• Democratic National Convention & Protests Super(delegate)thread - Goodbye, Bernie
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[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50787912]You were a bernie supporter who turned to Trump after the Orlando shooting because you were so scared of being shot by a foreign terrorist despite the shooter being american(additionally most shooters are always american citizens, so immigration laws don't mean shit to anyone, even if they're descendants from the Middle East), you even made a post about how you were wimping out until you heard a Trump speech and that somehow gave you courage and strength how can anyone take you seriously[/QUOTE] Even if you don't take him seriously, he's roughly in the same boat as nearly half of Americans.
Glad to see ten whole pages of talk on a political convention boils down to: -These speakers are low energy. -Clinton supporters are always triggered. -How dare a political campaign ask for donations, thank god Trump would never. -Boring speaker. -Why are they speaking Spanish?! This is America! -Trump can prevent future crimes like Tom Cruise. -Man they keep playing music videos. -He's not speaking very well. And maybe ten actual posts on the contents on the speeches. And now people know why no one cares about the votes of teenagers and early twenty year olds.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50787651]I just can't wait to see how yall react when my boy Trump wins this election cause Clinton can't keep a campaign afloat. Not like Trump is the best at that either, but he gets more votes with the further Clinton/Bernie supporters become dissatisfied. Clinton on the other hand has to fight to retain every vote.[/QUOTE] If Trump wins, I can guarantee you that everybody loses, even his vote bank, but they'll be happy enough with the upswing in racism and xenophobia his election will trigger. [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50787805]Nope, just noting the echo chamber SH is. [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] You know I'm going to come in this sub-forum smiling ear to ear.[/QUOTE] Imagine considering legitimate concerns as an echo chamber and doing nothing to address them beyond claiming you fell for demagoguery 101 People like you are the reason why that orange toupeed clown managed to gain the nomination despite having no backing from within his own party at the beginning of the prelims Feelings over facts are a dangerous precedent, you don't ignore solid fact, but unfortunately this is a flaw that democracy's stuck with, as people are permitted to believe whatever they want, even if it's objectively wrong.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50787805]Nope, just noting the echo chamber SH is. [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] You know I'm going to come in this sub-forum smiling ear to ear.[/QUOTE] I'm still waiting on your reply to how the GOP and Trump are pro-gay rights of Trump and the GOP website both says otherwise.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50787953]Glad to see ten whole pages of talk on a political convention boils down to: -These speakers are low energy. -Clinton supporters are always triggered. -How dare a political campaign ask for donations, thank god Trump would never. -Boring speaker. -Why are they speaking Spanish?! This is America! -Trump can prevent future crimes like Tom Cruise. -Man they keep playing music videos. -He's not speaking very well. And maybe ten actual posts on the contents on the speeches. And now people know why no one cares about the votes of teenagers and early twenty year olds.[/QUOTE]Another amazing and informed post by plunger435, ignoring the inconvenient and submerged in fantasy. (I guess you missed all those posts talking about how Obama wasn't actually a bad president, even by conservative posters, and commenting on well-put together speeches) (oh, and discussing what a terrible person Clinton is, precipitated by the actual content of speeches) (or how they've been rubbing in in the faces of Bernie supporters) (you also seem to have missed general comments about the constant booing and shouting of the crowd) Oh and haha [QUOTE]And now people know why no one cares about the votes of teenagers and early twenty year olds.[/QUOTE]Apparently the Democrats care enough that they stumble through clumsy, corny music videos and doing everything they can to appeal to that demographic. You know, like what they were doing with all the Spanish. Yeah, not all of us can speak Spanish but I guarantee you anyone who's an actual citizen knows how to speak English, so the goal there is pretty fucking obvious.
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50787692]Trump wont win after that speech. Obama just converted a million of folks.[/QUOTE] ...how? [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] Like think wishfully all you need to but how is an Obama speech gonna stop people from despising Hillary
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788052]Apparently the Democrats care enough that they stumble through clumsy, corny music videos and doing everything they can to appeal to that demographic. You know, like what they were doing with all the Spanish. Yeah, not all of us can speak Spanish but I guarantee you anyone who's an actual citizen knows how to speak English, so the goal there is pretty fucking obvious.[/QUOTE] Democrats are appealing to the people whose rights they fight for. Meanwhile, all I'm hearing from you is, "diversity is bad."
[QUOTE=plunger435;50788011]I'm still waiting on your reply to how the GOP and Trump are pro-gay rights of Trump and the GOP website both says otherwise.[/QUOTE] What's even more frustrating is that even with a nice PM (all the "flaming" was supposedly the problem), you're not gonna get a proper answer. The only conclusion is that Pvt.martin either can't or doesn't care to back his positions up. The claim that Trump supporters are victims of harassment on this forum is both ludicrous and ironic. And Pvt. Martin, if you're reading this, I'm still hoping for an answer.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50787870]I stand my what I say.[/QUOTE] like you will stand unemployed for another 3.5 years while looking for someone else to blame if donald trump wins, i cant wait till you realize your political deity can't magically hand you a job along with being barred to marry other lgbtq folks & adopt kids
[QUOTE=sb27;50782327]Candidates, yes. But none of them were ever [i]nominated[/i] to be the Presidential nominee of a major party. Until Hillary.[/QUOTE] Gracie Allen was nominated.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50788011]I'm still waiting on your reply to how the GOP and Trump are pro-gay rights of Trump and the GOP website both says otherwise.[/QUOTE]His [url=https://www.donaldjtrump.com/]website[/url] says this? Point it out. I'm asking you to do this because he's [url=http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-gay-rights-224343]said pro-LGBT things[/url] and his stance [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html?_r=0]sets him apart from the GOP establishment.[/url] Weren't you the guy who said months ago that Trump is a sign the Republican party is eating itself? Yet now when you're confronted with that very thing you deny it because it's inconvenient, if anything he's [url=https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_gay_rights]made a shift[/url] from supporting "traditional marriage" to now supporting gay marriage, (or at least leaving it up to the states which doesn't mean he's opposed to it) and now only seems to be oppose to transgender issues. [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50788075]Democrats are appealing to the people whose rights they fight for. Meanwhile, all I'm hearing from you is, "diversity is bad."[/QUOTE]Then maybe you should read again and this time apply yourself because I haven't discussed diversity at all. Unless you're one of those dingbats who think "diversity" is forced multiculturalism and then I'll have to say I'm opposed to this "diversity" bullshit you're selling. I'd rather keep our current immigration system than open up the borders and throw caution to the wind; clearly it's not working for Europe and anyone with an iota of common sense could have figured that out. No, I'd rather keep Mexican and all the South American values on the other side of the border, right along with Canadian values too. They're different countries with different people and situations and their influence does [I]not[/I] belong here and they can assimilate like everyone else. This makes any societal changes brought on by these foreign influences a slow process, something that society can easily acclimatize to over decades. [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] Wait why am I explaining this? You're not even going to read just like last time and then I'll spend two pages trying to correct you on something I said. I don't even know why I even bother indulging this bullshit.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788052]Another amazing and informed post by plunger435, ignoring the inconvenient and submerged in fantasy. (I guess you missed all those posts talking about how Obama wasn't actually a bad president, even by conservative posters, and [B]commenting on well-put together speeches[/B]) (oh, and discussing what a terrible person Clinton is, precipitated by the actual content of speeches) (or how they've been rubbing in in the faces of Bernie supporters) (you also seem to have missed general comments about the constant booing and shouting of the crowd) Oh and haha Apparently the Democrats care enough that they stumble through clumsy, corny music videos and doing everything they can to appeal to that demographic. You know, like what they were doing with all the Spanish. Yeah, not all of us can speak Spanish but I guarantee you anyone who's an actual citizen knows how to speak English, so the goal there is pretty fucking obvious.[/QUOTE] You're acting like you're approval of Obama doesn't fall under the very first bullet point I listed. [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50787500] He's a inspiring speaker if anything else and like you said, he does seem like a good guy.[/QUOTE] You weren't giving some heartfelt speech on how it's sad to leave because Obama had such good policies. You're sad he's leaving because he's charismatic, echo his the same reason people are supporting Donald Trump. You even mention that in your post right here directly replying to me. The only negative thing I saw about Clinton in the last few pages were people complaining she was being a warhawk, as if the entire GOP platform isn't based around that exact thing. And yeah there being more comments about booing and shouting more than the actual speeches themselves by you is one of my points as well. You're not commenting on the election over the policies of the candidates you're outlet commenting on shit that has no bearing. Probably because you realize that if you commented on any actual policy decisions you'd have to defend Trumps and you've seen how badly that always go when it takes five seconds to find him rebutting your own point. As as for your rant on Spanish, how long have you lived in America? It's the second largest language in the states, and people speak it who aren't illegal immigrants, every single sign in the south and even the north now comes with the word in English and Spanish,and I never thought I'd read an unironic post of the equivalence of "This is America, the official language in English!" (It's not)
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788105]His [URL="https://www.donaldjtrump.com/"]website[/URL] says this? Point it out. I'm asking you to do this because he's [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-gay-rights-224343"]said pro-LGBT things[/URL] and his stance [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html?_r=0"]sets him apart from the GOP establishment.[/URL] Weren't you the guy who said months ago that Trump is a sign the Republican party is eating itself? Yet now when you're confronted with that very thing you deny it because it's inconvenient, if anything he's [URL="https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_gay_rights"]made a shift[/URL] from supporting "traditional marriage" to now supporting gay marriage, (or at least leaving it up to the states which doesn't mean he's opposed to it) and now only seems to be oppose to transgender issues.[/QUOTE] Your politico article is just literally Donald Trump saying "I will fight for you" ( what else is he gonna say after a massacre of a minority group?) with a gay republican saying he MIGHT shift to a more lgtbq platform. Same thing with your NYT article except that he even backtracked the whole North Carolina gaffe then said he'll let the states decide. Even the ballotpedia says that lol. For all his [I]implied[/I] support for LGBTQ, he has done nothing to stop the RNC platform officially amending they still want to fight for traditional marriage and support gay conversion therapy which are torture camps for LGBTQ youth nor spoke against any of them. His VP is one of the most social conservative man out there. You're literally depending him on to be a secret liberal will spring out in surprise and say "JUST KIDDING! CIVIL RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE!" while in reality he'll just appoint conservative judges who'll work with the GOPs in congress to undo the progress that the Democrats fought for the last decade.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788105]His [URL="https://www.donaldjtrump.com/"]website[/URL] says this? Point it out. I'm asking you to do this because he's [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-gay-rights-224343"]said pro-LGBT things[/URL] and his stance [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html?_r=0"]sets him apart from the GOP establishment.[/URL] Weren't you the guy who said months ago that Trump is a sign the Republican party is eating itself? Yet now when you're confronted with that very thing you deny it because it's inconvenient, if anything he's [URL="https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_gay_rights"]made a shift[/URL] from supporting "traditional marriage" to now supporting gay marriage, (or at least leaving it up to the states which doesn't mean he's opposed to it) and now only seems to be oppose to transgender issues. Then maybe you should read again and this time apply yourself because I haven't discussed diversity at all.[/QUOTE] I didn't say Trumps website. I said Trump himself, I did say the GOP website though. [QUOTE]Tapper and Trump on his stance on same-sex marriage: “[TRUMP]…I'm traditional marriage. It is changing rapidly. [TAPPER]: But what do you say to a lesbian who's married or a gay man who's married who says, 'Donald Trump, what's traditional about being married 3 times?' [TRUMP]: …I don't say anything. I'm just for traditional marriage.”[/QUOTE] [URL]http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/06/28/donald-trump-on-cnns-state-of-the-union-im-in-it-to-win-it-i-will-make-our-country-great-again/[/URL] [QUOTE]I think I’m evolving, and I think I’m a very fair person, but I have been for traditional marriage. I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/thomas-roberts-donald-trump-interview[/URL] [QUOTE]WALLACE: But, Mr. Trump, let's take one issue. You say now that the Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex marriage is the law of the land and that any politician who talks about wanting to amend the Constitution is just playing politics. Are you saying it's time to move on? TRUMP: No, I'm saying this. It has been ruled up. It has been there. If I'm a, you know, if I'm elected, I would be very strong on putting certain judges on the bench that I think maybe could change things.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]WALLACE: But -- but just to button this up very quickly, sir, are you saying that if you become president, you might try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage? TRUMP: I would strongly consider that, yes.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2016/01/31/ted-cruz-attacks-donald-trump-financial-record-trump-responds/[/URL] [QUOTE]I think they can trust me on traditional marriage… and frankly, I was very much in favor of having the court rule that it goes to states, and let the states decide. And that was a shocking decision for you and for me and for a lot of other people, but I was very much in favor of letting the states decide and that’s the way it looked it was going and then all of a sudden out of nowhere came this very massive decision and they took it away. But I was always in favor of state’s rights; states deciding.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/02/donald-trump-ill-overturn-the-shocking-gay-marriage-decision-trust-me/[/URL] [URL]https://www.gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/[/URL] [QUOTE]The institution of marriage is the foundation of civil society. Its success as an institution will determine our success as a nation. It has been proven by both experience and endless social science studies that traditional marriage is best for children. Children raised in intact married families are more likely to attend college, are physically and emotionally healthier, are less likely to use drugs or alcohol, engage in crime, or get pregnant outside of marriage. The success of marriage directly impacts the economic well-being of individuals. Furthermore, the future of marriage affects freedom. The lack of family formation not only leads to more government costs, but also to more government control over the lives of its citizens in all aspects. We recognize and honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the many burdens of parenting alone, even as we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage. We embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with respect and dignity.[/QUOTE] Straight from the man himself, except the last one, that's his official parties stance.
Remember to vote for whomever resonates strongest with your political ideology folks.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50788130]You're acting like you're approval of Obama doesn't fall under the very first bullet point I listed.[/QUOTE]How is praise of Obama's presidency saying "he has low energy" at fucking all? [QUOTE]You weren't giving some heartfelt speech on how it's sad to leave because Obama had such good policies. You're sad he's leaving because he's charismatic, echo his the same reason people are supporting Donald Trump.[/QUOTE]I'm sad he's leaving because he wasn't terrible, I didn't like his policies I liked how ineffectual he was. I'm not going to write a fucking thesis on that, I can sum it up into a single-line post and I wasn't going to expand on it because we were all doing something more important. [QUOTE]The only negative thing I saw about Clinton in the last few pages were people complaining she was being a warhawk, as if the entire GOP platform isn't based around that exact thing.[/QUOTE]By people you mean me, and that was [U]exactly[/U] my point. [QUOTE]And yeah there being more comments about booing and shouting more than the actual speeches themselves by you is one of my points as well.[/QUOTE]I'm aware. [QUOTE]You're not commenting on the election over the policies of the candidates you're outlet commenting on shit that has no bearing.[/QUOTE]Oh, so [I]that's[/I] what has got your panties wound so fucking tight. I get it now. So when people insult your precious party it's not okay, but you can do the exact same shit in the RNC thread? No kiddo, that's not how it works, the Democrats are fair game too. [QUOTE]Probably because you realize that if you commented on any actual policy decisions you'd have to defend Trumps and you've seen how badly that always go when it takes five seconds to find him rebutting your own point.[/QUOTE]You know I'm voting for Johnson, you've known for months now. You've all but said I was an idiot for not voting for Clinton and then handwaved it away as a vote taken from Trump when you realized I wasn't going to budge. Furthermore you're not owed some extensive political discussion, people are every bit entitled to make light commentary (I was insistent about this in the RNC thread, but it quickly went to shit and got out of hand here) as they are to make large posts detailing their thoughts and feelings but [I]do not presume you are entitled to a similar response.[/I] I can just as easily say, "no, you're wrong," and be done with it. [QUOTE]As as for your rant on Spanish, how long have you lived in America?[/QUOTE]Over three decades. [QUOTE]It's the second largest language in the states,[/QUOTE]So? [QUOTE]and people speak it who aren't illegal immigrants,[/QUOTE]Never said that all Spanish speakers were illegal immigrants, I [I]specifically said[/I] that citizens can speak English. [QUOTE]every single sign in the south and even the north now comes with the word in English and Spanish,[/QUOTE]This is actually bullshit. [QUOTE]I never thought I'd read an unironic post of the equivalence of "This is America, the official language in English!" (It's not)[/QUOTE]I think you might want to reexamine what "de facto" means. I don't care what you thought what you would or wouldn't read, pandering to 11% of the entire population is stupid. There's far, [B]far[/B] more German-Americans in this country, myself included, and there hasn't ever been any bilingual effort to "include" them in any way.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788187]How is praise of Obama's presidency saying "he has low energy" at fucking all?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788187]I didn't like his policies I liked how ineffectual he was.[/QUOTE] High praise. [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788187]Oh, so [I]that's[/I] what has got your panties wound so fucking tight. I get it now. So when people insult your precious party it's not okay, but you can do the exact same shit in the RNC thread? No kiddo, that's not how it works, the Democrats are fair game too.[/QUOTE] I actually didn't post in the RNC thread because I don't like to see my party hijacked. [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788187]You know I'm voting for Johnson, you've known for months now. You've all but said I was an idiot for not voting for Clinton and then handwaved it away as a vote taken from Trump when you realized I wasn't going to budge.[/QUOTE] Actually you didn't say you were voting for Johnson, you said you were voting for Trump. See below quote: [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50497740]I swear the next time some motherfucker tells me I need to vote for Clinton so Trump won't win [B]I'm going to vote for Donald Trump out of spite.[/B] You want me to sabotage my principles? Alright, but I'm going to fuck you over while I do that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50497740]I don't care what you thought what you would or wouldn't read, pandering to 11% of the entire population is stupid. There's far, [B]far[/B] more German-Americans in this country, myself included, and there hasn't ever been any bilingual effort to "include" them in any way.[/QUOTE] Only 54% of the population voted in 2012, so yes, 11% is a pretty high number if even half of them vote democrat. Here's the Census data saying more people speak Spanish than German. [URL]http://www.census.gov/hhes/socdemo/language/data/acs/Table3A.xls[/URL] German is 1 million to Spanish's 41 million.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50787674]I can tell you right now I'll laugh my ass off if Trump wins.[/QUOTE] I suppose it's the only thing one can do when your country faces doom [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788187]I don't care what you thought what you would or wouldn't read, pandering to 11% of the entire population is stupid. There's far, [B]far[/B] more German-Americans in this country, myself included, and there hasn't ever been any bilingual effort to "include" them in any way.[/QUOTE] that's because german-americans barely know any german or speak it on any appreciable level anymore Spanish is still the second most widely spoken language in the country and as such it should be given room. If Spanish keeps on growing as a language in the United States it becomes increasingly stupid to deny it room and services to people who speak it
[QUOTE=plunger435;50788148]I didn't say Trumps website. I said Trump himself, I did say the GOP website though.[/QUOTE]Your entire post can be refuted with this:[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788105]from supporting "traditional marriage" to now supporting gay marriage, (or at least leaving it up to the states which doesn't mean he's opposed to it) and now only seems to be oppose to transgender issues.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;50788143]Your politico article is just literally Donald Trump saying "I will fight for you" ( what else is he gonna say after a massacre of a minority group?) with a gay republican saying he MIGHT shift to a more lgtbq platform.[/QUOTE]Yet somehow he managed to piss off the Koch brothers and friends so much that they refused to endorse him. This is one aspect of that, so again he's either the one who splits the party or everything's fine. Pick one. [QUOTE]Same thing with your NYT article except that he even backtracked the whole North Carolina gaffe then said he'll let the states decide.[/QUOTE]I said specifically that leaving it up to the states doesn't mean he's opposed to it. All that does is follow the Republican's small government stance and pass the buck to state legislatures. [QUOTE]For all his [I]implied[/I] support for LGBTQ, he has done nothing to stop the RNC platform officially amending they still want to fight for traditional marriage and support gay conversion therapy which are torture camps for LGBTQ youth nor spoke against any of them. His VP is one of the most social conservative man out there.[/QUOTE]Then I guess hope with your little heart that he doesn't get assassinated, I imagine the choice of Pence was to appease the ones with money (he's been starving for funds this whole time by the way) so they don't do something interesting like back Johnson. [QUOTE]You're literally depending him on to be a secret liberal will spring out in surprise and say "JUST KIDDING! CIVIL RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE!"[/QUOTE]I keep telling you people this but here goes. [B]I'm not depending on Donald Trump to do a goddamn thing. I don't support Donald Trump, I'm voting for [U]Gary[/U] [U]fucking[/U] [U]Johnson[/U] which should be perfectly obvious by now. I keep saying this over and over but you people are so fucking stuck on this tribalist mindset that anything even peripherally pro-Trump sets you off. It's amazing, in another thread I pointed out the ridiculousness of saying he's "constitutionally ignorant" because he said "articles" versus "amendments" and people literally threw a fucking fit. I'm still convinced that Trump is just a buffoon RINO who's setting the stage to throw the election for Hillary. I'm not sure how serious I am about this position, but it doesn't really matter either way because my vote is already decided.[/B] With all of that said, I eagerly await the next time the leftist herd charges off a cliff to prove me wrong about a candidate I don't support. [editline]make it look pretty, fix some stuff[/editline] Oh wow! Look, it's already happened! [QUOTE=plunger435;50788238]High praise.[/QUOTE]Tough tits, I only voted for Obama to keep Palin out of office in the event McCain died. [QUOTE]Actually you didn't say you were voting for Johnson, you said you were voting for Trump. See below quote:[/QUOTE]I see you're still blubbering about that thread, glad to know I upset you that much. Since we're digging let's see what I can find: [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50773704]I'm voting for Johnson,[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50759324]I'll vote for Johnson.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50759324]I'm voting for Johnson.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50753492]fully committed to vote for Johnson[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50752911]I feel the same way, but I'm still committed to Johnson.[/QUOTE] There's more of course but I think that's way, [I]way[/I] above and beyond to prove you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm not even sure why you're arguing with me about what [I][B][U]I[/U] said[/B][/I] but hey you're the type of person to dig up old forum posts to prove a point and leap over weeks of evidence to the contrary. [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] It's like you had something in your head and just really really hoped I wouldn't remember I can also use the search function. Or maybe you had that thread bookmarked, I seriously would not be surprised if you've waited all this time to "get me" with it despite (hopefully) knowing you would completely fuck the family dog in the process. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Calm down?" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788282]Your entire post can be refuted with this:[/QUOTE] You actually took his evolving quote out of context, he says he's evolving, but still doesn't support same-sex marriage, here's the full quote. [QUOTE]I think I’m evolving, and I think I’m a very fair person, but I have been for traditional marriage. I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/thomas-roberts-donald-trump-interview[/URL] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788282]Tough tits, I only voted for Obama to keep Palin out of office in the event McCain died.[/QUOTE] You said you were praising him just a few seconds ago though? [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788282][B]I see you're still blubbering about that thread, glad to know I upset you that much.[/B] Since we're digging let's see what I can find: There's more of course but I think that's way, [I]way[/I] above and beyond to prove you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm not even sure why you're arguing with me about what [I][B][U]I[/U] said[/B][/I] but [B]hey you're the type of person to dig up old forum posts to prove a point and leap over weeks of evidence to the contrary.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788282]It's like you had something in your head and just really really hoped I wouldn't remember I can also use the search function. Or maybe you had that thread bookmarked, I seriously would not be surprised if you've waited all this time to "get me" with it despite (hopefully) knowing you would completely fuck the family dog in the process.[/QUOTE] All I did was put the posts you were talking about in context. No need to try and personally attack me for finding it when you brought it up. [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788187]You know I'm voting for Johnson, you've known for months now. You've all but said I was an idiot for not voting for Clinton and then handwaved it away as a vote taken from Trump when you realized I wasn't going to budge.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788282] Yet somehow he managed to piss off the Koch brothers and friends so much that they refused to endorse him. This is one aspect of that, so again he's either the one who splits the party or everything's fine. Pick one. I said specifically that leaving it up to the states doesn't mean he's opposed to it. All that does is follow the Republican's small government stance and pass the buck to state legislatures. Then I guess hope with your little heart that he doesn't get assassinated, I imagine the choice of Pence was to appease the ones with money (he's been starving for funds this whole time by the way) so they don't do something interesting like back Johnson. I keep telling you people this but here goes. [B]I'm not depending on Donald Trump to do a goddamn thing. I don't support Donald Trump, I'm voting for [U]Gary[/U] [U]fucking[/U] [U]Johnson[/U] which should be perfectly obvious by now. I keep saying this over and over but you people are so fucking stuck on this tribalist mindset that anything even peripherally pro-Trump sets you off. It's amazing, in another thread I pointed out the ridiculousness of saying he's "constitutionally ignorant" because he said "articles" versus "amendments" and people literally threw a fucking fit. I'm still convinced that Trump is just a buffoon RINO who's setting the stage to throw the election for Hillary. I'm not sure how serious I am about this position, but it doesn't really matter either way because my vote is already decided.[/B] With all of that said, I eagerly await the next time the leftist herd charges off a cliff to prove me wrong about a candidate I don't support. [/QUOTE] he didn't piss off the koch brothers, he made them wary of betting on him. its literally PR, you really think koch cares lmao? trump even helps the dude with his policies "leave it up to the states" leads to "until my conservative appointed judges works with republicans to reverse every single civil liberties that has been advanced" and lastly, idgaf who you support lmao im just against any idea or trying to wash out that trump's policies are homophobic and nowhere supportive of lgbtq like so many actual trump supporters beleive you see it as throwing a fit, i see it as correcting a stupid misconception r u ok lad
[QUOTE=plunger435;50788298]You actually took his evolving quote out of context, he says he's evolving, but still doesn't support same-sex marriage, here's the full quote. [url]http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/thomas-roberts-donald-trump-interview[/url][/QUOTE]No, I read his statement just fine. He's clearly been on the fence for a long time which isn't surprising since he's from New York and it's probably difficult to be unapologetic about one's own rampant homophobia in such an environment. I'm just guessing though, I've never physically lived in New York City but as far as I understand it the city is [I]full[/I] of all kinds of people. [QUOTE]You said you were praising him just a few seconds ago though?[/QUOTE][I]So what?[/I] I wasn't enthusiastic about voting for him back then, I couldn't possibly have known what kind of president he would be. [QUOTE]All I did was put the posts you were talking about in context. No need to try and personally attack me for finding it.[/QUOTE]Odd you went straight to the one that got you [I]so bothered[/I] that you argued with me for pages, especially when I've made it clear in several threads I'm unapologetic about voting for Johnson despite the Shillarites screaming bloody murder. Actually the post you quoted? [I]That was my whole point, that was the principles I was talking about, being forced to abandon my third-party position in favor of a major candidate.[/I] Like then it seems to have sailed so far over your head NASA is tracking it in orbit. Oh, and you didn't put anything in context. You dug up a month old post where I made a hyperbolic statement (some would even call it a shitpost) and tried to use it to club me to death like a baby seal, so don't cry about any "personal attack" you feel. You're the fucking guy who opened up this can of worms and I'm glad to make you eat it.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788343]No, I read his statement just fine. He's clearly been on the fence for a long time which isn't surprising since [B]he's from New York and it's probably difficult to be unapologetic about one's own rampant homophobia in such an environment.[/B] I'm just guessing though, I've never physically lived in New York City but as far as I understand it the city is [I]full[/I] of all kinds of people.[/QUOTE] If we're at the point where we're calling Trump a rampant homophobe, I think we can say he's not for same-sex marriage. Not to mention the original same-sex marriage post was in reply to Pvt. Martin.
I could honestly care less over some stupid post or how long it took to find. Literally arguing about the pettiest shit good lord [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] Dunno what's worse, you trying to prove to him how long it took to find his stupid post or you trying to make it a point of interest
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;50788321]im just against any idea or trying to wash out that trump's policies are homophobic and nowhere supportive of lgbtq like so many actual trump supporters beleive[/QUOTE]I'm against a lot of stupid shit that happens on this board, namely the double standards regarding the candidates. I've been extremely critical of both, pointed out stupid things they've said, but being in the middle I can say that it's clear the rabid leftists are the ones who cannot handle adversity. Plus the notion that Trump is either too progressive and is gutting the Republican party is [I]the complete antithesis[/I] of the shit you're shoveling right now. Quite frankly you, I, fucking [I]everyone[/I] who doesn't know the guy personally has no idea what his policies really are so you can't really say he'll do one thing or another. That's one of the major reasons why I'm not voting for him, he's been meandering around the big-business left point of view and that's at odds with my rural center independent point of view and I don't think he's clear on a goddamn thing. So far he hasn't done much to convince me I ought to vote for him but I'm [I]not[/I] going to claim I know the guy's policies when he's so far been infamous for having little plan for anything. (didn't Tim Kaine say something about that? I know Howard Dean did) You're not correcting any misconceptions because you're just as clueless as everyone else. [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=plunger435;50788359]If we're at the point where we're calling Trump a rampant homophobe, I think we can say he's not for same-sex marriage.[/QUOTE]I'm going off of your implications, I'm not calling him anything. [QUOTE=Laferio;50788361]I could honestly care less over some stupid post or how long it took to find. Literally arguing about the pettiest shit good lord [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] Dunno what's worse, you trying to prove to him how long it took to find his stupid post or you trying to make it a point of interest[/QUOTE]If it bothers you that much then use the ignore function, I don't know why you're crying about it. [editline]28th July 2016[/editline] Really though is it truly so bad that the Republican party has been [I]forced[/I] to be more pro-LGBT by this campaign? Go ahead and make a fuss about it, as far as I can see it's making the Republicans acknowledge their roots (they were the anti-slavery party back in the day) every time you call them a pack of homophobes. They puff up their chests, rally together, and yell about how wrong you are because this, that, and those other dudes are [I]totally gay[/I] and at the RNC there was loud applause for pro-LGBT sentiment and Donald Trump even commented how great that was. Peter Thiel, for all of his faults, got a loud and positive response from the crowd when he said he was a proud gay Republican. I see this as a good thing.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50786217] What a coward. Obama and Sasnders did an open one in a general, default subreddit. Trump is doing it in his own country with only suggested questions. Sad![/QUOTE] You cant be serious... trump and the /pol/loniunites his character attracts its obvious these measures are necessary or else it would be better not to hold the AMA or it will turn in a shitfest. You can still vote in bs questions btw...
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50788370]Really though is it truly so bad that the Republican party has been [I]forced[/I] to be more pro-LGBT by this campaign? Go ahead and make a fuss about it, as far as I can see it's making the Republicans acknowledge their roots (they were the anti-slavery party back in the day) every time you call them a pack of homophobes. They puff up their chests, rally together, and yell about how wrong you are because this, that, and those other dudes are [I]totally gay[/I] and at the RNC there was loud applause for pro-LGBT sentiment and Donald Trump even commented how great that was. Peter Thiel, for all of his faults, got a loud and positive response from the crowd when he said he was a proud gay Republican. I see this as a good thing.[/QUOTE] Because I vote Republican for financial reasons, and it's laughable when a bunch of people try telling me I should [I]really[/I] be doing it because they're the pro-LGBT party, when I've known since I registered that that isn't the case.
Honestly I think it's pretty cool to see one of the more exciting elections of our lifetimes. It really opens up some eyes as to what's really going on in the world of politics, and provides countless invaluable life lessons. With that being said, I definitely think this is going to be one memorable election. Nothing is more valuable than learning about the political process.
[QUOTE=Laferio;50788405]Honestly I think it's pretty cool to see one of the more exciting elections of our lifetimes. It really opens up some eyes as to what's really going on in the world of politics, and provides countless invaluable life lessons. With that being said, I definitely think this is going to be one memorable election. Nothing is more valuable than learning about the political process.[/QUOTE] It's certainly not as cut and dry as 2012.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50788397]You cant be serious... trump and the /pol/loniunites his character attracts its obvious these measures are necessary or else it would be better not to hold the AMA or it will turn in a shitfest. You can still vote in bs questions btw...[/QUOTE] Or maybe he'd get some actual critical questions and everyone would be able to see that he won't (or can't) answer them. Either way we'll never know because he went into the Trump forum, got some uncritical questions, and then he commented "X thing is great, Y thing is bad, we really have to work on Z!"
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