Democratic National Convention & Protests Super(delegate)thread - Goodbye, Bernie
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[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50795943]That was not the question though... The question was who was pro gay marriage first and is it factual to say trump was consistently against it...
And in that context hillary comes out woefully behind.
The reason i trust trump more is because hillary is far more competent, they are both very dangerous in their own merits but one is hallowed by her party as the second coming and no opposition will be tolerated and the other is a blubbering baffoon that is begrudgingly given the nomination while a snickering, trolling anti establishment majority voted him in... Rather have the second one and 4 years of trump antics embarrassment of the nation while he cannot get any compromise to pass if his life depended on it... His ego wont allow anything but complete victory and he is in a hostile political environment. Trust me, on my life... Those launch codes are staying inside the football.
[editline]29th July 2016[/editline]
To make it impossible for retardicans to repeal the vote willy nilly.[/QUOTE]
personally I wouldn't mind if both Trump and Clinton ended up being disintegrated, but there's something to be said for electing a buffoon with an ego the size of Mt. Rushmore to the oval office. Clinton at least has clearly outlined policies towards solving several problems we have extant at present, while Trump's policies will lead to stagnation at best and a nightmare of debt and the economy going tits up at worst.
Also I'm not inclined in trusting some bonehead who thinks global warming is a conspiracy who also said he'd gut the department of education and will install likeminded morons in the Chief Justice's chair of the SCOTUS.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50795943]That was not the question though... The question was who was pro gay marriage first and is it factual to say trump was consistently against it...
And in that context hillary comes out woefully behind.
The reason i trust trump more is because hillary is far more competent, they are both very dangerous in their own merits but one is hallowed by her party as the second coming and no opposition will be tolerated and the other is a blubbering baffoon that is begrudgingly given the nomination while a snickering, trolling anti establishment majority voted him in... Rather have the second one and 4 years of trump antics embarrassment of the nation while he cannot get any compromise to pass if his life depended on it... His ego wont allow anything but complete victory and he is in a hostile political environment. Trust me, on my life... Those launch codes are staying inside the football.
[editline]29th July 2016[/editline]
To make it impossible for retardicans to repeal the vote willy nilly.[/QUOTE]
Trump is consistently inconsistent about everything. I don't know what his thoughts are on it since he'll say the exact opposite the next day. Hillary changed her stance on it as public opinion changed, and since then [url=http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/12/clinton-gay-rights-are-human-rights-and-human-rights-are-gay-rights/]has been a major proponent for it[/url].
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50796084]4 years (or even 8) will be wasted. this is valuable time that could be spent on trying to save the environment, improve lgbt rights, fix the economy, reform law, etc
if people vote in trump we'll see a stagnation of these at best. at a time when things like global warming have to be taken seriously, having an anti-intellectual president who thinks global warming is a chinese hoax in power will make your grandchildren really fucking resent you[/QUOTE]
hillary reorganising usa democracy the way she restacked the deck of the democratic primary and even the party itself... Thats what kids will resent us for... Climate change is being worked on by more then one government and even if the USA lags behind even further, not turning in a real out in the open oligarchy should take priority... Without USA stability none of the western countries have a shot in hell at climate change.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50796271]hillary reorganising usa democracy the way she restacked the deck of the democratic primary and even the party itself... Thats what kids will resent us for... Climate change is being worked on by more then one government and even if the USA lags behind even further, not turning in a real out in the open oligarchy should take priority... Without USA stability none of the western countries have a shot in hell at climate change.[/QUOTE]
but trump would be in charge of the most powerful country on earth
the USA is often seen as a leader or someplace to look up to amongst the poorer or more oppressed nations. what view will that be when their president believes major scientific facts to be fabrications and has the shittiest foreign policy of any president?
trump thinks vaccines cause autism. he denies global warming. he mocks disabled people and treats women like sex objects. this is not a man who should be a role model or in a position of authority
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50796271]hillary reorganising usa democracy the way she restacked the deck of the democratic primary and even the party itself... Thats what kids will resent us for... Climate change is being worked on by more then one government and even if the USA lags behind even further, not turning in a real out in the open oligarchy should take priority... [B]Without USA stability none of the western countries have a shot in hell at climate change.[/B][/QUOTE]
Pretty good argument for not electing Trump.
The US is the second largest exporter of carbon emissions to the atmosphere. On top of simply letting out a lot of gas, the US declining to be part of climate deals would be disastrous - how do you convince China to make itself less competitive if the US doesn't want to [I]at all[/I]?
You'd have to be positively brain dead to think the US not participating in climate deals wouldn't be disastrous for progress in this area.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50796335]but trump would be in charge of the most powerful country on earth
the USA is often seen as a leader or someplace to look up to amongst the poorer or more oppressed nations. what view will that be when their president believes major scientific facts to be fabrications and has the shittiest foreign policy of any president?
trump thinks vaccines cause autism. he denies global warming. he mocks disabled people and treats women like sex objects. this is not a man who should be a role model or in a position of authority[/QUOTE]
Gwb thought the same, those countries will just have to pick better role models. What are they to think if in 12 years 3th term president clinton gets her emails leaked again and it appears she has half the world in her pocket and gets to personally pick the next president before we even get to
Know them publicly?
Having her be secretary was already disastrous. Just look at how she pocketed the dem party... How she stole that election... But yes, lets vote her into the most powerful nation in the world... That will go great!
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50796383]Gwb thought the same, those countries will just have to pick better role models. What are they to think if in 12 years 3th term president clinton gets her emails leaked again and it appears she has half the world in her pocket and gets to personally pick the next president before we even get to
Know them publicly?
Having her be secretary was already disastrous. Just look at how she pocketed the dem party... How she stole that election... But yes, lets vote her into the most powerful nation in the world... That will go great![/QUOTE]
3th term? What?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50796393]3th term? What?[/QUOTE]
he seems to think clinton will get elected to a third term of president somehow after messing with the amendment preventing somebody serving more than 2 terms
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50796383]Gwb thought the same, those countries will just have to pick better role models. What are they to think if in 12 years 3th term president clinton gets her emails leaked again and it appears she has half the world in her pocket and gets to personally pick the next president before we even get to
Know them publicly?
Having her be secretary was already disastrous. Just look at how she pocketed the dem party... How she stole that election... But yes, lets vote her into the most powerful nation in the world... That will go great![/QUOTE]
Okay, now I know you don't know anything about how the U.S. government works
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50796383]Gwb thought the same, those countries will just have to pick better role models. What are they to think if in 12 years 3th term president clinton gets her emails leaked again and it appears she has half the world in her pocket and gets to personally pick the next president before we even get to
Know them publicly?
Having her be secretary was already disastrous. Just look at how she pocketed the dem party... How she stole that election... But yes, lets vote her into the most powerful nation in the world... That will go great![/QUOTE]
If you're going to throw out wild scenarios about either candidate then at least expand upon how, why and the consequences of such an action. You would be the first to complain if Hillary supporters started saying Bernie was going to follow Pol Pot's lead because he wanted farmers in the Federal Reserve.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50796400]he seems to think clinton will get elected to a third term of president somehow after messing with the amendment preventing somebody serving more than 2 terms[/QUOTE]
Its called a satirical critique, ofc she wont be able to do things so blatantly, but then again her mails have proven she will go as far as she can get away with.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50796590]Its called a satirical critique, ofc she wont be able to do things so blatantly, but then again her mails have proven she will go as far as she can get away with.[/QUOTE]
'I was just kidding guys, this is not a backpeddle because I was wrong, honest!'
Satire is supposed to be funny.
[url]https://medium.com/@ccmccain/for-this-republican-never-trump-means-im-with-her-10321e751c6d#.8unnknjeb[/url]
If you're a Republican and either a moderate or a neoconservative, read this.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50796590]Its called a satirical critique, ofc she wont be able to do things so blatantly, but then again her mails have proven she will go as far as she can get away with.[/QUOTE]
So you're going to support the person who is matter of factly more narcaccistic, and more self absorbed, and involved in several lawsuits over the dubious legality of his options beucase you genuinely believe Clinton is going to turn the US into a dictator ship when the most dictatorial of the candidates is YOUR chosen leader?
A man who literally espouses the [B]exact same things dictators actively espouse[/B] and you and the rest of the Trumpets are willing to be played so this man can take control of the nation and actively fuck it up so he's better off at the end of it?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50797636]So you're going to support the person who is matter of factly more narcaccistic, and more self absorbed, and involved in several lawsuits over the dubious legality of his options beucase you genuinely believe Clinton is going to turn the US into a dictator ship when the most dictatorial of the candidates is YOUR chosen leader?
A man who literally espouses the [B]exact same things dictators actively espouse[/B] and you and the rest of the Trumpets are willing to be played so this man can take control of the nation and actively fuck it up so he's better off at the end of it?[/QUOTE]
And less politically relevant and dangerous... yes
yes, i will.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50797655]And less politically relevant and dangerous... yes
yes, i will.[/QUOTE]
So you'll vote for a wannabe dictator who will default on the US debt, and create a tax paradise for billionaires.
You find this man more relatable to you than Hilary, though Trump lives in a gold plated mansion worth more money than you'll ever make?
You know, I actually give up on trying to understand the connection you Trumpets are making. There is no connection. You're just making a random choice because you're frustrated.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50796603]'I was just kidding guys, this is not a backpeddle because I was wrong, honest!'
Satire is supposed to be funny.[/QUOTE]
Or so painfully close to the truth when saying something clearly false... some satire is made for cringe.
Do you believe i think she could also get half the world in her pocket and personally gets to pick the next prez before we know them too?
Either way, when you resort to these kind of comments it basically means you have no substantive response.
Yes i fear hillary powergrabbing and hooking in even further in the democratic party and the white house if she gets president, no i dont believe trump has the same capabilities.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50797673]Or so painfully close to the truth when saying something clearly false... some satire is made for cringe.
Do you believe i think she could also get half the world in her pocket and personally gets to pick the next prez before we know them too?
Either way, when you resort to these kind of comments it basically means you have no substantive response.
Yes i fear hillary powergrabbing and hooking in even further in the democratic party and the white house if she gets president, no i dont believe trump has the same capabilities.[/QUOTE]
noone who thinks Hillary will become some kind of monarch has ever backed it up with anything or suggested how she might do it
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50797499][url]https://medium.com/@ccmccain/for-this-republican-never-trump-means-im-with-her-10321e751c6d#.8unnknjeb[/url]
If you're a Republican and either a moderate or a neoconservative, read this.[/QUOTE]I said back when he originally talked shit about McCain that I was, "glad I'm not a Republican, I'd hate that moral dilemma if he got nominated."
anyone know anything about the rumour that bernie left the democratic party to again be an independent senator?
I would imagine he'd have to, considering he was voted in as an Independent.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50798415]I would imagine he'd have to, considering he was voted in as an Independent.[/QUOTE]
Yea but i thought he was going to campaign with clinton to beat trump and stuff.
He can still campaign with Clinton, it's not like you have to be a card carrying member of the Democrats. Throughout his entire campaign there was a question of what he really identified as and his Senate documents still have him marked as an Independent.
Folks let's take a step back here, Both candidates are equally terrible, to debate which one is worse will get us nowhere.
The best thing to do is to just point and laugh.
[QUOTE=Shirt.;50801279]Folks let's take a step back here, Both candidates are equally terrible, to debate which one is worse will get us nowhere.
The best thing to do is to just point and laugh.[/QUOTE]
Considering whoever wins US presidency will have heavy consequences for entire world, it's not exactly a laughing matter.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50795166][URL]http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/9/28/read-donald-trumps-advocate-interview-where-he-defends-gays-mexicans[/URL][/QUOTE]
if someone had this article and nothing else to go on, I can see why they'd vote for trump
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50796084]at a time when things like global warming have to be taken seriously, having an anti-intellectual president who thinks global warming is a chinese hoax in power will make your grandchildren really fucking resent you[/QUOTE]
If I ever have children and grandchildren, I think they'll resent the fuck out of my generation because we've known the environment was on a fast train to shitsville since the 90s and we have done sweet fuck all ever since except for some feel-good tin can and newspaper recycling that [I]some[/I] communities engage in. Because to do otherwise isn't profitable.
But I digress.
[QUOTE=CroGamer002;50801291]Considering whoever wins US presidency will have heavy consequences for entire world, it's not exactly a laughing matter.[/QUOTE]
But what else can you realistically do?
[QUOTE=Shirt.;50801796]But what else can you realistically do?[/QUOTE]
Weep
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