A Chinese SWAT Officer Shows How To 'Control' A Rioter
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;42728454]it villified a villain, a guy who executed an unarmed man with no trial or process.[/QUOTE]
A guy who was just trying to do what he thought was right, a guy who executed a mass murdering war criminal in the middle of a war, a guy who had to flee the country in the fall of Saigon only to have his life destroyed a second time when his identity was re-revealed in the US.
To quote the man responsible for the photograph:
[quote=Eddie Adams]The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American soldiers?"[/quote]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;42728568]A guy who was just trying to do what he thought was right, a guy who executed a mass murdering war criminal in the middle of a war, a guy who had to flee the country in the fall of Saigon only to have his life destroyed a second time when his identity was re-revealed in the US.
To quote the man responsible for the photograph:[/QUOTE]
yea yea please spare me ur war criminal apologizing i don't need to hear people justify murder.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42728682]yea yea please spare me ur war criminal apologizing i don't need to hear people justify murder.[/QUOTE]
The irony is that by supporting Lem, you're the one who's being a war criminal apologist.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;42728776]The irony is that by supporting Lem, you're the one who's being a war criminal apologist.[/QUOTE]
i don't support lem, i am disgusted with his execution
[editline]2nd November 2013[/editline]
i hate the death penalty does that make me a murderer apologist?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42728778]i don't support lem, i am disgusted with his execution
[editline]2nd November 2013[/editline]
i hate the death penalty does that make me a murderer apologist?[/QUOTE]
Answer honestly: do you really not see the diffirence between this and death penalty?
[QUOTE=gudman;42730324]Answer honestly: do you really not see the diffirence between this and death penalty?[/QUOTE]
yea this is cold blooded murder while the death penalty at least has due process involved.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;42730331]yea this is cold blooded murder while the death penalty at least has due process involved.[/QUOTE]
Lmao
[editline]1st November 2013[/editline]
He was caught in the act of burying bodies, and was a MASSIVE threat.
Welcome to wartime.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42730331]yea this is cold blooded murder while the death penalty at least has due process involved.[/QUOTE]
Okay, you're wrong. Because you can't call this one "cold blooded", this action has loads of affects behind it. Unlike death penatly, that really is "cold blooded", by definition.
Next question, are you 15 by any chance? Because your idealism is astounding.
[QUOTE=katbug;42730570]Lmao
[editline]1st November 2013[/editline]
He was caught in the act of burying bodies, and was a MASSIVE threat.
Welcome to wartime.[/QUOTE]
yea he's a massive threat sitting there handcuffed.
[QUOTE=gudman;42730604]Okay, you're wrong. Because you can't call this one "cold blooded", this action has loads of affects behind it. Unlike death penatly, that really is "cold blooded", by definition.
Next question, are you 15 by any chance? Because your idealism is astounding.[/QUOTE]
you're right about that. death penalty is more "cool" and calculated. either way the death penalty is at least [i]more[/i] justifiable because due process is involved. this was the death penalty without trial or appeal or representation.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;42728468]Lem executed South Vietnamese police officers and their families and was captured at one of the mass graves. If I was a police officer and standing face to face with a war criminal who was killing the wives and children of my friends, I wouldn't be able to stop myself from shooting him either.[/QUOTE]
uhm actually it was all suspected, none of it was actually proven
the point that yawmwen makes when theres no trial or due process is that he was executed without proof, which is bad acc. to him.
[editline]2nd November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;42728568]A guy who was just trying to do what he thought was right[/QUOTE]
everyone in the vietnam war was just doing what they thought was right
[QUOTE=thisispain;42730639]uhm actually it was all suspected, none of it was actually proven
the point that yawmwen makes when theres no trial or due process is that he was executed without proof, which is bad acc. to him.
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actually i think execution is bad on principle anyways. but if you are going to execute someone for a crime you should at least give them a fair trial and proper representation.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42730331]yea this is cold blooded murder while the death penalty at least has due process involved.[/QUOTE]
But even then, with due process, it could still be cold blooded murder. I am not to say they are exactly the same, but it only lightens or possibly proves their actions worthy of death.
[QUOTE=TwitchWitEt;42730657]But even then, with due process, it could still be cold blooded murder. I am not to say they are exactly the same, but it only lightens or possibly proves their actions worthy of death.[/QUOTE]
It's better to actually determine whether or not someone is actually guilty of a crime before killing them for it.
[QUOTE=1chains1;42726443]A picture is worth a thousand words, and most of them are generally assumptive bullshit.
[IMG]http://media.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/photos/images/2010/apr10/vietnam_sm/vietnam_sm14.jpg[/IMG]
I know the chinese government is pretty shit with it's human rights, but it is obvious that the entire point of the exercise was how to handle a violent offender, you can even see the big ass stick the guy was holding as a weapon.
edit- Furthermore this couldve been the split second in which the guy had been knocked down, for all we know that guy was up a split second ago and was merely knocked to the ground and still able to move. As an officer you're not going to let him get back up, you're going to tackle on top of him and hold him to the ground. It is a picture that was probably taken from an entire album and used exclusively for the reason it can be taken out of context.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, that was a [i]major[/i] killjoy. So much so that I had to [i]italics[/i].
[QUOTE=thisispain;42730639]uhm actually it was all suspected, none of it was actually proven
the point that yawmwen makes when theres no trial or due process is that he was executed without proof, which is bad acc. to him.
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He was caught burying bodies.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;42730940]He was caught burying bodies.[/QUOTE]
lots of people bury bodies without being implicit in the actual killing. that is really beside the point tho
[QUOTE=Griffster26;42730940]He was caught burying bodies.[/QUOTE]
does that justify shooting somebody without any kind of trial or anything like that
you know war has rules, right?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42730967]does that justify shooting somebody without any kind of trial or anything like that
you know war has rules, right?[/QUOTE]
The man was pretty much known to be a Vietcong who was the leading suspect in the murder of police officers.
He still broke the Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war by summarily executing the guy. He's no less of a war criminal because of "circumstances". If the rules don't apply to everyone, we might as well not have them.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;42728292]That photo exemplifies exactly what he is saying. That single photo caused a man who was trying to do the right thing to be vilified for the rest of his life. It's known as one of the most universally misunderstood photos ever.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I mean Hitler was only trying to do the right thing by Germany why does everyone hate him so much??
[QUOTE=thisispain;42730639]uhm actually it was all suspected, none of it was actually proven
the point that yawmwen makes when theres no trial or due process is that he was executed without proof, which is bad acc. to him.
[editline]2nd November 2013[/editline]
everyone in the vietnam war was just doing what they thought was right[/QUOTE]
None of it was proven at the time of his execution, no, but he has been since confirmed to be a vietcong member who was active at the time of his execution. And when he was executed, I would say that being found with other vietcong members burying bodies of women and children that were killed by the vietcong is pretty damning evidence.
[editline]2nd November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;42731869]Yeah I mean Hitler was only trying to do the right thing by Germany why does everyone hate him so much??[/QUOTE]
You sound like Glenn Beck. Hitler wasn't trying to do the right thing, he knew damn well what he was doing was wrong. You're comparing a man killing millions of innocent people to a man shooting one vietcong member who was killing women and children.
Wow i never thought id see people defending summary execution lol.
Would you be so apologetic if the viet cong captured an american soldier who killed a bunch of civilians on purpose and they shot him on the spot because "he was a massive threat"? Bullshit
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42733008]Wow i never thought id see people defending summary execution lol.
Would you be so apologetic if the viet cong captured an american soldier who killed a bunch of civilians on purpose and they shot him on the spot because "he was a massive threat"? Bullshit[/QUOTE]
If the soldiers had been the ones that participated in the My Lai massacre for example, then not really, no. Killing innocents in a time of war is the most barbaric thing a human being can do.
[QUOTE=jA_cOp;42731006]He still broke the Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war by summarily executing the guy. He's no less of a war criminal because of "circumstances". If the rules don't apply to everyone, we might as well not have them.[/QUOTE]
The Geneva Convention is meant to be something BOTH parties agree to. Why would you regularly break the rules set in place and then expect to be protected by them?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;42734243]If the soldiers had been the ones that participated in the My Lai massacre for example, then not really, no. Killing innocents in a time of war is the most barbaric thing a human being can do.[/QUOTE]
you're not in any position to label something barbaric when you support summary execution.
[editline]2nd November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bazsil;42734288]The Geneva Convention is meant to be something BOTH parties agree to. Why would you regularly break the rules set in place and then expect to be protected by them?[/QUOTE]
if the only thing stopping you from executing a defenseless prisoner is "the rules" then that just means you're a morally corrupt human being.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42734474]you're not in any position to label something barbaric when you support summary execution.
[editline]2nd November 2013[/editline]
if the only thing stopping you from executing a defenseless prisoner is "the rules" then that just means you're a morally corrupt human being.[/QUOTE]
People are complaining about the Geneva Convention, therefore I addressed the Geneva Convention.
Actually, not just people, YOU brought it up. Why cry about the convention being broken if it doesn't mean anything?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42734474]
if the only thing stopping you from executing a defenseless prisoner is "the rules" then that just means you're a morally corrupt human being.[/QUOTE]
And saying that speaks for your clear lack of expertise on what the war is. Yeah, in the time of war it happens a lot: the only thing that stops you from commiting war crimes like executing prisoners, is "the rules". They're made for this reason. Because war does just that to you, it corrupts your morals in the most basic way - you're there to kill people, or be killed. And then you see shit, and experience shit, and your judgments become clouded.
If you expect soldiers during war to be shining beacons of morality, I have bad news for you.
[quote]You sound like Glenn Beck. Hitler wasn't trying to do the right thing, he knew damn well what he was doing was wrong.[/quote]
[citation needed]
[QUOTE=Str4fe;42726666][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Tank_Man_Long_Shot_by_Stuart_Franklin.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
What a bunch of tools.
HOW ABOUT GOING AROUND YOU MORONS?!
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