• NYPD Hits Kid With Hands Raised, Then Hit Him With Gun
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Theres a lot more of this going on than what gets reported in NYC. Because of its large size, its near impossible to have quality policing. You're going to have lower-standard officers because they cant afford the training that smaller, suburb-like, departments can. Not to mention the only education requirement for NYPD is 60 credit hours.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46182851]There's that word again.[/QUOTE] Well that's what people are doing in this thread lol People are blaming the victim for being a part of police brutality.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46182888]Theres a lot more of this going on than what gets reported in NYC. Because of its large size, its near impossible to have quality policing. You're going to have lower-standard officers because they cant afford the training that smaller, suburb-like, departments can. Not to mention the only education requirement for NYPD is 60 credit hours.[/QUOTE] Which is higher then most police departments that just need a HS Diploma and good score on the service exam
[QUOTE=General J;46182771]stop victim blaming yes a teenager with drugs at 2am is probably doing illegal stuff and should probably be arrested because of that, it justifies getting your teeth smashed with a pistol after you've surrendered, and then getting kicked while you're down after you surrender?[/QUOTE] I love how dramatic you make it sound when all that happened was this dumbass decided to run from the police in the first place, then had them subdue him with force to keep him from attempting to run off again until backup arrived 20 seconds later. They didn't savagely beat him, they didn't cuff him and then torture him. One of the cops hit him ONCE in the face, the kid backed up against the wall, and then cowered down as they subdued him. This isn't police brutality. Oscar Grant's murder was police brutality, Kelly Thomas' beating and death from his injuries were examples of police brutality, and that weird fucker in California who was a cop and also happened to be sexually assaulting and raping women... self-explanatory. And more importantly, this kid is not a victim of police brutality. But fuck it. People always get overemotional and worked up anytime a cop does anything, justified or not. Some call for blood, some for more lenient punishment. And then the armchair warriors show up and start exclaiming how they should have done such and such differently, how this and that were uncalled for, etc. Just goes to show how predictable people are, and how upset and excited they'll get at any form of violence, even if it's justified.
[QUOTE=Govna;46183070]cops hit him ONCE in the face[/QUOTE] this is police brutality it literally does not matter if they only did it once (lmao), it's police brutality.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46181630]"Suspended" "Paid vacation" Seriously, I wish I could take my handgun and smack a kid in the mouth and get paid time off.[/QUOTE] A. Op on the forums told us what suspension or as you put, a paid vacation. I can't remember it word for word. It. Basically it is far from a paid vacation.
[QUOTE=nomad1;46183171]A. Op on the forums told us what suspension or as you put, a paid vacation. I can't remember it word for word. It. Basically it is far from a paid vacation.[/QUOTE] Garrity? [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1s01lr/most_common_myth/cdslvma[/url]
[QUOTE=General J;46182771]stop victim blaming yes a teenager with drugs at 2am is probably doing illegal stuff and should probably be arrested because of that, it justifies getting your teeth smashed with a pistol after you've surrendered, and then getting kicked while you're down after you surrender?[/QUOTE] Probably? A teenager with drugs at 2am is already committing one crime. Seventeen baggie of a drug is also grounds for being charged with another crime. Running from police is a third. Yes the officers committed a crime as well, but the kid is far from innocent. Everyone walks away from this looking bad, especially the officers.
yes why is it dumb what I'm pointing out? It's stupid to say "welllll he shouldn't really have been doing x now should he?" why is it dumb to point out victim blaming when that's essentially what's going on? Police should not be assaulting someone who is surrending. There is a BIG difference from forcefully stratling someone to the ground that resisted arrest, and jamming a pistol into someones mouth after they've given up. You even said it yourself the cops committed a crime here as well. It's one thing for a kid running drugs to commit a crime but just because he is that doesn't make it morally okay for them to do it to. Did anyone else ever bother to think that just [I]maybe[/I] this kid is running because he's already had a similar experience with this kind of treatment? Either from himself or someone he knew, and that he's scared or afraid of getting arrested for [I]this[/I] very reason? That maybe this kid is running from the cops not because he's afraid of losing his weed but instead getting the shit beat out of him?
[QUOTE=General J;46183494]It's one thing for a kid running drugs to commit a crime [b]but just because he is that doesn't make it morally okay for them to do it too.[/b][/QUOTE] He didn't say it was.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46183151]this is police brutality it literally does not matter if they only did it once (lmao), it's police brutality.[/QUOTE] Use of force to subdue an individual is not police brutality. Verbal and physical restraint, and less lethal force (what was used here) are all legitimate. We can argue the legalese of this situation all day; fact is, the kid was carrying pot on him and ran from the police. They were completely within their rights to use force as they did here to subdue him so they could arrest him, especially given that he could've tried to run off on them again otherwise (he already tried once). People really need to learn what police brutality is. It's one of the most overused terms in the English language today, I'd bet, but this wasn't an excessive use of force. If you really want to argue, argue about why we need the legalization of marijuana or something. You'd probably be able to make a better case for that than you would for this as example of police brutality.
[QUOTE=n0cturni;46183573]He didn't say it was.[/QUOTE] I know that was more directed to the attitude of "well it's okay because he [I]was[/I] committing a crime" even though his post didn't contain it
[QUOTE=Govna;46183788]People really need to learn what police brutality is. It's one of the most overused terms in the English language today, I'd bet, but this wasn't an excessive use of force.[/QUOTE] Police brutality can join victim blaming and misogyny as overused and misused terms
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46184043]Police brutality can join victim blaming and misogyny as overused and misused terms[/QUOTE] Don't forget SJW.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46184043]Police brutality can join victim blaming and misogyny as overused and misused terms[/QUOTE] People need to know the difference between victim [I]precipitation[/I] and victim [I]blaming[/I]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46185229]People need to know the difference between victim [I]precipitation[/I] and victim [I]blaming[/I][/QUOTE] The fuck are you talking about? The kid turning around and putting his hands up as he cowered in the corner "precipitated" getting pistol-whipped?
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46185203]Don't forget SJW.[/QUOTE] SJW never had a meaning before it, but they're usually the cause of devaluing those words. There are lot more words they've devalued, but this is getting kind of off-topic. I just find it annoying when people immediately jump to words like victim blaming and use it completely wrong.
Taken from the comments of that news article - which makes sense. We don't know what happened beforehand or how the kid was acting and under the influence of the situation bad decisions are ought to be made.. “As usual, the video fails to capture the offense that resulted in police action or the lengthy foot pursuit that culminated in the arrest,” said the police union rep charged with defending these guys in the press. “Situations like this one happen in real time under great stress. It’s very easy to be judgmental in the comfort of an office while sitting in front of a video screen.”
[QUOTE=BazzBerry;46185602]Taken from the comments of that news article - which makes sense. We don't know what happened beforehand or how the kid was acting and under the influence of the situation bad decisions are ought to be made.. “As usual, the video fails to capture the offense that resulted in police action or the lengthy foot pursuit that culminated in the arrest,” said the police union rep charged with defending these guys in the press. “Situations like this one happen in real time under great stress. It’s very easy to be judgmental in the comfort of an office while sitting in front of a video screen.”[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter what was happening before. I can MAYBE understand the first punch. The subsequent pistol whipping and beat down when he was on the ground is a grossly excessive use of a force. Watch the whole video. He's lying on the ground not doing a fucking thing and the officers still throw in a random punch and kick instead of just immediately slapping cuffs on him. Running from the police does not justify getting your teeth smashed in.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46181630]"Suspended" "Paid vacation" Seriously, I wish I could take my handgun and smack a kid in the mouth and get paid time off.[/QUOTE] I pooped from cringing so hard you didn't' even read the article's [B]BOLD PRINT[/B] and not only that even if you did and that was the case you'd still make a very bad point
Those do not look like NYPD uniforms in the video. However, it could be the colour of the video offsetting it. But those do not look like NYPD officers. There's a lot of different Police departments operating in NYC at any given time, article is a bit vague. [editline]9th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=halflambada;46182683]and that didn't tip off their superiors that maybe these two are fucking bad at their jobs because?[/QUOTE] Every cop in NYC has a huge list of CCRB accusations, 99.9% of the time they're complete bullshit. People don't like being arrested, and the first place they go to is CCRB. Saying they've been ACCUSED of this before, especially here in NYC, does not mean shit unless the Board finds it substantial. The media absolutely loves to run with public access CCRB complaints and it's one of the most dishonest things journalists do.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46182922]Well that's what people are doing in this thread lol People are blaming the victim for being a part of police brutality.[/QUOTE]Nah, I don't think so, they went after him for a reason. It's not victim blaming to assert that when you're being a shady character you're going to attract attention, which is exactly what happened. Victim blaming would be saying that he did [i]something[/i] to actually make them hit him, that he deserved it, which he didn't! That's why this is an unacceptable example of police brutality, they could have easily subdued him without the physical violence and their actions were thoroughly unjustified.
[QUOTE=HammerBrute;46181353]op forgot this [QUOTE=Post] Tribble was charged with possession of 17 small baggies of marijuana in a small black bag — Afanador hits him in the face with it at the end — along with disorderly conduct. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] Slapping people with pot-baggies is actually acceptable in my group of friends though, so this should be K. [editline]9th October 2014[/editline] You know NEXT to the other smacks and whatnot.
God F'CKING dammit! Can't believe this shit still happens!
Why would it have stopped all of a sudden?
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[QUOTE=Govna;46183788]Use of force to subdue an individual is not police brutality. Verbal and physical restraint, and less lethal force (what was used here) are all legitimate. We can argue the legalese of this situation all day; fact is, the kid was carrying pot on him and ran from the police. They were completely within their rights to use force as they did here to subdue him so they could arrest him, especially given that he could've tried to run off on them again otherwise (he already tried once). People really need to learn what police brutality is. It's one of the most overused terms in the English language today, I'd bet, but this wasn't an excessive use of force. If you really want to argue, argue about why we need the legalization of marijuana or something. You'd probably be able to make a better case for that than you would for this as example of police brutality.[/QUOTE] clearly you know more about proper force than the police department that hired these guys considering that one officer was told to fuck off "less lethal force" what [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-lethal_weapon[/url] find the back of a metal gun or something of the such in the list of non lethal weapons
Haha christ there is literally no act of police brutality so awful that some people on this forum won't defend it. "Unarmed teenager gets smashed in the face as he tries to surrender? His fault for having a bunch of pot on him; nevermind the fact that we all agree that marijuana should be decriminalized."
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;46194177]Haha christ there is literally no act of police brutality so awful that some people on this forum won't defend it. "Unarmed teenager gets smashed in the face as he tries to surrender? His fault for having a bunch of pot on him; nevermind the fact that we all agree that marijuana should be decriminalized."[/QUOTE] Mr. Snip
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