• Democratic National Convention & Protests Super(delegate)thread - Goodbye, Bernie
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[QUOTE=Wii60;50776573]well according to the fbi, she is a terrible person with confidential information as president, you can fuck up huge in that department.[/QUOTE] And trump would fucking go to war with putin because putin insulted the size of his fingers Both of these claims are equally substantiated.
[QUOTE=The Vman;50776655]So I can understand why you dislike her, but I still don't really know what damage you imagine she'd cause.[/QUOTE] IMO she'll be a more destructive second version of the previous Clinton administration. It frustrates me that she clings to Obama's popularity and claims to be an extension of his administration when they're two completely different politicians. And I think she'll significantly strengthen authoritarianism in the country which is something I think we should be extremely cautious with.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50776681]IMO she'll be a more destructive second version of the previous Clinton administration. It frustrates me that she clings to Obama's popularity and claims to be an extension of his administration when they're two completely different politicians. And I think she'll significantly strengthen authoritarianism in the country which is something I think we should be extremely cautious with.[/QUOTE] She's certainly much closer to Obama's administration than Trump, wouldn't you say?
[QUOTE=Zyler;50776686]She's certainly much closer to Obama's administration than Trump, wouldn't you say?[/QUOTE] In the same way that a Kissinger administration might be closer to Obama's administration than a Trump administration, sure. But being in the same party is about all they have in common.
I wonder if Trump wasn't running if Bernie would of still endorsed Hillary. Bernie is stuck to the lesser of two evils platform.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50776681]IMO she'll be a more destructive second version of the previous Clinton administration. It frustrates me that she clings to Obama's popularity and claims to be an extension of his administration when they're two completely different politicians. And I think she'll significantly strengthen authoritarianism in the country which is something I think we should be extremely cautious with.[/QUOTE] How would she be destructive? Like, gimme specifics. If I wanted to give specifics on what damage a Trump presidency could do, I'd say he'd give validation to bigots in the country causing them to lash out more violently against minorities, he'd make us an international laughingstock and do serious damage to our foreign relations, he'd elect regressive supreme court judges who'd do actual, long lasting damage to social progress, he'd enact economic plans that would ruin the middle class and bolster the rich... etc etc. So tell me, what specifically could happen under a Clinton administration. She might push the country to become more authoritarian. That's one thing, though how would she do it? She might call a ban on guns, she could push forward the TPP. What else? Like I don't want to sound pushy, I just see so many people with seething hatred over Hillary, but I honestly don't understand what they think would be so awful about a Clinton presidency other than "She's corrupt", and I [I]especially[/I] don't understand how people think she'd be worse than Trump.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50776681] And I think she'll significantly strengthen authoritarianism in the country which is something I think we should be extremely cautious with.[/QUOTE] This about as substantiated as the idea that Obama was going to take away everyone's guns. There's entirely valid reasons for disliking Clinton, but discussing it in terms of random things you personally believe they'll do, regardless of their policies and statements, is something that's impossible to have a discussion about, since it isn't an argument about any sort of fact or verifiable metric, but just one's personal opinion of the candidate.
[QUOTE=Maegord;50776731]This about as substantiated as the idea that Obama was going to take away everyone's guns. There's entirely valid reasons for disliking Clinton, but discussing it in terms of random things you personally believe they'll do, regardless of their policies and statements, is something that's impossible to have a discussion about, since it isn't an argument about any sort of fact or verifiable metric, but just one's personal opinion of the candidate.[/QUOTE] Lmao if anyone it would be trump that increases authoritarianism
[QUOTE=duckmaster;50769094]You're honestly kidding yourself if you think the USA is fucked if Clinton gets in.[/QUOTE] The Clinton administration set the stage and made the dinner table for 8 years of Bush, for and of which we are STILL paying the price. Still. 8 years later, sixteen years total. You're honestly kidding yourself if you think a literal sociopath gives a fuck about the people of this country.
You know, for all of the awful shit Trump has said, you have to give him one thing: Unlike Clinton, he won his primaries fair and square. The only ones responsible for making him candidate are the Republican voters. Clinton on the other hand...
[QUOTE=27X;50776786]The Clinton administration set the stage and made the dinner table for 8 years of Bush, for and of which we are STILL paying the price. Still. 8 years later, sixteen years total. You're honestly kidding yourself if you think a literal sociopath gives a fuck about the people of this country.[/QUOTE] What leads you to believe that Clinton is a [I]literal[/I] sociopath?
[QUOTE=27X;50776786]The Clinton administration set the stage and made the dinner table for 8 years of Bush, for and of which we are STILL paying the price. Still. 8 years later, sixteen years total. You're honestly kidding yourself if you think a literal sociopath gives a fuck about the people of this country.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah because Trump has demonstrated so much compassion before, right? And are you seriously saying that Clinton is 100% responsible for the Bush administration and not, y'know [B]George fucking Bush?[/B]
[QUOTE=EcksDee;50776737]Lmao if anyone it would be trump that increases authoritarianism[/QUOTE] just to bounce off of this - trump seems to be in favour of institutional war crimes, [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-reiterates-desire-to-murder-terrorists-families-a6912496.html"]by killing the families of terrorists[/URL] - to carry on with the war crime angle, [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/24/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-even-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it"]he's in support of waterboarding[/URL], and said that even if it didn't work they probably deserved it - he's gone on record to say that the us [URL="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-responds-istanbul-waterboarding-torture"]should emulate the tactics used by isis [/URL] - he says that the [URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-geneva-conventions-221394?cmpid=sf"]geneva convention should be changed[/URL] so he can do these things - says that he will consider using [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-refuses-to-rule-out-using-nuclear-weapons-in-attack-on-europe-a6961101.html"]nuclear weapons in europe[/URL] - wants the world to[URL="http://time.com/4276960/trump-wants-to-free-the-nuclear-genie/"] re-arm with thousands of nukes[/URL] - says his solution to high oil prices is to [URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/04/23/dumbest-guy-in-the-room-donald-trumps-energy-policy/#5d449a0129b9"]illegally invade the middle east[/URL] and take it - wants to enforce a mandatory [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/10/donald-trump-wants-the-death-penalty-for-those-who-kill-police-officers/"]death penalty for the murder of police officers[/URL] - to continue from the above, he wants to abolish the lethal injection because it's too comfortable - the "sheriff star" picture :rolleyes: - many of his proposals are [URL="https://action.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pages/trumpmemos.pdf"]unconstitutional [/URL] - trump wants to crack down on freedom of the press, [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/26/trump-pledges-curb-press-freedom-libel-laws-first-amendment"]by opening libel laws so he can sue companies that criticize him[/URL] - remember that nude painting of trump? [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/nude-trump-painting-show-london-152738442.html"]he didnt like it[/URL] - trump has told supporters to [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/5/donald-trump-gives-supporters-permissions-be-viole/"]assault protestors at his rallies, and that he would cover legal fees[/URL] - he defended two supporters who assaulted a homeless [URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-calls-boston-brothers-who-beat-homeless-hispanic-man-his-name-passionate-1516392"]man as just being "passionate"[/URL] - there are several more assault stories along similar lines - he fucking bragged he could kill somebody and not lose support - he "might have" su[URL="http://time.com/4140050/donald-trump-muslims-japanese-internment/"]pported Japanese internment[/URL] - he wants to replace all muslim TSA agents in an act of mass discrimination
[QUOTE=Streecer;50776991]just to bounce off of this - trump seems to be in favour of institutional war crimes, [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-reiterates-desire-to-murder-terrorists-families-a6912496.html"]by killing the families of terrorists[/URL] - to carry on with the war crime angle, [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/24/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-even-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it"]he's in support of waterboarding[/URL], and said that even if it didn't work they probably deserved it - he's gone on record to say that the us [URL="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-responds-istanbul-waterboarding-torture"]should emulate the tactics used by isis [/URL] - he says that the [URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-geneva-conventions-221394?cmpid=sf"]geneva convention should be changed[/URL] so he can do these things - says that he will consider using [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-refuses-to-rule-out-using-nuclear-weapons-in-attack-on-europe-a6961101.html"]nuclear weapons in europe[/URL] - wants the world to[URL="http://time.com/4276960/trump-wants-to-free-the-nuclear-genie/"] re-arm with thousands of nukes[/URL] - says his solution to high oil prices is to [URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/04/23/dumbest-guy-in-the-room-donald-trumps-energy-policy/#5d449a0129b9"]illegally invade the middle east[/URL] and take it - wants to enforce a mandatory [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/10/donald-trump-wants-the-death-penalty-for-those-who-kill-police-officers/"]death penalty for the murder of police officers[/URL] - to continue from the above, he wants to abolish the lethal injection because it's too comfortable - the "sheriff star" picture :rolleyes: - many of his proposals are [URL="https://action.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pages/trumpmemos.pdf"]unconstitutional [/URL] - trump wants to crack down on freedom of the press, [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/26/trump-pledges-curb-press-freedom-libel-laws-first-amendment"]by opening libel laws so he can sue companies that criticize him[/URL] - remember that nude painting of trump? [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/nude-trump-painting-show-london-152738442.html"]he didnt like it[/URL] - trump has told supporters to [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/5/donald-trump-gives-supporters-permissions-be-viole/"]assault protestors at his rallies, and that he would cover legal fees[/URL] - he defended two supporters who assaulted a homeless [URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-calls-boston-brothers-who-beat-homeless-hispanic-man-his-name-passionate-1516392"]man as just being "passionate"[/URL] - there are several more assault stories along similar lines - he fucking bragged he could kill somebody and not lose support - he "might have" su[URL="http://time.com/4140050/donald-trump-muslims-japanese-internment/"]pported Japanese internment[/URL] - he wants to replace all muslim TSA agents in an act of mass discrimination[/QUOTE] Jesus, I didn't know about the nukes thing. Trump isn't just a fascist, he's a psychopath and genuinely borderline retarded.
[QUOTE=Streecer;50776991]just to bounce off of this - trump seems to be in favour of institutional war crimes, [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-reiterates-desire-to-murder-terrorists-families-a6912496.html"]by killing the families of terrorists[/URL] - to carry on with the war crime angle, [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/24/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-even-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it"]he's in support of waterboarding[/URL], and said that even if it didn't work they probably deserved it - he's gone on record to say that the us [URL="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-responds-istanbul-waterboarding-torture"]should emulate the tactics used by isis [/URL] - he says that the [URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-geneva-conventions-221394?cmpid=sf"]geneva convention should be changed[/URL] so he can do these things - says that he will consider using [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-refuses-to-rule-out-using-nuclear-weapons-in-attack-on-europe-a6961101.html"]nuclear weapons in europe[/URL] - wants the world to[URL="http://time.com/4276960/trump-wants-to-free-the-nuclear-genie/"] re-arm with thousands of nukes[/URL] - says his solution to high oil prices is to [URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/04/23/dumbest-guy-in-the-room-donald-trumps-energy-policy/#5d449a0129b9"]illegally invade the middle east[/URL] and take it - wants to enforce a mandatory [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/10/donald-trump-wants-the-death-penalty-for-those-who-kill-police-officers/"]death penalty for the murder of police officers[/URL] - to continue from the above, he wants to abolish the lethal injection because it's too comfortable - the "sheriff star" picture :rolleyes: - many of his proposals are [URL="https://action.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pages/trumpmemos.pdf"]unconstitutional [/URL] - trump wants to crack down on freedom of the press, [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/26/trump-pledges-curb-press-freedom-libel-laws-first-amendment"]by opening libel laws so he can sue companies that criticize him[/URL] - remember that nude painting of trump? [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/nude-trump-painting-show-london-152738442.html"]he didnt like it[/URL] - trump has told supporters to [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/5/donald-trump-gives-supporters-permissions-be-viole/"]assault protestors at his rallies, and that he would cover legal fees[/URL] - he defended two supporters who assaulted a homeless [URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-calls-boston-brothers-who-beat-homeless-hispanic-man-his-name-passionate-1516392"]man as just being "passionate"[/URL] - there are several more assault stories along similar lines - he fucking bragged he could kill somebody and not lose support - he "might have" su[URL="http://time.com/4140050/donald-trump-muslims-japanese-internment/"]pported Japanese internment[/URL] - he wants to replace all muslim TSA agents in an act of mass discrimination[/QUOTE] Yep. Classic example of a populist demagogue.
Clinton's Veep choice is a good one. Veeps are supose to be "do no harm" choice, as demonstrated by the effects of Sarah Palin. The last thing needed is a leftist version of her. Liz Warren is too important to be Veep. Bernie is a non-starter lol
So I just wanted to say when The Pretender by Foo Fighters came up before a speaker were to speak. That sealed the deal about this entire DNC. Now I'm just going to think of how much that song really fits the DNC environment.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50776888]You know, for all of the awful shit Trump has said, you have to give him one thing: Unlike Clinton, he won his primaries fair and square. The only ones responsible for making him candidate are the Republican voters. Clinton on the other hand...[/QUOTE] clinton on the other hand won the primaries with more votes in both pledged delegates and popular votes. bernie lost, the DNC may have been against him but hillary was always the more popular candidate and captured a large enough difference that DNC meddling can be ruled out lets also not forget that trump didnt win a huge amount of the republicans, if there wasnt 17 names on the early ballots then trump wouldnt have catapulted to where he was
[QUOTE=Sableye;50777387]clinton on the other hand won the primaries with more votes in both pledged delegates and popular votes. bernie lost, the DNC may have been against him but hillary was always the more popular candidate and captured a large enough difference that DNC meddling can be ruled out[/QUOTE] Let me make sure I've got this straight: Hillary was always the more popular candidate because she won an election that was deliberately stacked in her favor? Near the end, discounting superdelegates, it was very close to an even split between her and Sanders. I don't know if Bernie would have won without DNC interference but the race was certainly close enough that the possibility can't be discounted entirely, and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I consider who I'm going to vote for. It won't be Trump, but I don't think I can vote for Clinton in good conscience without feeling like I'm supporting a corruption of the democratic process in fear of how bad the other guy will be.
[QUOTE=catbarf;50777424]Let me make sure I've got this straight: Hillary was always the more popular candidate because she won an election that was deliberately stacked in her favor? Near the end, discounting superdelegates, it was very close to an even split between her and Sanders. I don't know if Bernie would have won without DNC interference but the race was certainly close enough that the possibility can't be discounted entirely, and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I consider who I'm going to vote for. It won't be Trump, but I don't think I can vote for Clinton in good conscience without feeling like I'm supporting a corruption of the democratic process in fear of how bad the other guy will be.[/QUOTE] Could always vote for a third party. Could go for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. Hell, maybe even Vermin Supreme if you're feeling really cheeky.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;50775711]HE ALREADY threw it away. That's why I'm upset. I'm not in for drama, I'm in for my FUTURE. Don't you fucking tell me I'm retarded for being passionate about this, I never called you names or insulted your intelligence. Back off. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Calm Down" - rilez))[/highlight][/QUOTE] I s2g post like this is why I got interested on the Democrat primaries this cycle (unlike Clinton v Obama). These Bern-outs with their delusions of revolution headed by their promised Messiah-Meme is delicious. Its like talking to Occupy people all over again! This is why radical tears are delicious. Anything less then perfect is a bad solution. Thats why they dont achieve anything, and remain a bunch of bitter losers. [editline]26th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;50777424]Let me make sure I've got this straight: Hillary was always the more popular candidate because she won an election that was deliberately stacked in her favor? Near the end, discounting superdelegates, it was very close to an even split between her and Sanders. I don't know if Bernie would have won without DNC interference but the race was certainly close enough that the possibility can't be discounted entirely, and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I consider who I'm going to vote for. It won't be Trump, but I don't think I can vote for Clinton in good conscience without feeling like I'm supporting a corruption of the democratic process in fear of how bad the other guy will be.[/QUOTE] Lmao. Did we follow the same primary or are u just high? Clinton has a bigger lead against Sanders than Obama does when he faced Clinton. It wasnt even close. Clinton got her lead after Super Tues and Sanders never caught up since [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitposting/this isn't 4chan" - BANNED USER))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=migs42;50777464] Clinton has a bigger lead against Sanders than Obama does when he faced Clinton. It wasnt even close. Clinton got her lead after Super Tues and Sanders never caught up since[/QUOTE] That's exactly what he is talking about, the DNC email scandal is physical proof of the election not being fair, which in turn throws Clinton's campaign into question of if would of had that lead had Bernie not had the cards against him. With the collusion with the media in this as well you have to question if Clinton only won through cheating the system and that doesn't bring much confidence to voters.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;50776669]And trump would fucking go to war with putin because putin insulted the size of his fingers Both of these claims are equally substantiated.[/QUOTE] What? No they're not, not at all. It is a fact that Clinton mishandled confidential information. This is confirmed by the FBI. Trump admires Putin and Russia is probably the last country he would invade. You're talking nonsense.
[QUOTE=srobins;50777891]What? No they're not, not at all. It is a fact that Clinton mishandled confidential information. This is confirmed by the FBI. Trump admires Putin and Russia is probably the last country he would invade. You're talking nonsense.[/QUOTE] Trump admired, in the past tense, Putin. He's washed his hands of him and his support by the whole Russia = ISIS video he stupidly had made as part of his campaign. I do agree he'd probably be unlikely to invade or call for an invasion of Russia, for what it's worth.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50776948]What leads you to believe that Clinton is a [I]literal[/I] sociopath?[/QUOTE] Her social behavior and the fact she needs to parse virtually any statement made in public through a filter, even when talking nonpolitical shit. [quote] trump [/quote] I'm not not talking about Trump, and your junior high come back is just that. Trump has his own thread dedicated to his brand of bullshit. It's also pretty telling your entire argument consists of "but trump", which isn't much of an argument at all. [quote] Bush [/quote] Nowhere did I say the administration wasn't responsible for it's own actions, nor imply anything else, so once again your junior high sci-poly rhetoric is just that. You're completely fucking blind if you think the Clinton administration's flagrant policy of "do as I say, not as I do" didn't cause an immediate and lasting backlash, cause the news report and editorials still exist and a shit ton of the them are on youtube if you bother to do any research. The Clinton flagrant bending of the rules for their friends and open hypocrisy allowed Bush to get elected in the first place, period, and moreover gave the Bush free reign in doing he same types of behavior and policy. The same type of behavior and policy now is why Trump even has a chance of being elected at all.
[QUOTE=srobins;50777891]What? No they're not, not at all. It is a fact that Clinton mishandled confidential information. This is confirmed by the FBI. Trump admires Putin and Russia is probably the last country he would invade. You're talking nonsense.[/QUOTE] And she got reamed for it in pr and by the fbi, though without a conviction. She's sure as shit not gonna fuck with that anymore cause she might have been ignorant, but she aint stupid. Also no putin doesnt like trump anymore after the isis comparison, but that's not the point anyway, the point is that trump is a thin skinned narcissist who cant take it as well as he can dish it out. Having a person like that in charge of foreign policy among his plethora of other awful policy ideas is objectively worse than Clinton in every way
[QUOTE=Streecer;50776991]just to bounce off of this[/quote] Oh boy lets go into this. [QUOTE]- trump seems to be in favour of institutional war crimes, [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-reiterates-desire-to-murder-terrorists-families-a6912496.html"]by killing the families of terrorists[/URL] - to carry on with the war crime angle, [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/24/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-even-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it"]he's in support of waterboarding[/URL], and said that even if it didn't work they probably deserved it - he's gone on record to say that the us [URL="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-responds-istanbul-waterboarding-torture"]should emulate the tactics used by isis [/URL][/QUOTE] Yeah after pointing out these very same people behead and burn people alive, yet it's somehow outrageous we do something that doesn't even cause death and the the third link is a repeat of the second one. [QUOTE]- he says that the [URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-geneva-conventions-221394?cmpid=sf"]geneva convention should be changed[/URL] so he can do these things[/QUOTE] This is him pointing out how unfair it is ISIS is afforded protections of the Geneva Convention despite brutally murdering any soldier they capture then broadcasting it all over the world. [QUOTE]- says that he will consider using [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-refuses-to-rule-out-using-nuclear-weapons-in-attack-on-europe-a6961101.html"]nuclear weapons in europe[/URL]- wants the world to[URL="http://time.com/4276960/trump-wants-to-free-the-nuclear-genie/"] re-arm with thousands of nukes[/URL][/QUOTE] You do realize a major cornerstone of NATO's doctrine during the cold war involved the use of tactical nuclear devices against the Russian Army, especially Armored formations and using them to plug valleys to block their advance. If you go to the mountains in the Fulda Gap along the old inter-German border, you can still find capped mineshafts that were specifically drilled for you to drop a backpack nuke into to create landslides blocking invasion routes. If he came out and said we won't use nukes, then that's undermining NATO since that has a keystone of NATO's European Defense strategy for over half a century. [QUOTE]- says his solution to high oil prices is to [URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/04/23/dumbest-guy-in-the-room-donald-trumps-energy-policy/#5d449a0129b9"]illegally invade the middle east[/URL] and take it[/QUOTE] Wow a Quote from over 5 years ago. [QUOTE]- wants to enforce a mandatory [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/10/donald-trump-wants-the-death-penalty-for-those-who-kill-police-officers/"]death penalty for the murder of police officers[/URL][/QUOTE] So what, it's already pretty much a mandatory death penalty for killing a police officer, 9 out of 10 times you will be killed by the police trying to "capture" you, and if you're lucky enough to get captured 99.99999% of the time you will be charged with capital murder and receive the death penalty. [QUOTE]- to continue from the above, he wants to abolish the lethal injection because it's too comfortable[/QUOTE] 10/10 source [QUOTE]- the "sheriff star" picture :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][IMG]http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0H4AAOSwo3pWem9H/s-l300.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTk1/z/qOoAAOSwQjNW97Eb/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F[/IMG][IMG]http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/J80AAOSw~bFWJwT2/s-l300.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_(heraldry)"]It's not like a six point star is a generic symbol used for centuries and in fact was the primary way of symbolizing a "star" until the foundation of the United States[/URL] The Star of David has always been the hexagram [QUOTE]- many of his proposals are [URL="https://action.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pages/trumpmemos.pdf"]unconstitutional [/URL][/QUOTE] Lets drive into this shall we? [QUOTE] A “Muslim ban” would violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. [/QUOTE] [URL="https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/345/206/case.html"]Shaughnessy v. Mezei 345 U.S. 206 (1953)[/URL], applicants for Visas and entrants to the United States are not entitled to constitional protections. See Executive Order 12172 which in 1979 banned the entrance of Iranians, despite "National Origin" being considered equal to race or religion under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. [QUOTE]A “Muslim ban” of U.S. citizens and permanent residents would violate Due Process and Equal Protection.[/QUOTE] Moot point considering the fact it says in the header. [QUOTE] The campaign declined to say whether Muslim U.S. citizens would be barred.3[/QUOTE] Next [QUOTE]Mass Deportations[/QUOTE] Supposedly mass deportations are unconstitutional even though the US deported over 1 million Mexicans in 1954. Anyway last time I checked there's no constitutional right to be in America if you're not a U.S. Citizen. I'm Mexican, come at me bro. [QUOTE]TRUMP ON SURVEILLANCE OF MUSLIMS AND THE CREATION OF A MUSLIM “DATABASE”[/QUOTE] Okay, this is one of the point Trump did go full retard on; consideirng how useless the French Fiche "S" System is. [QUOTE]TRUMP ON TORTURE[/QUOTE] Oh boo-hoo this section basically says ISIS in Iraq should have U.S. Constitutional rights. [QUOTE]TRUMP ON LIBEL[/QUOTE] Wow, he wants to make Media accountable for what they say. [QUOTE]- trump wants to crack down on freedom of the press, [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/26/trump-pledges-curb-press-freedom-libel-laws-first-amendment"]by opening libel laws so he can sue companies that criticize him[/URL][/QUOTE] Again, wow, he wants to make Media accountable for what they say about people. [QUOTE]One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money.[/QUOTE] Apparently if the Media can't publish false information without impunity then we lose the freedom of press :'( [QUOTE]- remember that nude painting of trump? [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/nude-trump-painting-show-london-152738442.html"]he didnt like it[/URL][/QUOTE] This article literally doesn't involve him personally at all, it's just talking about a painting that he happens to be the subject of, there's nothing in the article about him, no comment, quote or statement; It literally is "Some woman made a painting of trump with a small dick lololol". [QUOTE]- trump has told supporters to [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/5/donald-trump-gives-supporters-permissions-be-viole/"]assault protestors at his rallies, and that he would cover legal fees[/URL] Wow lets see what he actually fucking said. [QUOTE]Get him out of her, [But] Try not to hurt him.[/QUOTE] Wow so violent. [/QUOTE]- he defended two supporters who assaulted a homeless [URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-calls-boston-brothers-who-beat-homeless-hispanic-man-his-name-passionate-1516392"]man as just being "passionate"[/URL] Lets see what he said. [QUOTE]I haven’t heard about that. It would be a shame, but I haven’t heard about that. I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate. I will say that, and everybody here has reported it.[/QUOTE] Wow basically he said he hadn't heard about it, then drops it and said his supporters are passionate pretty much ignoring the story. [QUOTE]- there are several more assault stories along similar lines[/QUOTE] Please provide them. [QUOTE]- he fucking bragged he could kill somebody and not lose support[/QUOTE] Hillary's doing pretty good with Benghazi on her hands. [QUOTE]- he "might have" su[URL="http://time.com/4140050/donald-trump-muslims-japanese-internment/"]pported Japanese internment[/URL] Lets see what he said. [QUOTE]I certainly hate the concept of it. But I would have had to be there at the time to give you a proper answer.[/QUOTE] Holy shit he said he objects to the idea of Interment Camps, look at this fucking Hitler. [/QUOTE]- he wants to replace all muslim TSA agents in an act of mass discrimination[/QUOTE] I like how you are just making up shit now and this is just blatant misinformation by you since here's what actually happened. [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-woman-tells-him-to-replace-muslim-tsa-employees-who-wear-hijabs/[/url] [QUOTE]The presumptive nominee gave a vague answer to a woman who stated that she wanted to replace hijab-wearing TSA passenger screeners with military retirees. "Why aren't we putting our retiree, our military retirees on that border or in TSA, get rid of all these 'hibby-jobbies' they wear at TSA -- I've seen them myself?" Trump did not provide a definitive answer, responding, "Okay, you know, and we are looking at that, and we are looking at that, we're looking at a lot of things." [I][B]It was unclear if Trump's answer was referring to hiring more military retirees or getting rid of TSA Muslim employees who wear the hijab[/B][/I].[/QUOTE] Wow he got a dumb question by a dumb bitch and blew it off, this means he wants to fire all muslims working in the TSA!!! [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of permabanned user" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;50778154]I haven't seen any Hillary voters justifying their votes for anything but "She isn't Trump" but I've seen quite some Trump voters justifying their votes with some of his policies for country and economical development[/QUOTE] Yeah right. Usually only after grabbing them by the virtual collars and screaming, "'HE SPEAKS HIS MIND' IS NOT A REASON" do they sometimes say something to the effect of "I like his tax plan." I don't think even the staunchest Hillary apologists on this forum actually like her, but plenty of the Trump voters have drunk so much Kool-aid that they can't even hold a normal conversation without bleating the usual slogans and memes.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50777084]Jesus, I didn't know about the nukes thing. Trump isn't just a fascist, he's a psychopath and genuinely borderline retarded.[/QUOTE] Yet it has been part of NATO's Doctrine since the 1960s to use Tactical Nuclear Weapons if Russia ever invades Europe. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition[/url]
[QUOTE=Thegunkid;50778172]Oh boy lets go into this. Yeah after pointing out these very same people behead and burn people alive, yet it's somehow outrageous we do something that doesn't even cause death and the the third link is a repeat of the second one. This is him pointing out how unfair it is ISIS is afforded protections of the Geneva Convention despite brutally murdering any soldier they capture then broadcasting it all over the world. [/QUOTE] you see thats the thing. we are better than ISIS. We recognize human rights. no one said we wont imprison/punish them, but we are not at their level of savagery. [QUOTE=Thegunkid;50778172] You do realize a major cornerstone of NATO's doctrine during the cold war involved the use of tactical nuclear devices against the Russian Army, especially Armored formations and using them to plug valleys to block their advance. If you go to the mountains in the Fulda Gap along the old inter-German border, you can still find capped mineshafts that were specifically drilled for you to drop a backpack nuke into to create landslides blocking invasion routes. If he came out and said we won't use nukes, then that's undermining NATO since that has a keystone of NATO's European Defense strategy for over half a century. [/QUOTE] That was during the cold war, times change [QUOTE=Thegunkid;50778172] Wow a Quote from over 5 years ago. [/QUOTE] the example you gave [B]literally[/B] a paragraph above you is decades out of date and then you say this is not a valid point because its 5 years outdated? Ever hear of Doublethink? [QUOTE=Thegunkid;50778172] So what, it's already pretty much a mandatory death penalty for killing a police officer, 9 out of 10 times you will be killed by the police trying to "capture" you, and if you're lucky enough to get captured 99.99999% of the time you will be charged with capital murder and receive the death penalty. (...) 10/10 source [/QUOTE] you said all that without any proof then complain that someone else didnt have a source 10/10 [QUOTE=Thegunkid;50778172] Lets drive into this shall we? [/QUOTE] I was going to argue this with you but its evident that you didn't bother reading it for more than 4 seconds [QUOTE=Thegunkid;50778172]I'm Mexican, come at me bro. [/QUOTE] "I know black people! I can't be racist!" and yes, restricting what the media says, no matter how biased they are, is in violation of the first amendment. "TheGunKid" is truly an accurate username, although not needed. just reading what you wrote tells me you are still probably in middle school
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