a female 12th if she was poorly written like those two.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41728779]Yes, I should force myself to connect to characters who I personally cannot attach myself to.
I'm not saying that I can't connect to men. I'm saying it's easier for me to connect to women than men. It's hardly narrow-minded, too, when there's a gigantic representation in Western media of hetero normative, hypermasculine males. As you pointed out yourself, there's a gigantic bias towards male protagonists:
[url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304422X10000239[/url]
If you're going to throw a fit about why I prefer women over men, then it's pointless when - as a whole - everyone else prefers men.
I'm a minority, why give a fuck about what I think?[/QUOTE]
why can't you identify yourself to him, why do you need to identify yourself to him specifically, why can you not connect to his equally as important companions? this is your own problem, not a problem of the show because lots of women and non whites watch this cultural icon all over the world.
i'd hardly call the doctor a masculine type either, he hates killing, he hates violence and he hates aggressive people
all we're saying is not watching a show because the lead isn't your own sex is very silly and narrow minded tbh
i don't have the figures of women who watch doctor who, but after seeing the outcry on tumblr and twitter with women upset/not upset i would consider the viewing population quite significant and not a minority.
[QUOTE=Vasili;41728848]why can't you identify yourself to him, why do you need to identify yourself to him specifically, why can you not connect to his equally as important companions?[/quote]
I like the companions but they don't hold the same weight as a lead role itself. I understand the show relies on both of them working together as one, but theoretically, if the support can be a woman - why is it a problem if the lead is too?
Besides, it's not like I [b]cannot[/b] identify with males at all. I just have an easier time identifying with women, and I like reading narratives where women play a key role as the primary protagonist. I think women are much more interesting to read about when they're well-written and properly developed characters; I don't see why I need to be judged and tried because I simply have this opinion.
[quote]this is your own problem, not a problem of the show because lots of women and non whites watch this cultural icon all over the world.[/quote]
That doesn't mean that these women or non-whites would mind seeing a proper, fluid, strongly written change of pace.
[quote]i'd hardly call the doctor a masculine type either, he hates killing, he hates violence and he hates aggressive people
all we're saying is not watching a show because the lead isn't your own sex is very silly and narrow minded tbh[/quote]
I never said I don't watch Doctor Who [i]because[/i] the lead is a male. I liked the episode I watched - it was the one with the Weeping Angels and DVD special features - and I think David Tennant is great. I just never made the time to continue watching the series after my friends showed it to me, because I rarely set aside time to watch new shows.
If there was a new female Doctor, I would be more motivated to make the time if she was a character I connected with. Good female characters interest me if I can form a strong personal connection to them.
I want to watch Doctor Who regardless, but it seems insanely time-consuming in order to do all the back log. A character I might connect strongly with + a new series seemed like a good opportunity to get into the series.
Again, I might do that with Capaldi since he seems interesting.
[quote]i don't have the figures of women who watch doctor who, but after seeing the outcry on tumblr and twitter with women upset/not upset i would consider the viewing population quite significant and not a minority.[/QUOTE]
So are the majority of viewers upset about the Doctor being male again? Or is one side tipped towards the other?
I was talking about media in general, anyway. Specifically within media, both genders seem to prefer men.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41728701]Besides, white people do this all the time with poc.
[url]http://www.psmag.com/culture-society/why-whites-avoid-movies-with-black-actors-30890/[/url]
The difference is my belief is just a preference based on my own personal experiences with male and female characters. The above is based on a social conception of racial superiority.
But apparently what I'm doing is much worse, right?[/QUOTE]
Considering a considerable amount of people placed bets on two or three black actors on becoming the next doctor I don't think that many people here would care
[QUOTE=Reimu;41728931]I like the companions but they don't hold the same weight as a lead role itself. I understand the show relies on both of them working together as one, but theoretically, if the support can be a woman - why is it a problem if the lead is too?[/quote]
there is none, its your reasoning as to why you want one. the sex is important for you when it should not be, its not relevant.
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That doesn't mean that these women or non-whites would mind seeing a proper, fluid, strongly written change of pace.
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doesn't mean they even have a problem with the current trend either, who fans are very open to change but it seems outside sources wish to dump their views on a show they have merely scratched the surface on.
[QUOTE=Reimu;41728931]
If there was a new female Doctor, I would be more motivated to make the time if she was a character I connected with. Good female characters interest me if I can form a strong personal connection to them.
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so can we finally establish that for you the sex of the doctor is important for you
I think we've both established that you can't simply hamfest a female character in there to support strong female protagonist roles. When you hamfist a character, you get neither a good show nor a strong a character.
Moffat and the writers will create a female Doctor when the time is ready.
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so can we finally establish that for you the sex of the doctor is important for you [/quote]
I have to connect to the character; sex and gender isn't enough alone. It means nothing to me if I can't get into the character. If I didn't like her, I still wouldn't make the time to watch Doctor Who.
Besides, I clearly stated above that I liked the episode I watched, and I liked Tennant - I just didn't feel like making the time to get into the series.
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omg come on one min you're saying the sex matters next it doesnt?!?!
make up your mind!!!! this is futile.
do you like to picture yourself as the doctor, is this the issue??
"I have to connect to this alien who has twice the amount of hearts and 75 times my age. Who is fictional."
Please, it's damned established fiction. Are you gonna piss on Tolkien for not making Frodo a girl next?
[QUOTE=Reimu;41728931]I like the companions but they don't hold the same weight as a lead role itself. I understand the show relies on both of them working together as one, but theoretically, if the support can be a woman - why is it a problem if the lead is too?
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No offense but companions hold a massive weight in the doctor who narrative often a greater one than the doctor himself.
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So are the majority of viewers upset about the Doctor being male again? Or is one side tipped towards the other?
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No the majority would be upset if they changed the gender of the doctor or even race to an extent. Right now the biggest thing the tumblr crowd is upset about, is the fact that the doctor is older again.
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