Duterte compares himself to Hitler, wants to 'slaughter 3 million drug addicts' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Monkah;51130722]He isn't explicitly banning them by religion. June 13th June 25th The idea of an actual ban by religion is just the result of Trump being awful at communication. The idea from pretty much as early as it was announced was to ban by religion. He's also made this clear by stating that he was fine with Scotland and U.K. Muslims entering the country. Look, I know you guys are [I]reaaaallly[/I] trying to scare off the Trump supporters on the site, but you're going to have to be ever-so slightly more witty than comparing them to Hitler supporters (and thus, literal Nazis).[/QUOTE] And yet when asked whether he was rolling back on his December proposal with those statements he said "I don't think so. I actually don't think it's a rollback. In fact, you could say it's an expansion. I'm looking now at territory. People were so upset when I used the word 'Muslim': 'Oh, you can't use the word "Muslim."' Remember this. And I'm okay with that, because I'm talking territory instead of Muslim." So does this mean that on top of the Muslim ban, he wants to ban ALL immigration from countries he deems unfit? Or did he flip flop on his opinion? In any case, you can see he is still not against a blanket ban on Muslims, which again, is unconstitutional.

This guy wants to ally with Russia that had lost nearly 10 million people to Hitler? And with China, which already hates his guts from start, who had suffered even worse under Japanese?

[QUOTE=archangel125;51130734][URL="http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says-hed-absolutely-require-muslims-to-register/"]New York Times[/URL] [/QUOTE] So we're going from mass genocidal extermination to making them second-class citizens, to discriminating against them based on religion, to collecting a database. So wait, you managed to go from claiming mass genocidal extermination to claiming second-class citizenship, and then from second-class citizenship to religious discrimination, and from religious discrimination to... a database. Of information that I'm fairly certain we already have. An idea that he offhandedly agreed to being open towards back in 2015, and then never mentioned again. (at least, as far as Google seems to tell). But even then, you're [B][I]still[/I][/B] sensationalizing things. [QUOTE]On ABC News’ This Week, host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump, "You did stir up a controversy with those comments over the database. Let's try to clear that up. Are you unequivocally now ruling out a database on all Muslims?" "No, not at all," Trump responded. "I want a database for the refugees that -- if they come into the country. We have no idea who these people are. When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we don't know if they're ISIS, we don't know if it's a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watchlists. We want to go with databases. And we have no choice." Trump’s exchange with Stephanopoulos seems to be the clearest explanation of his position. No, he would not rule out a database on all Muslims. But for now, he wants a database for refugees.[/QUOTE] So now you've gone from claiming Trump is going to gas the Muslims, to claiming that Trump is going to make Muslims second-class citizens, to claiming that Trump is going to discriminate against Muslim immigrants, to claiming that Muslims are going to be put on a list. All of the above entirely unfounded and blatantly incorrect. What's next on your list of sensationalist garbage? This is actually kind of getting fun. Seriously-- there are actually a good number of valid arguments against Trump, and yet you keep going for these batshit insane hail-marys that anyone can prove wrong with as much as an internet connection and an ounce of common sense.

What I'm getting out of this thread is "Donald Trump is only popular because idiots are easily led by fear, unlike intellectuals like myself, who reject Trump on intellectual, objective fact-based grounds such as the fact that he will trigger nuclear holocaust and call for the mass slaughter of blacks and gays and Muslims."

[QUOTE=Monkah;51130764]So we're going from mass genocidal extermination to making them second-class citizens, to discriminating against them based on religion, to collecting a database. So wait, you managed to go from claiming mass genocidal extermination to claiming second-class citizenship, and then from second-class citizenship to religious discrimination, and from religious discrimination to... a database. Of information that I'm fairly certain we already have. An idea that he offhandedly agreed to being open towards back in 2015, and then never mentioned again. (at least, as far as Google seems to tell). But even then, you're [B][I]still[/I][/B] sensationalizing things. So now you've gone from claiming Trump is going to gas the Muslims, to claiming that Trump is going to make Muslims second-class citizens, to claiming that Trump is going to discriminate against Muslim immigrants, to claiming that Muslims are going to be put on a list. All of the above entirely unfounded and blatantly incorrect. What's next?[/QUOTE] Okay, let's hear it, genius. When exactly did [I]I[/I] claim mass genocidal extermination? Find the post, I challenge you. As for this tracking of Muslims, it falls in with the second class citizen thing. Are you really so devoid of conscious thought that you can't see the connection? Or are you really that blinded by your worship of the man? Never mind that Trump changes his story every couple of hours on average. It's nearly two AM, and I've got better things to do. You know what they say about arguing on the net and the special olympics.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51130764]So we're going from mass genocidal extermination to making them second-class citizens, to discriminating against them based on religion, to collecting a database. So wait, you managed to go from claiming mass genocidal extermination to claiming second-class citizenship, and then from second-class citizenship to religious discrimination, and from religious discrimination to... a database. Of information that I'm fairly certain we already have. An idea that he offhandedly agreed to being open towards back in 2015, and then never mentioned again. (at least, as far as Google seems to tell). But even then, you're [B][I]still[/I][/B] sensationalizing things. So now you've gone from claiming Trump is going to gas the Muslims, to claiming that Trump is going to make Muslims second-class citizens, to claiming that Trump is going to discriminate against Muslim immigrants, to claiming that Muslims are going to be put on a list. All of the above entirely unfounded and blatantly incorrect. What's next on your list of sensationalist garbage? This is actually kind of getting fun. Seriously-- there are actually a good number of valid arguments against Trump, and yet you keep going for these batshit insane hail-marys that anyone can prove wrong with as much as an internet connection and an ounce of common sense.[/QUOTE] Hold on Monkah I think you dropped a few words while you were stuffing them into archangel125's mouth

[QUOTE=archangel125;51130768]Okay, let's hear it, genius. When exactly did [I]I[/I] claim mass genocidal extermination? Find the post, I challenge you. As for this tracking of Muslims, it falls in with the second class citizen thing. Are you really so devoid of conscious thought that you can't see the connection? Or are you really that blinded by your worship of the man? Never mind that Trump changes his story every couple of hours on average.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=archangel125;51130480][QUOTE=Sally;51130469]My country isn't going down the path of genocide.[/QUOTE] Trump doesn't have the balls to try anything that bold [B]in the beginning.[/B] But it's not much of a stretch from the things he does want to do. He's already encouraged vigilante justice at his rallies several times, as I recall. And his social policies are apartheid, especially with the DoFA act.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=archangel125;51130521][QUOTE=Luni;51130517]ah yes, the old refuge: "it can't happen here" you are forgetting how slow the process was, how gentle [B]the slope from veiled distrust to systematic slaughter [/B] [B]the german people didnt wake up one day in 1940 and decide to exterminate european jewry;[/B] it took a decade to go from historic distrust (remember the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth"]stab-in-the-back legend[/URL], where the jews were blamed for germany's surrender, and many germans believed they had been winning ww1), to refusing to serve jews in shops, to the race laws and seizing jewish businesses and properties, to gradually forcing the jews into ghettos, [B]to sending them to the camps[/B] the seeds of birkenau and auschwitz were planted in shop window signs in 1934, saying "jews not welcome here"[/QUOTE][B]Exactly this.[/B][/QUOTE] half of this thread is about hitler and his genocide, what are you talking about. you even started the connection by comparing trump and duterte in a thread about the guy committing genocide and no, he's not 'tracking muslims', he's tracking refugees from middle-eastern warzones filled to the brim with radicalism. that's entirely fair.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51130778]half of this thread is about hitler and his genocide, what are you talking about and no, he's not 'tracking muslims', he's tracking refugees from middle-eastern warzones filled to the brim with radicalism. that's entirely fair.[/QUOTE] Two words. "Slippery Slope". Since you so meticulously searched my posts to try and justify your strawman, you must also have seen me use that phrase several times. Look it up, you'll find it educational.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51130722]I refuse to believe that so many people actually believe that any of the above is a possibility in what's most likely the most accepting and pacifistic nations in one of the most accepting and pacifistic time periods in human history.[/QUOTE] i don't think trump's making death camps but [quote]in what's most likely the most accepting and pacifistic nation[/quote] and you call other people delusional?

Can we all go back to THE FUCKING TOPIC ON DUTERTE. WHY AREN'T THE MODS DOING ANYTHING

Don't bother. I'm done.

[QUOTE]in what's most likely the most accepting and pacifistic nations[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51130792]i don't think trump's making death camps but and you call other people delusional?[/QUOTE]One of them, definitely. There's no other country in the world with such a variety of cultures, races, ethnicities, and etcetera. If you really think that the United States places low on the list when we've got so much of Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and even some places in South America in which people such as homosexuals are not just discriminated against, but murdered-- yeah. We're not the bloody Philippines, either. [QUOTE=archangel125;51130787]Two words. "Slippery Slope". Since you so meticulously searched my posts to try and justify your strawman, you must also have seen me use that phrase several times. Look it up, you'll find it educational.[/QUOTE] I did! Second search result, as quoted from yourlogicalfallacyis.com: [QUOTE][B]slippery slope[/B] You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen. The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture. Example: Colin Closet asserts that if we allow same-sex couples to marry, then the next thing we know we'll be allowing people to marry their parents, their cars and even monkeys.[/QUOTE] [B]To help rerail this thread[/B] and conclude on the topic that took up about three pages to end-- there's no chance of this ever happened in first world countries. The reason these events are happening in the Philippines are similar to the reason they happened in Germany, a very excessive desire for immediate change regardless of consequences, and a person that can promise them. The Philippines have a lot of problems that first world countries don't, and in countries like these, it's not uncommon for dictators to plant their roots, oftentimes emplacing authoritarian and brutal policies to not only solve the fears of their citizens, but also to prove as to how much power and ability said dictator has, as well as scare those that would otherwise possibly be brave enough to speak up. That being said, I hope other countries intervene before the death toll skyrockets. This can't end well.

We're continuing this in PMs.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51130806]One of them, definitely. There's no other country in the world with such a variety of cultures, races, ethnicities, and etcetera[/QUOTE] have you ever traveled outside of the US

[QUOTE=archangel125;51130463]Duterte's a reactionary demagogue cut from the same cloth as Donald Trump. Take a good look, and you'll get a glimpse of the future that awaits America if he is elected.[/QUOTE] Lol there are checks and balances, don't be so melodramatic.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51130701]"hundreds of years ago." How about the Guatemalan civil war and genocide of the 80s? What about the indonesian killings of the 60s? Two recent, US approved and assisted genocides to stop THEM SCARY COMMIES. You don't have to do it directly.[/QUOTE] Vietnam in the 60s/70s :v:

and this guy apparently has a 90% approval rating

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51130567]Those same factors are not present with Trump and they are not present with Duterte.[/QUOTE] lol duterte jumped the gun with the "LETS KILL EVERYONE" idea trump's already setting up these factors by being in the general elections alone

[QUOTE=Monkah;51130778]half of this thread is about hitler and his genocide, what are you talking about. you even started the connection by comparing trump and duterte in a thread about the guy committing genocide and no, he's not 'tracking muslims', he's tracking refugees from middle-eastern warzones filled to the brim with radicalism. that's entirely fair.[/QUOTE] You're just not seeing it. He's literally talking about the slow path that comes before these things. He's not saying it's coming. He's noting that this is how it happens historically. The Philippines seems to be starting a long a very dark path [editline]30th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Monkah;51130806]One of them, definitely. There's no other country in the world with such a variety of cultures, races, ethnicities, and etcetera.[/QUOTE] Also this is just silly

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51130595]1920's-40's Germany and 2010's Phillipines arent exactly the same as 2010's America. The whole argument is stupid.[/QUOTE] so u wanna forget history and let it repeat itself? [editline]30th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;51130663]Last i checked the United States wasnt crippled as a result of a world war recently.[/QUOTE] well it's definitely not not crippled [editline]30th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Monkah;51130697]but there's even fairly recent legal precedent from barring certain countries/regions from entering the country.[/QUOTE] yeah except religion is fucking different from nationality and even banning entry to a country based on citizenship is dubious af [editline]30th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sally;51130702]Ok, out of those 3, only one has a clear nation state.[/QUOTE] except he's talking about mexicans not mexico

"the US will NEVER be able to become worse because its the US, it literally cant happen no matter what" Yeah, sure, and nobody expected Brexit to win, not even the leaders of Brexit 2016 should teach that anything can happen

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51131392]"the US will NEVER be able to become worse because its the US, it literally cant happen no matter what" Yeah, sure, and nobody expected Brexit to win, not even the leaders of Brexit 2016 should teach that anything can happen[/QUOTE] like article 50 trump would never get sworn in lol

I will remind those who say the US can somehow never become a dictatorship or a repressive society should remember the Patriot Act, McCartyism, the Japense internment camps, the way Nixon supported fairly corrupt 'allies' because they were anti-Communism... All it takes is one spark, one push, one excuse... and freedom can be cast away in the name of 'security', and American patriotic values can be twisted into hate.

[QUOTE=Paramud;51130485]That's exactly the kind of thinking that gets these people elected.[/QUOTE] "Trump is going to start a genocide!" "Really?" "No, but are we gonna wait around until he does?"

"Drug addict genocide best day of my life!"

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51130481]Killing drug addicts isn't genocide unless all drug addicts over there are of a specific race, but never mind that. Trump wants to deport muslims, supports war crimes on the families of terrorists, says Mexicans are rapists, and wants to remove LGBT protections. If you squint hard enough, you can see genocide waiting in that future. [editline]29th September 2016[/editline] Trump said he could kill someone in the street and nobody would stop him.[/QUOTE] Good job now find where that went from an analogy to a literal statement of intent

Someone needs to tell Duterte that Hitler was a drug addict. [editline]30th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51130987]You're just not seeing it. He's literally talking about the slow path that comes before these things. He's not saying it's coming. He's noting that this is how it happens historically. [/QUOTE] And this is the exactly the point that people try to make about religious radicalisation, but yet you can accept it with Trump but not Muslims?

[QUOTE=archangel125;51130804]Don't bother. I'm done.[/QUOTE] Thank fucking god

i dont know about you guys but duterte does not alienate muslim/mexican/LGBT people and he's not really comparable to trump beyond the fact that they're both populists. he does say a lot of shit that's unbecoming of a president but i for one don't feel like i'm living in nazi germany lel [editline] abc [/editline] what he said this time really is retarded though damn

[QUOTE=Rainboo;51131622]i dont know about you guys but duterte does not alienate muslim/mexican/LGBT people and he's not really comparable to trump beyond the fact that they're both populists. he does say a lot of shit that's unbecoming of a president but i for one don't feel like i'm living in nazi germany lel [editline] abc [/editline] what he said this time really is retarded though damn[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone was accusing Duterte of threatening or alienating LGBT/muslims/etc. His message isn't [I]identical[/I] to Trump's, but it's the same kind of populism. Basically, Duterte's "I will kill all the drug dealers and other undesirables" message is a scary wake-up call to everyone who fears a populist Trump Presidency. That Duterte compared himself to Hitler, which is a cultural code word for "the most horrible thing ever, literally Satan" in North America, just fuels the anxiety. Trump isn't vowing to kill American citizens, but he has promised to deport a fairly large section of the population that racist white Americans have a problem with. It may be off-topic to talk about Trump and if he would or would not set up internment camps for minorities in a thread about a dumb thing Duterte said, but there is a lesson that's easy to forget, and Duterte is a reminder -- saying it can't happen here is an invitation for it to happen here.