Democratic National Convention & Protests Super(delegate)thread - Goodbye, Bernie
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Just tuned in. I see this isn't going much better than the Republican convention.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50774150]Is the woman behind, her own mom?[/QUOTE]
Whoever she is she is spooky.
There's so much fucking pandering to latinos and Spanish erugh
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50774116]They'd likely be upset? I would understand why, too. What I'm saying is you can't blame Sanders supporters if the Democrats lose. That's just preposterous, because the party had the opportunity to nominate someone who had a much better chance at defeating Donald Trump. You can call it immoral to the will of the voters but that opportunity was there.[/QUOTE]
It's arguable that Sanders is a stronger candidate and that, if he had won the primaries, he might have performed better against Trump than Clinton has, but if you honestly think that overruling the will of Democratic voters would have led to healthier, more united and stronger Democratic Party then I don't know what to tell you.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50774153]Link doesn't take me anywhere, nor does he has any say at what happens at the DNC.[/QUOTE]
How's this one? [url]https://www.facebook.com/trent.champ/posts/10209913519333032[/url]
Edit: Wrong post. Blah, I don't know how to link facebook posts. You can search him out through google. Scroll down a bit and you'll find it.
[B]Edit 2:[/B] Aha! There it goes. [url]https://www.facebook.com/trent.champ/posts/10210069157103879?pnref=story[/url]
He was quoting what was told to him by Glen Maxey, who I imagine would have say at what happens at the DNC.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50774155]
[B]Good.[/B] You deserve to be fearful because relying on another country to protect your sovereignty is fucking stupid. Oh, and I'm saying that as some kooky, wacky practicing Germanic heathen who hugs himself every night stinking of fish and potatoes like a good Scandinavian.
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[IMG]http://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pictures/stock_2015/20151019_1510_NATO_common_funded_budgets_2016-2017.jpg[/IMG]
I'm tired of proving this time and time again to idiots who think NATO is some kind of America only deal. Every member state contributes to NATO. It disgusts me that Americans share the same sentiment about NATO as British people did with Brexit. Get educated, thank you.
Get a load of Marty guys. :v:
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;50774175]How's this one? [URL]https://www.facebook.com/trent.champ/posts/10209913519333032[/URL]
Edit: Whoops, wrong post. Does this one work? [URL]https://www.facebook.com/trent.champ/posts/2F10210069157103879[/URL]
He was quoting what was told to him by Glen Maxey, who I imagine would have say at what happens at the DNC.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't take me to anything except a Sanders support video, second one is dead, is there an actual source on Glen Maxey saying it besides that biased Facebook user?
Edit: Now I see it, I meant a source that Glen Maxey actually said that, not that Trent Champ claims he did.
That was a weird intro.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50774139]how is hillary anything like merkel[/QUOTE]
''Let's kick open our borders, what could possibly go wrong?''
That, and Clinton talking in an interview last year that she wants to rule like Merkel. Which was only a few days before the New Years mass sexual assaults in multiple German cities, and mainly in Cologne.
She's not going to keep your country safe, folks. She will make those incredibly shortsighted decisions, and pretend that she didn't know anything about the possible consequences afterwards.
I hope the next introduction is "Hello, my name is _____, and this is Jackass"
My god the music. This isn't Leno.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50774144]She's opening the door for illegal immigrants to have the same rights as american people. She's opening up for more immigration. Rings a bell yet?[/QUOTE]
Immigration is good sorry.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50774193]Doesn't take me to anything except a Sanders support video, second one is dead, is there an actual source on Glen Maxey saying it besides that biased Facebook user?[/QUOTE]
No, I haven't found a secondary source other than this primary source who has footage of himself at the DNC. Sorry for the bad links, I don't ever use Facebook; this one will take you to it though : [url]https://www.facebook.com/trent.champ/posts/10210069157103879?pnref=story[/url]
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;50774213]No, I haven't found a secondary source other than this primary source who has footage of himself at the DNC. Sorry for the bad links, I don't ever use Facebook; this one will take you to it though : [url]https://www.facebook.com/trent.champ/posts/10210069157103879?pnref=story[/url][/QUOTE]
There's a video of him saying that then?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50774155]
You asked me what positions Trump has that I might possibly support, I answered, being immature isn't going to turn me into a mentally retarded "progressive."[/QUOTE]
You answered and I thought your answer was funny, hence the emote. I wasn't literally calling you a mentally retarded progressive. Please relax.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50774155]
I truly don't care. I heavily lean toward isolationism and this haughty, sanctimonious bullshit isn't going to change that.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. I still think you should look into NATO and learn what it's purpose and mission is before discarding it, but if you are a hardline isolationist there is no real point in arguing further.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50774155]Really now. Well I'm not seeing a discussion, all that you've done is insult people for either voting for Trump or [I]merely saying it's possible to have good reasons for supporting Trump.[/I][/QUOTE]
Where did I insult someone.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50774155]Then what the fuck are you doing here? Shitposting?[/QUOTE]
Talking about politics.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50774155]I can. I like his policy, but I don't think he can effectively do it so I'm not going to vote for him. [B]Did you even think about this before you posted it?[/B][/QUOTE]
Missing the point. You like the idea of cutting wasteful spending but you don't even know what wasteful spending is or if it's even occurring. You just like the way it sounds.
Bolded is more insulting/aggressive than anything I've posted but I'm not going to whine about it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50774162][B]"Do we want a responsible leader?"[/B]
Not this election :vs:[/QUOTE]
Again, not saying that Clinton is the best candidate we had to pick from.
But I feel like one person has an irresponsible attitude towards cybersecurity, and the other person has an irresponsible attitude[I] towards the world economy[/I].
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50774169]Just tuned in. I see this isn't going much better than the Republican convention.[/QUOTE]Oh it's much better. Well it was, you missed the hilarious stuff.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50774185]I'd give you some ad hominems, but I think this should solve our little dispute doesn't it?[/QUOTE]"Look, we're doing the bare minimum! That's why you should keep protecting us."
See that 22.1446% there? I don't think it should be there, I think that should be distributed among everyone else because I don't think the United States should be on that list.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50774144]She's opening the door for illegal immigrants to have the same rights as american people. She's opening up for more immigration. Rings a bell yet?[/QUOTE]
That's impossible, you can open the way for illegal immigrants to become citizens, but illegal immigrants could never have the same rights as citizens.
And people keep chanting Bernie.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50774144]She's opening the door for illegal immigrants to have the same rights as american people. She's opening up for more immigration. Rings a bell yet?[/QUOTE]
so what's wrong with that exactly? i'm assuming you mean making it easier for them to integrate and become citizens because its difficult for noncitizens to enjoy the same rights as citizens
[QUOTE=plunger435;50774218]There's a video of him saying that then?[/QUOTE]
No, he did not upload a video of it. Edit: That said, people with signs after that point did have them confiscated and did report they were told they'd be kicked out if they kept yelling so it seems a good source so far. His FB post came well before any of those tweets.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;50774232]And people keep chanting Bernie.[/QUOTE]
I'm expecting the Bernie chanting to stop tomorrow and mysteriously half the arena will be vacant
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50774172]There's so much fucking pandering to latinos and Spanish erugh[/QUOTE]
It's an important demographic that enjoys a lot of influence in the Democratic party, what's pandering about it?
[editline]25th July 2016[/editline]
Are you mad that latinos despise Trump?
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50774221]Oh it's much better. Well it was, you missed the hilarious stuff.
"Look, we're doing the bare minimum! That's why you should keep protecting us."
See that 22.1446% there? I don't think it should be there, I think that should be distributed among everyone else because I don't think the United States should be on that list.[/QUOTE]
The point of an Alliance is that everyone contributes, even if in this case United States are giving the most support for the Alliance, other major powers in Europe are definitely giving back. In fact Europe is providing the most of the money for NATO operations. Because as you know it NATO is mostly supporting countries near the previous Soviet Union.
The fact that you look at the biggest percentage shows that you don't realize that Europe together provides THE MOST OF THE MONEY FOR NATO.
Of course with this rhetoric I'm using, I expect you to hit me back with. Well then why do you need America at all if you provide the most of the money?!?
I guess it seems like pandering when the other guys call you rapists.
CNN's reporting there are, in fact, "Ambassadors" in the rowdier areas of the DNC floor whose job is to keep delegates in line. Still no direct confirmation that it's those staff that are taking the signs.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50774220]Fair enough. I still think you should look into NATO and learn what it's purpose and mission is before discarding it, but if you are a hardline isolationist there is no real point in arguing further.[/QUOTE]Fine, I just want you to know that I'm well aware of it's purpose but I've come to believe we shouldn't be a part of it. Give me a few years, I might weave back to the other side of that line considering I straddle it most days.
[QUOTE]Missing the point. You like the idea of cutting wasteful spending but you don't even know what wasteful spending is or if it's even occurring. You just like the way it sounds.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I like the way it sounds. You asked for a position I like and that's one, but [B]again[/B] I don't think he can do it effectively so I'm not voting for him. Trying to use that to pigeonhole me into a Trump supporter isn't going to work.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50774261]The point of an Alliance is that everyone contributes, even if in this case United States are giving the most support for the Alliance, other major powers in Europe are definitely giving back. In fact Europe is providing the most of the money for NATO operations. Because as you know it NATO is mostly supporting countries near the previous Soviet Union.[/QUOTE]Here it is again: I think Europe should be paying for all of it because I think we shouldn't be a part of it.
[editline]to clarify[/editline]
Well, not entirely. I'm not married to the isolationist feelings I have, but I could be convinced to support the prospect of continued American membership in NATO if the cost sharing agreement was changed to increase the budget and put more focus on European force readiness rather than waiting for us to show up.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;50774270]CNN's reporting there are, in fact, "Ambassadors" in the rowdier areas of the DNC floor whose job is to keep delegates in line. Still no direct confirmation that it's those staff that are taking the signs.[/QUOTE]
Could you link to it?
It was just on live TV. I'm afraid I don't know how to link you to 20 seconds ago on CNN.
Why shouldn't America be part of NATO? That'd lose America a ton of military support and AID in the case of any war and would likely mean Europe would be neutral at best in any future conflict. It's very much against your interests.
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