• Democratic National Convention & Protests Super(delegate)thread - Goodbye, Bernie
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I'll point out there have been plenty of people in history who have acted against their groups interests and fight for rights for various different reasons, whether they were female, black, gay, etc. So just because you're Mexican and you're voting for Trump does NOT mean that Trump isn't racist or something - and it certainly raises a hell of a lot of eyebrows.
am I going insane or did some posts from this thread just vanish?
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;50778154]I haven't seen any Hillary voters justifying their votes for anything but "She isn't Trump" but I've seen quite some Trump voters justifying their votes with some of his policies for country and economical development[/QUOTE] Where? I haven't seen a single policy of his discussed anywhere, at least not in SH anyway. I know he's with the GOP, but what policies is he specifically wanting to introduce? [QUOTE=da space core;50778384]am I going insane or did some posts from this thread just vanish?[/QUOTE] somebody got banned
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;50778154]I haven't seen any Hillary voters justifying their votes for anything but "She isn't Trump" but I've seen quite some Trump voters justifying their votes with some of his policies for country and economical development[/QUOTE] Funny you say that because I have only observed the opposite
[QUOTE=27X;50777976]Her social behavior and the fact she needs to parse virtually any statement made in public through a filter, even when talking nonpolitical shit. I'm not not talking about Trump, and your junior high come back is just that. Trump has his own thread dedicated to his brand of bullshit. It's also pretty telling your entire argument consists of "but trump", which isn't much of an argument at all. Nowhere did I say the administration wasn't responsible for it's own actions, nor imply anything else, so once again your junior high sci-poly rhetoric is just that. You're completely fucking blind if you think the Clinton administration's flagrant policy of "do as I say, not as I do" didn't cause an immediate and lasting backlash, cause the news report and editorials still exist and a shit ton of the them are on youtube if you bother to do any research. The Clinton flagrant bending of the rules for their friends and open hypocrisy allowed Bush to get elected in the first place, period, and moreover gave the Bush free reign in doing he same types of behavior and policy. The same type of behavior and policy now is why Trump even has a chance of being elected at all.[/QUOTE] That's not sociopathy. If you're really going to insult someone by calling them a middle schooler, don't do it while trying to pass off asinine mental health diagnoses based more on your own enmity towards Clinton than anything approaching even a basic familiarity with mental disorders or antisocial behavior. And if you're so well versed in the events surrounding bush's election in 2000, you should probably do a little bit more digging. You might find out about a court case called Bush v. Gore which should tell you how Bush actually "won" the election.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50778596]Funny you say that because I have only observed the opposite[/QUOTE] of course you have. you are a hillary supporter, based on your posts here. you've done nothing but try and shut everybody down that has a bad opinion of her. this is not a surprise, my dude. as a supporter of neither of these parties i've seen nothing but lies and bad promises made just to ensure the big seat at the oval office. the every day voter sees "the first female president" and "he's business smart!", and i talk to these people on the phones every month for polling. as for the politicians below them and the big money supporters, everybody only cares about good PR first, and the promise of great business relationships down the road. delicious money and cocaine. this campaign year has made me so disillusioned. there is nobody in my federal government i trust anymore. even in what was my own party, the democrats, i'm not seeing people root for fairness and rights, i'm watching people actually get in to speak to congress about cyber bullying and social justice. shit that doesn't matter, buzz words said just to get people riled up. but nobody's actually doing anything to fix any problems, but setting a bad precedence for education, law, and even entertainment like movies and tv. as long as people, as individuals, are happy, they don't care about the overall well-being of women or minorities, blacks, lgbt, anything. as long as hillary has a black lady go up there for her to name drop black lives matter, everything's suddenly better. after watching the DNC i just don't know anymore. the democrats aren't unified, they aren't happy. RNC looked like clowns but at least the crowd was happy with their own nominee, which is worrying if you hate trump. and to people who support the DNC and hillary in this thread, just look at the fucking convention. how can you support this travesty?
[QUOTE=TheJoey;50778697]of course you have. you are a hillary supporter, based on your posts here. you've done nothing but try and shut everybody down that has a bad opinion of her. this is not a surprise, my dude. [/QUOTE] That makes Sam Za, what, a Trump supporter :v:? I don't think who you support really matters when you can easily parse through election threads and see that most of the posts from myself, Isak, and others are almost 100% about policy where as reasons to vote for Trump are typically "because he isn't a corrupt lying criminal". When you do manage to get a Trump supporter to talk policy half the time they never reply back to you and the 50% of the time they do, they just say "well hillary is lying she is secretly a conservative and Trump is secretly a liberal and he will be the best on gays and marijuana will be legalized" with literally nothing backing any of this up. What do you mean by "try and shut everybody down", my main man?
As the primaries dragged on, it was very interesting to see on reddit the Bernie camps devolve into a cesspool of only the most fanatic supporters, and from a pro-Bernie movement into an anti-Hillary movement that much overlapped with the same anti-Hillary message spread by none other than Donald Trump.
Because the Democratic Party and policies offer a way forward while the Republicans are largely stuck in the past, and are actively supporting someone so awful, so unsuited for office, it'd be a disaster to let him in? Yes, the party is corrupt I get that. But there are only two ways to change the system - you either take control of a party (which Bernie has secured for the future) and change it from the inside - or you have a revolution. Trump offers neither. He'll either fuck everything up [I]but[/I] the current way of voting and have zero voting reform [I]or[/I] will back down and be fairly status quo. I still can't decide whether Trump actually believes the shit he says or whether he's just doing this because he thinks that'll ensure he wins - I also can't decide which is more terrifying. The Democrats offer a way forward, in their economic policies, in their social policies, in what they're fighting for. Sanders supporters have the future of the party in their hands. The progressives may have lost the battle but by god they've won the war. The Republicans will destroy all that and set the country back for years. Simply, that can't be allowed to happen - but I fear it will. EDIT: Oh, and I'll point out that it's hard to point out what Trump is actually for besides the Republican manifesto and his whole 'Mexicans and Muslims are bad mkay' shit.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;50778697] and to people who support the DNC and hillary in this thread, just look at the fucking convention. how can you support this travesty?[/QUOTE] Because despite everything I believe Clinton is better qualified to be president than Trump. Trump has made several individual statements, each of which would have disqualified him my vote. As for conventions, I don't give a shit. They are circuses. The only thing I get out of a convention is the party platform, and I align with the Democrats a whole hell of a lot more than I do the Republicans.
People saying that Bernie has now made the party far more open to progressives are being a bit optimistic in my opinion. Im pretty sure the establishment will take notes on how they fucked up and make sure their next rigging job is far more seamless. There won't be another surprise Bernie, likely just more establishment names. I hear Malia Obama will be a good pick in a couple decades.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50778827]People saying that Bernie has now made the party far more open to progressives are being a bit optimistic in my opinion. Im pretty sure the establishment will take notes on how they fucked up and make sure their next rigging job is far more seamless. There won't be another surprise Bernie, likely just more establishment names. I hear Malia Obama will be a good pick in a couple decades.[/QUOTE] The idea is to circumvent the entire problem of the establishment working for itself and against the outsider by making the outsider the establishment. This is the entire viewpoint of Bernie's political revolution. It's playing the long game. He explained this in his speech last night.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;50778697]after watching the DNC i just don't know anymore. the democrats aren't unified, they aren't happy. RNC looked like clowns but at least the crowd was happy with their own nominee, which is worrying if you hate trump.[/QUOTE] The RNC sounded like a fucking cult (a cult of [I]personality[/I] huehuehue). I'm not 100% certain, but cults aren't a good thing right? I mean, they tend to always end up badly, and the implication is that everybody in said cult lacks so much of a personality that they need that to feel like a person. Which would explain a number of Trump supporters around here tbh. Don't let a cult rule your country and tear it apart. Brexit was Trump-tier-stupidity-lite, and we saw a massive spike in violence against minorities from the assholes who felt they were now the "ruling class" despite not being able to tie their own shoelaces. Our economy fucking tripped over and is now rolling around on the floor howling in pain hoping someone will help due to the massive fuck up the potential economics of this situation will cause. And we just look like fucking idiots to the rest of Europe right now. Don't do this to yourselves America. "Shaking things up" isn't a viable option in the politics of today because everybody relies on everyone else at least being mostly predictable and amicable.
====>>>>[url=https://www.twitch.tv/dnc2016]Convention will be livestreamed here on Twitch[/url]<<<<==== get ready boys its round two [editline]26th July 2016[/editline] did she forget to fucking gavel in
[QUOTE=catbarf;50777424]Let me make sure I've got this straight: Hillary was always the more popular candidate because she won an election that was deliberately stacked in her favor? Near the end, discounting superdelegates, it was very close to an even split between her and Sanders. I don't know if Bernie would have won without DNC interference but the race was certainly close enough that the possibility can't be discounted entirely, and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I consider who I'm going to vote for. It won't be Trump, but I don't think I can vote for Clinton in good conscience without feeling like I'm supporting a corruption of the democratic process in fear of how bad the other guy will be.[/QUOTE] its a massive overestimation of the effect the DNC had on the primary. Sanders flat out lost the entire south, a very large amount of delegates which required him to out perform hillary in all remaining states
was there any mention of the emails yesterday
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50779144] did she forget to fucking gavel in[/QUOTE] technically day 1 never ended so they're just continuing on where they left off from yesterday
"Hillary loves TV and eats Chicken Wings" What the fuck kind of pandering is this? Who's the target audience now? People who work at Buffalo Wild Wings?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50779235]"Hillary loves TV and eats Chicken Wings" What the fuck kind of pandering is this? Who's the target audience now? People who work at Buffalo Wild Wings?[/QUOTE] Pandering to the obese US citizens maybe
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50779235]"Hillary loves TV and eats Chicken Wings" What the fuck kind of pandering is this? Who's the target audience now? People who work at Buffalo Wild Wings?[/QUOTE] Hillary probably eats chicken wings with a knife and fork.
Does anyone here have an updated bingo card?
Oh god, this Electrical Union leader has stubs for arms. It's like Jaba the Hut for real.
good public speaker tho
[QUOTE=Monkah;50779265]Does anyone here have an updated bingo card?[/QUOTE] Here's what I had from last night [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/uKUt9kR.png[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50779298]Here's what I had from last night [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/uKUt9kR.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] doesn't booing count as audio/visual difficulties?
Bernie fucks
[QUOTE=Sableye;50779304]doesn't booing count as audio/visual difficulties?[/QUOTE] I was thinking the mic would cut out or a screen would go black
I've missed a lot, is tonight Bernie Sanders night or something? Just watching the past 5 minutes, if I didn't know any better I'd think Bernie was getting the nomination.
[QUOTE=OvB;50779311]I've missed a lot, is tonight Bernie Sanders night or something? Just watching the past 5 minutes, if I didn't know any better I'd think Bernie was getting the nomination.[/QUOTE] No, it's just damage control to round up the Bernie voters, especially after last night.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50779317]No, it's just damage control to round up the Bernie voters, especially after last night.[/QUOTE] What happened last night? I heard on the radio someone named silverman told his supporters to get real or something.
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