Duterte compares himself to Hitler, wants to 'slaughter 3 million drug addicts' - Polidicks

Watch as this happens, and no one does a thing about it, including the UN who will just write tons of angry letters.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51132113]Watch as this happens, and no one does a thing about it, including the UN who will just write tons of angry letters.[/QUOTE] Just wait until he tries to forcefully remove US military outposts. Nation-building regime change in minutes if he actually pokes at the US too much. The Filipino people love the US and consistently give it high approval ratings - if Duterte is as much of a psychotic child as he seems, he'll easily get boned by the UN/US/etc

We don't have any military outposts in the Philippines anymore though? They were removed in the late 80's.

[QUOTE=Luni;51130606]the entire point im trying to make is that [b][i]it did not start as "we will make death camps"[/i][/b] it started as "the jews are cowards who made us surrender," then it was "the jews are impure and we need to preserve the german race by not mixing with them" (the 20s and 30s were the heyday of eugenics, remember) then it was "the jews are trying to tear down the new archchancellor just as we've started to recover from the depression" then it was "the jews are parasites, we need food more than they do" and then there was the secret wannsee conference in 1940, where hitler and 14 (i think?) top officials laid out the plans for the death camps. and at that point, most germans were capable of ignoring the camps, pretending they didn't exist, because at that point germany was a police state and asking about where all the jews went would bring the gestapo knocking [b]hitler was not elected on the promise to build death camps for the jews -- and in 1935, [i]no one saw them coming[/i][/b][/QUOTE] Trump is categorically not hitler, this boils down to a pathological fear of anything resembling self interest or nationalism in the west, despite even Hitler's enemies and the liberal democracies in the past in general fitting the 'hitler' bill. Trump does not reject liberalism, he's not proposing a third way between capitalism and socialism, he's not proposing purification of the race or rebirth of the nation in either dictatorship or war. Trump is nowhere near far right, he's a nationalist acceptably within the limits of liberalism and democracy. He's no more a fascist than Churchill or de Gaulle. He represents past decades and generations that are alien to our new brand of politics and have been condemned as such as on the wrong side of history, which means with a strong overlap condemning significant segments of america society such as the native working class and the rust belts, all those who hold classical liberal values (particularly negative liberty), and with the most bitter irony regarding these accusations of fascism, a culture that upholds the greatest generation. A vote for him is a vote for all the soldiers who fought and died and the laborers who toiled building a country, a 'problematic' culture, only for it to be reaped by those who never sowed.

[QUOTE=Conscript;51132668]Trump is categorically not hitler, this boils down to a pathological fear of anything resembling self interest or nationalism in the west, despite even Hitler's enemies and the liberal democracies in the past in general fitting the 'hitler' bill. Trump does not reject liberalism, he's not proposing a third way between capitalism and socialism, he's not proposing purification of the race or rebirth of the nation in either dictatorship or war. Trump is nowhere near far right, he's a nationalist acceptably within the limits of liberalism and democracy. He's no more a fascist than Churchill or de Gaulle. He represents past decades and generations that are alien to our new brand of politics and have been condemned as such as on the wrong side of history, which means with a strong overlap condemning significant segments of america society such as the native working class and the rust belts, all those who hold classical liberal values (particularly negative liberty), and with the most bitter irony regarding these accusations of fascism, a culture that upholds the greatest generation. A vote for him is a vote for all the soldiers who fought and died and the laborers who toiled building a country, a 'problematic' culture, only for it to be reaped by those who never sowed.[/QUOTE] Conscript is like the Bermuda triangle of political compasses.

[QUOTE=Luni;51130517]ah yes, the old refuge: "it can't happen here" you are forgetting how slow the process was, how gentle the slope from veiled distrust to systematic slaughter the german people didnt wake up one day in 1940 and decide to exterminate european jewry; it took a decade to go from historic distrust (remember the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth]stab-in-the-back legend[/url], where the jews were blamed for germany's surrender, and many germans believed they had been winning ww1), to refusing to serve jews in shops, to the race laws and seizing jewish businesses and properties, to gradually forcing the jews into ghettos, to sending them to the camps the seeds of birkenau and auschwitz were planted in shop window signs in 1934, saying "jews not welcome here"[/QUOTE] Excepted that it's the modern time. We've understood the lessons. We know that hitler rose trought power by peaceful and legal method. NOBODY want to repeat that. It's been 100 year. We still have a shitton documentary about every hitler moves and action. There is the internet. People are more educated than ever. We're safer than ever. You can learn everything with a simple search on google. People aren't as dumb as the one from 1930. Hitler openly told his intentions in his book Mein Kampf and nobody prevented it, or mades the german population notice it because the german population was very against jew in the past? Is it still the case? No. so yeah, you can tell us it was slow, but this is no more, we just know too much of how it happened and we just know how to avoid a third mass scale genocide today.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51136191]Excepted that it's the modern time. We've understood the lessons. We know that hitler rose trought power by peaceful and legal method. NOBODY want to repeat that. It's been 100 year. We still have a shitton documentary about every hitler moves and action. There is the internet. People are more educated than ever. We're safer than ever. You can learn everything with a simple search on google. People aren't as dumb as the one from 1930. Hitler openly told his intentions in his book Mein Kampf and nobody prevented it, or mades the german population notice it because the german population was very against jew in the past? Is it still the case? No. so yeah, you can tell us it was slow, but this is no more, we just know too much of how it happened and we just know how to avoid a third mass scale genocide today.[/QUOTE] You have too much faith in humanity We keep making mistakes and often it's the very same mistakes other historical figures have made [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] Half of the US is voting Trump yet you keep saying we got smarter

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51136196]You have too much faith in humanity We keep making mistakes and often it's the very same mistakes other historical figures have made [editline]1st October 2016[/editline] Half of the US is voting Trump yet you keep saying we got smarter[/QUOTE] I don't know man, it's just feel wrong to outright say that because hitler rose trought power slowly and nobody expected what would happens, it's gonna be the same thing in the US. Everything was VERY different back then, nobody can just compare modern politics and 30s politics, so many thing has happened since then and we are so swarmed with documentary about hitler and germany in the WWII that it would just be wrong if trump is just like him.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51136213]I don't know man, it's just feel wrong to outright say that because hitler rose trought power slowly and nobody expected what would happens, it's gonna be the same thing in the US. Everything was VERY different back then, nobody can just compare modern politics and 30s politics, so many thing has happened since then and we are so swarmed with documentary about hitler and germany in the WWII that it would just be wrong if trump is just like him.[/QUOTE] Of course the times have changed; it just means there needs to be a different way to reach the same goal, and it can be done

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51136213]I don't know man, it's just feel wrong to outright say that because hitler rose trought power slowly and nobody expected what would happens, it's gonna be the same thing in the US. Everything was VERY different back then, nobody can just compare modern politics and 30s politics, so many thing has happened since then and we are so swarmed with documentary about hitler and germany in the WWII that it would just be wrong if trump is just like him.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, most people do not take the opportunity to learn about things from the vast resources of knowledge that we have available today for anyone to read from. While there are those of us that seek knowledge to their cores, the vast majority of people simply don't care and instead focus on what lies directly in front of them.

Good luck with what you're trying to do.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;51132616]Just wait until he tries to forcefully remove US military outposts. Nation-building regime change in minutes if he actually pokes at the US too much. The Filipino people love the US and consistently give it high approval ratings - if Duterte is as much of a psychotic child as he seems, he'll easily get boned by the UN/US/etc[/QUOTE] Weren't the Phillipines considered for statehood at one point? Aren't there Phillipino factions [I]still[/I] trying to push for it, even? It seems hard to believe that a nation who we have had such close diplomatic ties with could have fallen into such chaos so quickly.

Here we go again good job picking up another headline from filipino news outlets. I watched the video and this is what the President said: “Hitler massacred 3 million Jews. There are 3 million drug addicts. I’d be happy to slaughter them. At least, if Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have ….. my victims, all criminals, to finish a problem of my country, and save the next generation.” Duterte was contrasting himself from Hitler, not likening himself to Hitler. He was obviously referring to past incidents where various people (including former President, Noynoy Aquino) compared him to Hitler. Duterte’s point was, unlike Hitler, the people getting killed in his drug war are criminals, not innocents. But the news writers deliberately misrepresented what he said by using the headline “Philippines’ Duterte likens himself to Hitler”. With this they knew that the foreign news outlets who pick up their story won’t be able to tell the difference between their headline and what Duterte actually said.

[QUOTE=Zekkei;51139617]Here we go again good job picking up another headline from filipino news outlets. I watched the video and this is what the President said: “Hitler massacred 3 million Jews. There are 3 million drug addicts. I’d be happy to slaughter them. At least, if Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have ….. my victims, all criminals, to finish a problem of my country, and save the next generation.” Duterte was contrasting himself from Hitler, not likening himself to Hitler. He was obviously referring to past incidents where various people (including former President, Noynoy Aquino) compared him to Hitler. Duterte’s point was, unlike Hitler, the people getting killed in his drug war are criminals, not innocents. But the news writers deliberately misrepresented what he said by using the headline “Philippines’ Duterte likens himself to Hitler”. With this they knew that the foreign news outlets who pick up their story won’t be able to tell the difference between their headline and what Duterte actually said.[/QUOTE] "Criminal" is an arbitrary and meaningless term when due process is being ignored. Furthermore saying "I'd gladly kill 3 million people" is not okay regardless of their status as criminals or not.

When people say Duerte and Trump aren't the same, I'd be willing to agree save for one aspect: they're both making use of their people's desperation to gain power and achieve terrible goals. I specifically use the word "desperation" because my personal view on Duerte and Trump is that their goals are negative and influenced by fear.

[QUOTE=Zekkei;51139617]Here we go again good job picking up another headline from filipino news outlets. I watched the video and this is what the President said: “Hitler massacred 3 million Jews. There are 3 million drug addicts. I’d be happy to slaughter them. At least, if Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have ….. my victims, all criminals, to finish a problem of my country, and save the next generation.” Duterte was contrasting himself from Hitler, not likening himself to Hitler. He was obviously referring to past incidents where various people (including former President, Noynoy Aquino) compared him to Hitler. Duterte’s point was, unlike Hitler, the people getting killed in his drug war are criminals, not innocents. But the news writers deliberately misrepresented what he said by using the headline “Philippines’ Duterte likens himself to Hitler”. With this they knew that the foreign news outlets who pick up their story won’t be able to tell the difference between their headline and what Duterte actually said.[/QUOTE] Sooooo... He's still saying he would gladly kill 3 million people - sorry, I mean criminals?

this entire thread consists of nothing but slippery slope and grade A bullshit conspiracy theories. wow.

[QUOTE=Sally;51130469]My country isn't going down the path of genocide.[/QUOTE] Neither has this one, yet. But there isn't really a difference between this guy saying he wants to kill a bunch of drug addicts and trump saying he wants to kill a bunch of isis family members. [editline]2nd October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Matthew0505;51140249]I guess every demagogue that ever existed is literally Hitler.[/QUOTE] He never compared them to Hitler???

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51140297]Hitler made use of people's desperation too, which makes them equivalent.[/QUOTE] I assumed you were being sardonic

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51140297]Hitler made use of people's desperation too, which makes them equivalent.[/QUOTE] Not equivalent necessarily, but it's a good point to bring up when you're trying to explain why demagoguery in general is bad. Being comparable to something isn't the same as being equivalent to something, if it were it would be pretty difficult to make any sort of judgement on anything involving comparable behavior to something else. You wouldn't be able to compare aspects of two things without people thinking that you are claiming they were exactly the same in every way. That's called the death of nuance. It's important to be able to point out why something might be bad based on examples in the past that everybody recognizes- it's a common ground that allows a level of common understanding.

[QUOTE=Zekkei;51139617]Here we go again good job picking up another headline from filipino news outlets. I watched the video and this is what the President said: “Hitler massacred 3 million Jews. There are 3 million drug addicts. I’d be happy to slaughter them. At least, if Germany had Hitler, the Philippines would have ….. my victims, all criminals, to finish a problem of my country, and save the next generation.” Duterte was contrasting himself from Hitler, not likening himself to Hitler. He was obviously referring to past incidents where various people (including former President, Noynoy Aquino) compared him to Hitler. Duterte’s point was, unlike Hitler, the people getting killed in his drug war are criminals, not innocents. But the news writers deliberately misrepresented what he said by using the headline “Philippines’ Duterte likens himself to Hitler”. With this they knew that the foreign news outlets who pick up their story won’t be able to tell the difference between their headline and what Duterte actually said.[/QUOTE] for a second there, i legit expected a better interpretation or context to change the quote nope still disgusting psycho bullshit, man not even marginally better

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51136739]Weren't the Phillipines considered for statehood at one point? Aren't there Phillipino factions [I]still[/I] trying to push for it, even? It seems hard to believe that a nation who we have had such close diplomatic ties with could have fallen into such chaos so quickly.[/QUOTE] Duterte's really the odd one out

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51136213]I don't know man, it's just feel wrong to outright say that because hitler rose trought power slowly and nobody expected what would happens, it's gonna be the same thing in the US. Everything was VERY different back then, nobody can just compare modern politics and 30s politics, so many thing has happened since then and we are so swarmed with documentary about hitler and germany in the WWII that it would just be wrong if trump is just like him.[/QUOTE] There's a saying that "hindsight is 20/20". It's easy to look back at events in history and think "they should have known better". But the fact is, that people are stupid. They think of the immediate present and don't think about the effects of their actions. Whenever a cult of personality becomes strong enough to overwhelm the truth, disaster is near. Then the only thing that separates a harmless idiot from a dangerous menace are a lot of desperate misinformed people and hatred.