Talk About A Kodiak Moment: 22y/o takes photo of bear seconds before being mauled. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46584123]How to age yourself online: Knowing what a Kodak moment is.[/QUOTE] What are you, 12?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46584123]How to age yourself online: Knowing what a Kodak moment is.[/QUOTE] Really if you didn't know what it meant you'd just Google Kodak and figure out they are a film company. of course any brand that manufactures cameras and or film could use the same marketing Nikon moment Canon moment Leica moment I don't think you need to be that into photography to figure it out. I've never even seen a Kodak moment in use in advertisements yet it was self explanatory enough to figure out easily.

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[QUOTE=FordLord;46583667]Give Ivan a bottle of your finest vodka, he will show you how it's done. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiVQhEvQL7A[/media][/QUOTE] Wow that thing has giant razor blades for claws.

[QUOTE=Robman8908;46583539]I can't bear to think of what was going through his head right after he took this picture.[/QUOTE] probably fangs and claws

[QUOTE=hydrated;46583503]Black bears are absolutely terrified of people, you gotta really piss them off to rile them up. I've never heard of an unprovoked black bear attack.[/QUOTE] How about a bright flash of light? Like that of a camera.

Damn, if I to ever see a bear in woods while I'm all by myself, I'd most probably have a kodiak arrest [sp] im sorry [/sp]

There aren't wild bears here in Denmark but from what I have been told by people who go hiking in sweden you just have to make a lot of noise and throw stuff at the bear like some sort of chimpanzee spergfit.

[QUOTE=GunFox;46583615]Well you either do it or you die. You can't out run a black bear and if they attack they intend to kill you, so you stand and fight. You don't have to win, you just have to establish that you aren't prey. Also if you are in the woods completely unarmed in bear country then you are an idiot. This is really bears 101.[/QUOTE] Are you saying that bears are faster than Usain Bolt? Or any particularly jumpy human full of adrenaline? Okay, they may be faster, and I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but when you stand up to a bear and fight it, [I]what do you fight it with?[/I] How do you convince the bear that you're not prey, without killing it, or without it killing you? I just don't see that happening.. (Also yes forgive me my ignorance.)

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46585307]Are you saying that bears are faster than Usain Bolt? Or any particularly jumpy human full of adrenaline? Okay, they may be faster, and I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but when you stand up to a bear and fight it, [I]what do you fight it with?[/I] How do you convince the bear that you're not prey, without killing it, or without it killing you? I just don't see that happening.. (Also yes forgive me my ignorance.)[/QUOTE] you just scream and flail around stuff, every fucking park ranger, every fucking sign in the US told us when I was visiting you don't wrestle it, jesus dude THINK

Unless bears are native to your country i would not say thats ignorance. All i know about bears is from that documentary with Hannibal Lecter, link from the matrix and CIA agent Jack ryan when they survived a plane crash only to get hunted by a bear the size of a tank.

[QUOTE=Killuah;46585341]you just scream and flail around stuff, every fucking park ranger, every fucking sign in the US told us when I was visiting you don't wrestle it, jesus dude THINK[/QUOTE] But our dear moderator said stand and FIGHT! Surely FIGHTING doesn't mean just screaming and flailing hands/stuff around? And nowhere did he mention critical thinking.. But alright, apparently you are not supposed to ever come into direct physical contact with a bear.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46585307]Are you saying that bears are faster than Usain Bolt? Or any particularly jumpy human full of adrenaline? Okay, they may be faster, and I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but when you stand up to a bear and fight it, [I]what do you fight it with?[/I] How do you convince the bear that you're not prey, without killing it, or without it killing you? I just don't see that happening.. (Also yes forgive me my ignorance.)[/QUOTE] Scream and throw stuff, basically.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46585307]Are you saying that bears are faster than Usain Bolt? Or any particularly jumpy human full of adrenaline? Okay, they may be faster, and I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but when you stand up to a bear and fight it, [I]what do you fight it with?[/I] How do you convince the bear that you're not prey, without killing it, or without it killing you? I just don't see that happening.. (Also yes forgive me my ignorance.)[/QUOTE] They can run up to 50km/h. Usain Bolt only reached around 44km/h. A black bear could easily catch up to him. Black bears are cowards. If you let them know you're not scared of them, they probably won't take the risk.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46585307]Are you saying that bears are faster than Usain Bolt? Or any particularly jumpy human full of adrenaline? Okay, they may be faster, and I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but when you stand up to a bear and fight it, [I]what do you fight it with?[/I] How do you convince the bear that you're not prey, without killing it, or without it killing you? I just don't see that happening.. (Also yes forgive me my ignorance.)[/QUOTE] Well assuming you're not some sort of retard, presumably you fight it with your fists, a rock, a branch, literally fucking anything because it's a bear and you are hopefully capable of stringing two and two together and realise you can bash it with the rock. Also if it comes down to it that bear is fucking dead mate, if you're fighting a bear you might as well assume it's life or death.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46585449]But our dear moderator said stand and FIGHT! Surely FIGHTING doesn't mean just screaming and flailing hands/stuff around? And nowhere did he mention critical thinking.. But alright, apparently you are not supposed to ever come into direct physical contact with a bear.[/QUOTE] he means "fight" as in dont submit or stand down. he wasnt suggesting that you put up your dukes and demand that the bear engage you in fisticuffs or some shit

[QUOTE=bravehat;46585703]Well assuming you're not some sort of retard, presumably you fight it with your fists, a rock, a branch, literally fucking anything because it's a bear and you are hopefully capable of stringing two and two together and realise you can bash it with the rock.[/QUOTE] That would be like a 10 year old kid trying to fight one of the Klitschko brothers.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46585449]But our dear moderator said stand and FIGHT! Surely FIGHTING doesn't mean just screaming and flailing hands/stuff around? And nowhere did he mention critical thinking.. But alright, apparently you are not supposed to ever come into direct physical contact with a bear.[/QUOTE] "fight" in the fight or flight sense, not like a full on brawl or anything

[QUOTE=Hawke7;46584470]What are you, 12?[/QUOTE] Only nineties kids will get this! The best part of those is I only spent two years in the nineties, seeing all the "nineties" things throughout the early 2000s.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46585307]Are you saying that bears are faster than Usain Bolt? Or any particularly jumpy human full of adrenaline? Okay, they may be faster, and I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but when you stand up to a bear and fight it, [I]what do you fight it with?[/I] How do you convince the bear that you're not prey, without killing it, or without it killing you? I just don't see that happening.. (Also yes forgive me my ignorance.)[/QUOTE] Yes, bears are significantly faster and black bears are far better at climbing than people. There is no escape from a black bear who has decided to eat you. You can, however, make it not worth it. Predators understand that basically any decent injury sustained while trying to capture prey immediately makes the prey not worth it. The time spent recovering, assuming you do, makes the caloric value of the prey not worth it. So, as with any predator, you just need to do enough damage for the bear to decide you aren't worth the trouble. While if you are large enough you can probably accomplish this with your bare hands, it is still a good idea to grab basically any tool (rock, branch, pocket knife, keys, etc) and use it to hurt the bear. They are 300 lbs, and much of it is muscle, but a lot of it is also fat. The power difference between humans and black bears isn't as wide as it may seem, especially if you have basically any sort of tool. They are supposed to eat fish, berries, roots, and insects, not generally hunt down other large mammals. BROWN bears you don't fight OR flee from. They are massive animals who far exceed your power and speed. This is where the myth of "playing dead" when confronted with a bear comes from. You don't actually play dead when confronted with an attacking brown bear, you curl up into the fetal position and use your hands to protect your neck. Brown bears tend to attack to defend territory and defeat threats, by curling up and taking the mauling you have a chance of surviving. The bear won't think you are dead, but when it beats on you and you do nothing in return, it may believe you aren't a threat. Brown bears also tend to give warning before doing this. They will false charge you from a distance, giving you the opportunity to cast your gaze downwards and slowly back away.

probably used flash. bears hate flash.

Wait, his name was Darsh? I'm sure there's a South Park "gonna have a bad time" joke that could be made here.

[QUOTE=FordLord;46583667]Give Ivan a bottle of your finest vodka, he will show you how it's done. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiVQhEvQL7A[/media][/QUOTE] at 3:10 he teaches it to shake hands. That. Is. Adorable.

This is why I carry bear spray with me on every hike I take in bear/cougar country. Literally just saw bear tracks in the snow today on a short hike. I'm really surprised that this was a black bear. It's too bad the victim(a lot people) aren't more familiar with black bears and might have had a chance to scare it, which tends to work well with black bears. In this case it seems the bear was starving or feeling this 'polar vortex' and hurrying for a bigger meal. TL;DR CARRY MACE

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLsM2ijRao[/media] semi related

[QUOTE=GunFox;46587994]Yes, bears are significantly faster and black bears are far better at climbing than people. There is no escape from a black bear who has decided to eat you. You can, however, make it not worth it. Predators understand that basically any decent injury sustained while trying to capture prey immediately makes the prey not worth it. The time spent recovering, assuming you do, makes the caloric value of the prey not worth it. So, as with any predator, you just need to do enough damage for the bear to decide you aren't worth the trouble. While if you are large enough you can probably accomplish this with your bare hands, it is still a good idea to grab basically any tool (rock, branch, pocket knife, keys, etc) and use it to hurt the bear. They are 300 lbs, and much of it is muscle, but a lot of it is also fat. The power difference between humans and black bears isn't as wide as it may seem, especially if you have basically any sort of tool. They are supposed to eat fish, berries, roots, and insects, not generally hunt down other large mammals. BROWN bears you don't fight OR flee from. They are massive animals who far exceed your power and speed. This is where the myth of "playing dead" when confronted with a bear comes from. You don't actually play dead when confronted with an attacking brown bear, you curl up into the fetal position and use your hands to protect your neck. Brown bears tend to attack to defend territory and defeat threats, by curling up and taking the mauling you have a chance of surviving. The bear won't think you are dead, but when it beats on you and you do nothing in return, it may believe you aren't a threat. Brown bears also tend to give warning before doing this. They will false charge you from a distance, giving you the opportunity to cast your gaze downwards and slowly back away.[/QUOTE] Thank you for the detailed post and the efforts put into it. I read it all.

[QUOTE=GunFox;46583535]He was with four people and still lost? What did he do? Play dead like an idiot? You are supposed to fight black bears if they attack because black bears generally only attack unprovoked if starving.[/QUOTE] yeah fighting bears is [I]easy[/I]

[QUOTE=Skyward;46583489]To be fair, black bears are usually rather docile.[/QUOTE] I remember watching a documentary stating black bears can be quite unpredictable.

[QUOTE=GunFox;46583535]He was with four people and still lost? What did he do? Play dead like an idiot? You are supposed to fight black bears if they attack because black bears generally only attack unprovoked if starving.[/QUOTE] Yeah but dude can you imagine if even just a single swipe from a bears claw would do to you? If that connected once you would be fucked. Black bears claws are a lot smaller but still, all that power and force behind that? You would be knocked down no matter what and completely fucked then.