• Pope Francis calls current Capitalist system"new Tyranny" and urges rich to share wealth after revea
    97 replies, posted
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/26/pope-francis-capitalism-tyranny[/url] [QUOTE]Pope Francis has attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny", urging global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality in the first major work he has authored alone as pontiff. The 84-page document, known as an apostolic exhortation, amounted to an official platform for his papacy, building on views he has aired in sermons and remarks since he became the first non-European pontiff in 1,300 years in March. In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticising the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money" and beseeching politicians to guarantee all citizens "dignified work, education and healthcare". He also called on rich people to share their wealth. "Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills," Francis wrote in the document issued on Tuesday. "How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?"[/QUOTE] Greed is a Sin? Economic injustice and corruption is bad?
Some people are pulling in over 12 million a year while their employees are making under 40k. Walmart is a classic example of this. Being able to retire at 60 used to be a common thing, now the lower class is expected to work until they're 80.
of course you should make a ton being a CEO or something, and I'm all for rich people, but right now it's ridiculous. How people can accumulate that much money is beyond me.
[quote]"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?"[/quote] a very good point that shows how fucked priorities are around here.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43000186]a very good point that shows how fucked priorities are around here.[/QUOTE] Its not even a good indicator of a healthy economy.
The exhortation can be found [url]http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.pdf[/url] Idk what the guardian means by saying its 84 pages, a lot of the stuff on the poor can be found around pg 149 pg 159 for stuff explicitly about distribution
More people should join this: [url]http://givingpledge.org/[/url]
Good on him. This is exactly the way it always should have been.
Clearly he's the antichrist!
Sobotnik bait right here
the Vatican should start first since it's the richest institution in the world. It seems a bit hypocritical to denounce greedy capitalists while you're sitting on a pile of gold. sure, he says something about changing the state of his own church, but I'm not praising him until something [I]actually[/I] happens.
This guy is what the Vatican needed, and perhaps, the kind of person the world needs right now. I'm a really non-theistic person. I don't practice religion at all, really, but... Pope Francis is absolutely awesome. I'm literally for the first time in my life, impressed with something the Vatican has done. That should be saying something about how much people like him, and moreover that even non-theists like him simply because he has good moral values.
Whilst I'm not into the whole 7 deadly sins thing, BatPope has a good fucking point. The massive rich-poor gap in the world is a damn killer, as is the treatment of money as power. Does money enable to punch someone's torso clean out? Nope, inhuman strength does that. Does money help us think of how to solve a tricky puzzle? Nope; knowledge and wisdom do that. Does money allow us to levitate objects with sheer effort of will? Nope; a brain capable of manipulating the underpinning forces of reality would let us do that, in theory. Money's a medium of exchange, a way to simplify the complex intricacies of exchanging goods and services, but it's grown too far above it's station because the other forms of power have been usurped or have fallen out of favour, leaving money as the dominant form of power. The power of body fell out of favour as we grew to become more patient and restrained (might = right isn't exactly the kindest way to rule), the power of mind eventually crawled to prominence through placing science above blind faith but still struggles against those who have more money than sense, and the power of spirit doesn't even exist in this reality so we can't use things like psionics or sorcery. Ideally the governing of our world should be purely a matter of mind, rather than throwing about your weight or fostering faith or flaunting wealth or shooting lasers out of your eyes. But since we have no power of spirit to balance out mind and body, we have to make do with filthy lucre to govern our lives, whereas if we could manipulate our qi or mana or whatever we call it, we probably wouldn't need to depend too much on money for us to live; sure we'd need to pay the farmers for food, but manipulating inner energy to warm/cool us at our whim we probably wouldn't need to pay for central heating or AC. Yeah we'd still need to pay the water company for clean safe drinking water, but with the ability to channel our qi into an object to charge it's internal battery, who need the power company? There's no way we'll ever attain the ability to manipulate the raw fabric of reality through thoughtforms, but if we did money wouldn't be as powerful of useful as sorcery, which would be one of the best things ever since we wouldn't need to depend on opportunists who may be inclined to exert their influence and control over you in exchange for the things they can provide but you can't. It might sound a bit Ayn Rancid with the stink of objectivist fantasy, but if you have more power that comes from within, rather from without, one wouldn't be as dependant on people who might not be all that trustworthy since you'd be more capable of taking care of yourself. There'd still be dependence on others for some things even if you could manifest the raw forces of nature, since a jack of all trades is master of none, but you'd still possess more personal freedoms because of your own power cultivated from within, something that in theory no-one could take from you without taking your life. But back to concerning BatPope, I'm not one to seek dependence on someone or something, but BatPope is pretty much the only holy man I'd ever consider placing my faith in. I just hope he doesn't become the Obama of Popes.
So, how long before the Republicans start calling him an "anti-American socialist liberal"?
[QUOTE=slayer64;43001035]So, how long before the Republicans start calling him an "anti-American socialist liberal"?[/QUOTE] And then, Santorum's head explodes
Holy shit Wait Did this guy just advocate, to an extent, economic socialism? I never thought I'd see the day.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43001046]And then, Santorum's head explodes[/QUOTE] Because of a psyker. And there was much rejoicing. *sigh* If only...
[QUOTE=KlaseR;43000648]the Vatican should start first since it's the richest institution in the world. It seems a bit hypocritical to denounce greedy capitalists while you're sitting on a pile of gold. sure, he says something about changing the state of his own church, but I'm not praising him until something [I]actually[/I] happens.[/QUOTE] He's trying to reform that but it'll take a little work to fix the Vatican
[QUOTE=KlaseR;43000648]the Vatican should start first since it's the richest institution in the world. It seems a bit hypocritical to denounce greedy capitalists while you're sitting on a pile of gold. sure, he says something about changing the state of his own church, but I'm not praising him until something [I]actually[/I] happens.[/QUOTE] He's not sitting on gold anymore, he actually got rid of the gold throne he had. :v:
Based Pope Francis just keeps surprising me.
New pope is best pope. Not old pope.
Isn't the majority of the Vaticans wealth priceless artifacts and the like? Be kind of hard to redistribute some paintings.
I think the Vatican picked this guy to renew the image of Catholicism. I don't think they care about anything other than getting more people to join the church and give their money every week. That said I think they are kicking themselves because this guy is just so damn righteous, although until he decides to auction off some of the Vatican's holdings and personally oversee the money, I still don't think they care much.
This guy is like something out of a Hollywood movie or fairy tale, the apparent depths of his compassion just appear to be unreal.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Y33CL7u.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;43001994][img]http://i.imgur.com/Y33CL7u.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] This is pretty much Pope Francis compared to Benedict in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;43001524]He's not sitting on gold anymore, he actually got rid of the gold throne he had. :v:[/QUOTE] Blimey, that's definitely humble.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;43000534]Sobotnik bait right here[/QUOTE] there's a difference between attacking problems in the world caused by poor economic policies and advocating a destruction of the current economic system i agree with giving poor people enough to live on, not to shoot the capitalists
Its good that the pope has this attitude but when 90% of catholic clergy still live in golden palaces it doesn't really matter.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43002140] i agree with giving poor people enough to live on, not to shoot the capitalists[/QUOTE] Its a good thing that he didn't say that.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.