Obama administration struggles to illustrate pain from sequester - Polidicks

SHIT HE BEAT ME ON A FACT THE WORLD IS ENDING SNIP

[QUOTE=SKEEA;39822554]Well, when an idealistic world happens, let me know. Until then, I will continue to serve the people of my country proudly.[/QUOTE] No mate, violence is in terminal decline. Warfare is dying along with your career lol. [url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Better-Angels-Our-Nature/dp/0141034645[/url] [quote]Wages are not under threat, rather they just decreased the cost of living adjustment by a little bit this year. Also, incentive pays, such as language, flight, and other pays are probably going away. Veteran's benefits and tuition assistance are also looking like they are getting a cut. It makes things hard for service members to do support families. Keep in mind that our pay is not really great at all.[/quote] Can't you say you have a slight bias when you say that "these cuts are bad" when they affect yourself? Even though this is probably for the better in the long run?

[QUOTE=SKEEA;39822596]Could we have conducted the Gulf War without boots on the ground? How about OIF? The answer is no, you can't do everything with a few high altitude bombing runs.[/QUOTE] Well I mean, you can kill thousands of civilians by accident with massive amounts of expensive bombing runs, but, apparently that's a bad thing or something.

[QUOTE=KingdomBanned;39822591]Well first of all, we are currently becoming more peaceful as time goes on, there have been a lot less wars since around the end of the Cold War. Also please don't serve us please[/QUOTE] Well, until I am not needed, I will continue doing my duty. Also, I serve the people of the United States, I am prepared to give my life in their defense. I have a long time left of service before I am going to retire, by time or otherwise.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;39822596]Could we have conducted the Gulf War without boots on the ground? How about OIF? The answer is no, you can't do everything with a few high altitude bombing runs.[/QUOTE] What if you can do it through a legal system?

[QUOTE=KingdomBanned;39822613]Was the Gulf War ever required? To get rid of "weapons of mass destruction" which the government even admitted to lying about?[/QUOTE] You are confused. The Gulf War was in the 90's, and had nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;39822630]Well, until I am not needed, I will continue doing my duty. Also, I serve the people of the United States, I am prepared to give my life in their defense. I have a long time left of service before I am going to retire, by time or otherwise.[/QUOTE] This sounds patriotic and I am in my armchair all nice and warm, but your views sound odd. Do you actually help those people? Are there better ways to help them?

[QUOTE=SKEEA;39822630]Well, until I am not needed, I will continue doing my duty. Also, I serve the people of the United States, I am prepared to give my life in their defense. I have a long time left of service before I am going to retire, by time or otherwise.[/QUOTE] Proudly defending America from the enemies that intend to do it harm including ____ and ____. -General Fluttershy beat me to it snip-

[QUOTE=KingdomBanned;39822591]Also please don't serve us please[/QUOTE] What a lovely thing to say. Would you like to take his place?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39822614]No mate, violence is in terminal decline. Warfare is dying along with your career lol. [B]Like I said, until it stops completely, I will continue to serve till retirement. After that, I will definitely be working in the civilian aviation sector.[/B] Can't you say you have a slight bias when you say that "these cuts are bad" when they affect yourself? Even though this is probably for the better in the long run? [B]They are bad when I am getting paid very little, and put up with much more bullshit than a comfy congressman that makes around $174,000 a year. Other servicemembers with families are really feeling the pinch as well, it is a delicate balancing act for them.[/B] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=rilez;39822692]What a lovely thing to say. Would you like to take his place?[/QUOTE] Or we could have no one take his place and like cut down on the military

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39822656]This sounds patriotic and I am in my armchair all nice and warm, but your views sound odd. Do you actually help those people? Are there better ways to help them?[/QUOTE] I do. I also volunteer in the local community, and do my best to help out wherever needs it. I really like the general public, and I would do anything to help them that is within my means.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39822656]This sounds patriotic and I am in my armchair all nice and warm, but your views sound odd. Do you actually help those people? Are there better ways to help them?[/QUOTE] Overseas: Actually yes the soldiers often do a lot to help the people. They often give them supplies, help with things like building wells and fixing roads and such, medical treatment and all that jazz.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;39822699]Like I said, until it stops completely, I will continue to serve till retirement. After that, I will definitely be working in the civilian aviation sector.[/QUOTE] Why not work there? [quote]They are bad when I am getting paid very little, and put up with much more bullshit than a comfy congressman that makes around $174,000 a year. Other servicemembers with families are really feeling the pinch as well, it is a delicate balancing act for them.[/quote] That's the problems you get when the military is bigger than it should be. [editline]6th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=draugur;39822731]Overseas: Actually yes the soldiers often do a lot to help the people. They often give them supplies, help with things like building wells and fixing roads and such, medical treatment and all that jazz.[/QUOTE] So why can't charities or aid organizations do this? [editline]6th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SKEEA;39822730]I do. I also volunteer in the local community, and do my best to help out wherever needs it. I really like the general public, and I would do anything to help them that is within my means.[/QUOTE] I'm asking how your military service in particular helps.

[QUOTE=KingdomBanned;39822704]Or we could have no one take his place and like cut down on the military[/QUOTE] Great plan, too bad that the countries that could possibly have motive to actually attack us would find us dismantling our military a cowardly act and then attack. Not to mention the countries like South Korea that sort of have a massive U.S. presence on the DMZ, removing that would be a massive help to North Korea if they wanted to attack as well, which is a complete possibility judging by recent events.

[QUOTE=KingdomBanned;39822704]Or we could have no one take his place and like cut down on the military[/QUOTE] Because that's something you honestly expect to happen in the 21st century? Come back down to reality please, and realize there are a thousand other things that could be cut from the military that don't affect service members; they're [B]people[/B] who don't deserve to get fucked around by our politicians.

[QUOTE=draugur;39822778]Great plan, too bad that the countries that could possibly have motive to actually attack us would find us dismantling our military a cowardly act and then attack. Not to mention the countries like South Korea that sort of have a massive U.S. presence on the DMZ, removing that would be a massive help to North Korea if they wanted to attack as well, which is a complete possibility judging by recent events.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly think somebody is going to invade the USA in this day and age? That's insane.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39822743] So why can't charities or aid organizations do this?[/QUOTE] You'd be hard pressed to find organizations that are willing to and have the funding to go to regions of remote Afghanistan that most people don't even know exist and help these people. There's a perfectly good reason why a good many of these people didn't know anything outside of what the Taliban had told them for news up until our military arrived.

[QUOTE=rilez;39822780]Because that's something you honestly expect to happen in the 21st century? Come back down to reality please, and realize there are a thousand other things that could be cut from the military that don't affect service members; they're [B]people[/B] who don't deserve to get fucked around by our politicians.[/QUOTE] The politicians fucked up in the first place by putting more emphasis on the military than needed.

[QUOTE=rilez;39822780]Because that's something you honestly expect to happen in the 21st century? [/QUOTE] Yeah, this is one of the only centurys when we COULD focus on peace instead of war. Why don't we take advantage of easy communication? [QUOTE]Come back down to reality please, and realize there are a thousand other things that could be cut from the military that don't affect service members; they're people who don't deserve to get fucked around by our politicians.[/QUOTE] Like what?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39822743]Why not work there? [B]Like I said, I am going to. Also, the start up costs are immense for doing so, easily 8-10 grand for tools, and even more to get the training to begin with.[/B] That's the problems you get when the military is bigger than it should be. [B]No, military pay pretty much has ALWAYS been like that.[/B] [editline]6th March 2013[/editline] So why can't charities or aid organizations do this? [B]For the simple reason that we have (or had) a lot more funding than they do, and the means to do it on a much wider scale. Interest in helping these people is also an issue. Also, we carry weapons to defend ourselves and those around us, and have support to back it up in case bad things happen.[/B] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39822800]Do you honestly think somebody is going to invade the USA in this day and age? That's insane.[/QUOTE] I don't personally think it will happen, especially considering how many guns our civilians have, but my latter points, about other countries that we are present in have a more real point on the threat.

[QUOTE=draugur;39822807]You'd be hard pressed to find organizations that are willing to and have the funding to go to regions of remote Afghanistan that most people don't even know exist and help these people. There's a perfectly good reason why a good many of these people didn't know anything outside of what the Taliban had told them for news up until our military arrived.[/QUOTE] So how exactly is the military better at delivering aid or doing humanitarian missions? Warfare is just an extension of politics.

[QUOTE=rilez;39822692]What a lovely thing to say. Would you like to take his place?[/QUOTE] ...if he's against the military, why should he support the people who willingly sign up for it?

[QUOTE=KingdomBanned;39822817]Yeah, this is one of the only centurys when we COULD focus on peace instead of war. Why don't we take advantage of easy communication? Like what?[/QUOTE] Stupid projects like the f-35 which have been nothing but a waste of money and a complete shit stack.

[QUOTE=draugur;39822848]Stupid projects like the f-35 which have been nothing but a waste of money and a complete shit stack.[/QUOTE] Oh god the F-35. What a complete waste of time and money. It needs to die.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39822834]So how exactly is the military better at delivering aid or doing humanitarian missions? Warfare is just an extension of politics.[/QUOTE] Because a government funded aid organization that carries weapons to defend them selves and the local population is essentially what our military is right now anyway. We're not fighting another government, we're fighting a bunch of "freedom fighters" whom utilize terrorism, extortion and violence to gain power for an (extremist) religious and political agenda. People whom kidnap children and force them to become suicide bombers and warriors against their wills. There's a reason that many villages are so eager to have American aid and form their own militias with our backing.

[QUOTE=KingdomBanned;39822817]Like what?[/QUOTE] Procurement, R&D

[QUOTE=draugur;39822883]we're fighting a bunch of "freedom fighters" whom utilize terrorism, extortion and violence to gain power for an (extremist) religious and political agenda.[/QUOTE] Why? It's in the middle east, why should we care what terrorist groups rise to power over there

Maybe the local residents kindly want the US to piss off and go away. If the Americans lost the revolution, we'd probably be calling them extremist terrorists too