• A Chinese SWAT Officer Shows How To 'Control' A Rioter
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[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42733008]Wow i never thought id see people defending summary execution lol. Would you be so apologetic if the viet cong captured an american soldier who killed a bunch of civilians on purpose and they shot him on the spot because "he was a massive threat"? Bullshit[/QUOTE] Yeah Because the US wasn't taking babies and strapping bombs to them, the US wasn't mass executing villages and raping the inhabitants, the US wasn't breaking every rule in the geneva convention simultaneously.
[QUOTE=Crazy;42735719]What a bunch of tools. HOW ABOUT GOING AROUND YOU MORONS?![/QUOTE] They did try to, but he kept getting in front of them, see how the lead of the line is curved while the rest is almost perfectly straight? The chinese are very uptight about their military presentation, the only reason they would break line like that is to go around.
Kinda weird they're calling them swat as opposed to what the unit is actually called. Like GSG, URNA etc.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;42726446]Looks like he's a bird that's just about to land.[/QUOTE] Footage of the brutal technique in action. [img]http://i.imgur.com/mGvzQZF.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42730331]yea this is cold blooded murder while the death penalty at least has due process involved.[/QUOTE] He was caught burying bodies and murdered multiple soldiers, civilians, and police officers. No I don't think he did anything wrong. [editline]2nd November 2013[/editline] And don't start the "hurr, can't murder soldiers in war." because he killed a soldier on leave. Lem was a murderer. Yes, there should have been a trial, but they couldn't exactly spare the resources.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42728682]yea yea please spare me ur war criminal apologizing i don't need to hear people justify murder.[/QUOTE] that was quite possibly the most frustrating thing I've ever read do you have any idea what you're saying? or are you doing a pathetic attempt at not properly retorting asteroid's post by saying "wow you fucking war criminal apologist, you're justifying murder"? you're so far off the point that you couldn't even begin to hope for it. it's as if you chose not to read and instead horribly fuck up. I'm honestly quite surprised how you did not get banned from that.
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[QUOTE=katbug;42735898]Yeah Because the US wasn't taking babies and strapping bombs to them, the US wasn't mass executing villages and raping the inhabitants, the US wasn't breaking every rule in the geneva convention simultaneously.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_lai[/url] ?
[QUOTE=katbug;42735898]Yeah Because the US wasn't taking babies and strapping bombs to them, the US wasn't mass executing villages and raping the inhabitants, the US wasn't breaking every rule in the geneva convention simultaneously.[/QUOTE] "He started it !!!1!!!1!!!!!"
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;42732543]None of it was proven at the time of his execution, no, but he has been since confirmed to be a vietcong member who was active at the time of his execution. And when he was executed, I would say that being found with other vietcong members burying bodies of women and children that were killed by the vietcong is pretty damning evidence.[/QUOTE] And we're meant to be sympathetic to Nguyễn Ngọc Loan because he was lucky enough to happen to murder an awful person? Did you watch Dexter and go 'wow this serial murderer is a really cool dude!'? [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=l337k1ll4;42734243]If the soldiers had been the ones that participated in the My Lai massacre for example, then not really, no. Killing innocents in a time of war is the most barbaric thing a human being can do.[/QUOTE] But killing people they don't know are either guilty or innocent is justifiable? Get fucked
we're sympathetic to Loan because the picture ruined his entire fucking life. It wasn't supposed to depict a senseless murder with no motive.
Often murdering people ruins your entire life, he was just lucky enough his life wasn't ruined by being in prison for the rest of it.
I don't see why everyone's so surprised that countries break the Geneva Conventions, it happens in every single war since their creation. There are so many soldiers it'd be impossible to control the actions of every one of them. Yeah, people make judgement calls too, and whether it's right or not doesn't really matter to them at the time. It'd be nice if everyone followed the rules of engagement, but when you're actually fighting in a war it's a bit more traumatic and intense then seeing it fifty or so years in the future.
[QUOTE=katbug;42735898]Yeah Because the US wasn't taking babies and strapping bombs to them, the US wasn't mass executing villages and raping the inhabitants, the US wasn't breaking every rule in the geneva convention simultaneously.[/QUOTE] actually the united states hit several villages where viet cong were suspected to be hiding out and they used flamethrowers to completely level the villages. in other villages south vietnamese soldiers killed tons of young men who were fighting age to try and lower viet cong numbers. in some villages everyone was rounded up and relocated so that they could be put under supervision by american/south vietnam military. ironically all these things ended up bolstering rural support for viet cong and lowering public opinion of the war at home. [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Moustacheman;42737760]He was caught burying bodies and murdered multiple soldiers, civilians, and police officers. No I don't think he did anything wrong. [editline]2nd November 2013[/editline] And don't start the "hurr, can't murder soldiers in war." because he killed a soldier on leave. Lem was a murderer. Yes, there should have been a trial, but they couldn't exactly spare the resources.[/QUOTE] by that logic he should have been treated like a p.o.w. like other people who are enemy combatants. if he was truly fighting south vietnamese forces then he was a soldier and you don't just execute captured soldiers. i'm not saying i don't understand the emotions or justification behind his execution, i'm saying that it was a war crime regardless. at the very least, the photo illustrates how terrible war is and why we shouldn't have ever tried to prop up the south vietnam regime.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42730331]yea this is cold blooded murder while the death penalty at least has due process involved.[/QUOTE] new geneva convention article: No killing allowed. Only beanbags are allowed to be used, and all captured enemy combatants, no matter how dangerous or evil, are to be well fed and provided a fair trial. Combat knives are to be replaced with miniature pillows.
I don't understand why you guys are arguing that it was right with yawmwen, there is a difference with agreeing with what he did and saying it was right. If the guy was murdering police officers and such then yeah I agree with what he did but that doesn't make it right and not a war crime.
[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42739199]new geneva convention article: No killing allowed. Only beanbags are allowed to be used, and all captured enemy combatants, no matter how dangerous or evil, are to be well fed and provided a fair trial. Combat knives are to be replaced with miniature pillows.[/QUOTE] Nah the trick is to only allow the people who declare the war to fight in it. It'd be a lot less exciting but at least they'd think a little harder about it.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42739097]actually the united states hit several villages where viet cong were suspected to be hiding out and they used flamethrowers to completely level the villages. in other villages south vietnamese soldiers killed tons of young men who were fighting age to try and lower viet cong numbers. in some villages everyone was rounded up and relocated so that they could be put under supervision by american/south vietnam military. ironically all these things ended up bolstering rural support for viet cong and lowering public opinion of the war at home. [editline]3rd November 2013[/editline] by that logic he should have been treated like a p.o.w. like other people who are enemy combatants. if he was truly fighting south vietnamese forces then he was a soldier and you don't just execute captured soldiers. i'm not saying i don't understand the emotions or justification behind his execution, i'm saying that it was a war crime regardless. at the very least, the photo illustrates how terrible war is and why we shouldn't have ever tried to prop up the south vietnam regime.[/QUOTE] Except he wasn't a combatant, he was dressed as a civilian, and went around murdering the families of police officers, sometimes the officers themselves but not always, and got caught doing so. Since he's not officially a soldier, was not in uniform, and was not fighting enemy soldiers, the the Geneva Conventions technically didn't protect him from execution.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;42739358]Nah the trick is to only allow the people who declare the war to fight in it. It'd be a lot less exciting but at least they'd think a little harder about it.[/QUOTE] Oh okay, so the Vietcong member who killed dozens of innocent women and children in addition to the soldiers he killed shouldn't have been killed because he wasn't officially fighting the war. Got it. I suppose you think that shooting at members of the Taliban is a bad thing too?
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;42739888]Oh okay, so the Vietcong member who killed dozens of innocent women and children in addition to the soldiers he killed shouldn't have been killed because he wasn't officially fighting the war. Got it. I suppose you think that shooting at members of the Taliban is a bad thing too?[/QUOTE] Somehow I think joke Geneva convention articles don't apply retrospectively, or at all. Good job on being a caricature of self-righteous indignation over a war criminal though!
[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42739199]new geneva convention article: No killing allowed. Only beanbags are allowed to be used, and all captured enemy combatants, no matter how dangerous or evil, are to be well fed and provided a fair trial. Combat knives are to be replaced with miniature pillows.[/QUOTE] Better idea: we rebuild the Colosseum in Rome and force the politicians to fight it out instead of sending kids dressed up as soldiers to butcher each other. There'll be global TV coverage and everything.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42740207]Better idea: we rebuild the Colosseum in Rome and force the politicians to fight it out instead of sending kids dressed up as soldiers to butcher each other. There'll be global TV coverage and everything.[/QUOTE] Which would have the hilarious side effect of an MMA fighter becoming president.
[QUOTE=plunger435;42739861]Except he wasn't a combatant, he was dressed as a civilian, and went around murdering the families of police officers, sometimes the officers themselves but not always, and got caught doing so. Since he's not officially a soldier, was not in uniform, and was not fighting enemy soldiers, the the Geneva Conventions technically didn't protect him from execution.[/QUOTE] then he was a civilian and executing him becomes goes from "war crime" to a crime against the civilian population. i could understand if the dude was sitting there shooting at the soldiers but in this case he was apprehended and handcuffed. american military protocol and international law are very clear when they say that you can't just kill unarmed people or prisoners.
Way Shen?
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