Sea Shep and friends board Japanese security vessel in Australian costal waters. - Polidicks

What was that high-pitched beeping in the first one? [editline]8th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;34108340]"I am the smurtest"[/QUOTE] You do know I gave up on you and am just having fun, right? Lach more or less has a head in between his shoulders and is competent. If you [b]read[/b] you arrogant little bastard, I never said I was ENTIRELY against the Sea Sheps., only that everyone talking about them like they're doing some world shaking thing is ridiculous. Yet, of course, everyone goes and assfucks it out of proportion like I hate whales. Yes, I go out and harpoon them myself while riding a dying baby one. I then tear their giant whale hearts out, fuck them, cum inside, then surgically reimplant them into the whale with a bomb strapped to it, all within five minutes. [sp]i am the ultimate japanese whale killing machine this is where all the whale meat money went too folks[/sp]

That's cool, I just find it comical that you constantly tried to make the worst arguments over and over and then resorted to using ad hominem. It's cool, nice to know you just get angry in a debate though <3

[QUOTE=OvB;34108332]Official investigation said both Skippers were at fault. The videos clearly show the Ady Gil was idling, the Japanese excuse is a complete fabrication.[/QUOTE] Ady Gil was coasting a bit in the beginning of the vid, and by most boating rules, Ady Gil should have given way (I doubt they were focused on that though), maybe the Japanese skipper though they would turn away sooner, but it does seem that the Japanese were at least trying to Intimidate SS. Whatever the case, the Ady Gil was one hell of a sexy boat, shame she was lost.

[QUOTE=Sumap;34108398]Ady Gil was coasting a bit in the beginning of the vid, and by most boating rules, Ady Gil should have given way (I doubt they were focused on that though), maybe the Japanese skipper though they would turn away sooner, but it does seem that the Japanese were at least trying to Intimidate SS. Whatever the case, the Ady Gil was one hell of a sexy boat, shame she was lost.[/QUOTE] It was coasting with it's engines off and the distant Shonan changed course into it. You can see it in the background perpendicular to the Ady in the first video. The Japanese Skipper got too close to the Ady with more than enough time to make a course correction. It's like crashing into a parked car then blaming the guy in the parked car.

[QUOTE=OvB;34108417]It was coasting with it's engines off and the distant Shonan changed course into it. You can see it in the background perpendicular to the Ady in the first video. The Japanese Skipper got too close to the Ady with more than enough time to make a course correction. It's like crashing into a parked car then blaming the guy in the parked car.[/QUOTE] He's right. The ship was way off in the distance and suddenly slapped Ady like a fucking train.

Call this an advertisement, [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1153798?p=34108557#post34108557]but I started a debate thread[/url] so let's move the argument there and keep these posts directly related to this incident please.

All this talk of Piracy has made me wonder Shall I send some proper pirates against the whalers?

[QUOTE=Zenpod;34109901]All this talk of Piracy has made me wonder Shall I send some proper pirates against the whalers?[/QUOTE] Contact Somalian and ask them if they'd like a big ship.

[QUOTE=OvB;34108417]It was coasting with it's engines off and the distant Shonan changed course into it. You can see it in the background perpendicular to the Ady in the first video. The Japanese Skipper got too close to the Ady with more than enough time to make a course correction. It's like crashing into a parked car then blaming the guy in the parked car.[/QUOTE] And not to mention that the driver of the batman boat probably has enough brains to known that ramming his boat into the Japanese ship would be suicide.

[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;34108139]Updated the post. How exactly do we know the Japanese aren't actually using them for scientific purposes? Maybe they just sell the excess? Seems perfectly natural to me, why let all that perfectly good whale go to waste?[/QUOTE] Something to do with the fact they have never released any real research and seem to just be eating them.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34107599]all of you talking about piracy and that are fucking morons. who the fuck cares if it IS piracy? (which it isn't). frankly i hope they sink every one of those whaling ships and i don't give a shit how many asshole whalers lose their livelihoods. these people are brutally killing one of earths most amazing and intelligent creatures, how the fuck can anyone support that? damn i wish i wasn't 'hippy scum' so i could understand what is wrong some of you people[/QUOTE] What if they end up killing a whaler?

So they're being taken back to Japan, at least that what it seems like as of right now. There seems to be some dispute between Australia, Japan, and the Sea Shepherds as to whether or not the actual boarding took place within the Australian coastal territory or in International Waters. The Aussies took the Japanese word for it, the Japanese claim it happened in International Waters (This is the same boat that crashed into the Ady Gil then lied saying it was actively attacking it when it was really just idle in the water), and the Sea Shepherds say it happened within Australian Waters. In other news, Paul Watson is mad. [url]http://www.seashepherd.org/commentary-and-editorials/2012/01/08/the-bullshit-politics-of-betrayal-503[/url] [url]http://www.seashepherd.org/commentary-and-editorials/2012/01/07/forest-rescue-men-go-out-on-a-limb-for-sea-shepherd-502[/url]

[QUOTE=OvB;34104632]Whaling is illegal in Australia. Whalers whale in water Claimed by Australia (though recognized by like 4 countries) then come [i]inside[/i] Australian coastal territory while following Sea Shepherd back to Fremantel. Technically they're very presence is illegal. They should've been intercepted by Aussie coast guard and tried for supporting a poaching fleet. Luckily for them the Aussie government has no backbone and lets them get away with it. The people that boarded the ship will either be handed to an Aussie Customs ship or taken back to Japan and released a few months later like Bethune. Japan doesn't want to piss off Australia more as it is, they've already been sued in the International Court of Justice for their illegal whaling.[/QUOTE] Well I kind of can understand the situation of Australia, it's kind of how the Finnish Gulf is the only way for the Russian Submarines to go into the Atlantic (The Japan is relatively close to you guys given that you two share[?] a ocean). So we don't care that much (about the russians). But jesus shit if our guv'nah wouldn't sent atleast a corvette or two to intercept some armed ship entering our waters without permission. I can understand the frustration the Australian people must feel from this.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34115960]What if they end up killing a whaler?[/QUOTE] if it's on purpose then in no way would i support that. if it was by accident? shit happens, sea shepherds could have died when the ady gil got rammed so clearly the whalers aren't worried about the consequences of THEIR actions, and if i had to pick someone to accidentally get fucked over it, it would be the people i feel are in the wrong here.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34118857]if it's on purpose then in no way would i support that. if it was by accident? shit happens, sea shepherds could have died when the ady gil got rammed so clearly the whalers aren't worried about the consequences of THEIR actions, and if i had to pick someone to accidentally get fucked over it, it would be the people i feel are in the wrong here.[/QUOTE] Shit happens? Oh, theoretically, some drunk guy accidentally hit someone close to you with a car? Shit happens, get over it? [editline]8th January 2012[/editline] you're a horrible person if that's your logic.

[QUOTE=Jsm;34112541]Something to do with the fact they have never released any real research and seem to just be eating them.[/QUOTE] Japan provides more whale research than any other country, and the IWC recognizes Japan's contributions. I'm not sure where you got the idea Japan never published any research on whaling, that's simply not true and extremely easy to confirm if you had bothered looking it up. I'm not saying this means their use of the research exemption is justified or anything like that, but please don't spread misinformation.

[QUOTE=Cmx;34103070]How can they be charged in japan for something that happened outside of japan? Wouldn't they have to go through Australia to charge them with anything since its their territory?[/QUOTE] The ship is still Japanese territory until reaching its destination, same with airliners.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34119686]Shit happens? Oh, theoretically, some drunk guy accidentally hit someone close to you with a car? Shit happens, get over it? [editline]8th January 2012[/editline] you're a horrible person if that's your logic.[/QUOTE] that's my logic when it comes to whalers and sea shepherds. you're a horrible person for making that awful analogy in an attempt to make me look horrible.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;34119686]Shit happens? Oh, theoretically, some drunk guy accidentally hit someone close to you with a car? Shit happens, get over it? [editline]8th January 2012[/editline] you're a horrible person if that's your logic.[/QUOTE] Except whalers aren't just innocent people getting caught up in something they had nothing to do with. They are threatening the existence of an entire species.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/8PpHL.jpg[/img] [release][b]Ms Roxon said the federal government was doing all it could to assist the men, who were being detained on the whaling escort vessel Shonan Maru II, but it was likely they would be dealt with under Japanese law.[/b] [b]"If people do take action - take the law into their own hands - the rules that apply are sometimes ones that you can't as a government change. There will be consequences and in this case it is very unlikely that Australian law will apply,"[/b] Roxon told Australian public broadcaster the ABC. [b]"We are doing all we can diplomatically to ensure that these three Australian men can be released quickly and properly and to make sure that they are being held in conditions that are appropriate."[/b] The West Australian men - Geoff Tuxworth, 47, Simon Peterffy, 44, and Glen Pendlebury, 27 - from the Forest Rescue environmental group boarded the Shonan Maru II in waters off the state's south early Sunday morning. The daring mission was aimed at forcing the vessel to stop tailing the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society's anti-whaling flagship, the Steve Irwin. The men climbed past razorwire and spikes to board the ship and deliver a message: "Return us to shore in Australia and then remove yourself from our waters." [b]But the Shonan Maru No.2 yesterday afternoon was instead persisting with its pursuit of the Steve Irwin, with the Australians still on board.[/b] The men could be taken to Japan to face criminal charges over their actions. [b]Glenn Inwood, spokesman for the Japanese whaling program at the Institute of Cetacean Research, told The Australian that the incident occurred about 25 miles (40km) off the West Australian coast, outside Australian territorial waters but inside Australia's 200-mile (320km) economic zone.[/b] [b]"They are unhurt and they are being well looked after," Inwood said of the three men.[/b] He told ABC radio, [b]"Not only are they facing [a long time on board the vessel], but they risk being taken to Japan to be tried for trespassing, or for other charges."[/b] Ms Roxon said discussions with the Japanese government were continuing. "We have had a number of interactions with the Japanese government, particularly through our embassy in Tokyo," she told ABC radio. She said it was difficult because the incident didn't happen in Australia's territorial waters. "Because it was only in our exclusive economic zone, that doesn't give us automatic rights to assert Australian law. "In fact, the clearest advice that we have is that Japanese law would be likely to apply." [b]"It is likely that these three Australians may be taken back to Japan,"[/b] she said. Read more: [url]http://www.news.com.au/national/sea-shepherd-protesters-may-be-tried-in-japan-after-boarding-whaling-vessel-being-detained/story-e6frfkvr-1226239481962#ixzz1ivj8PDu3[/url] [/release] [url]http://www.news.com.au/national/sea-shepherd-protesters-may-be-tried-in-japan-after-boarding-whaling-vessel-being-detained/story-e6frfkvr-1226239481962[/url] There's a video of the boarding in the link.

worthless fucking government the very least they could do is send a customs ship to pick them up [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] honestly labour has turned out to be fucking atrocious [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] even our pro-life, anti-stem cell research, right wing christian opposition leader says the government should be doing more

[b]UPDATE[/b] [release][b]Three anti-whaling activists who boarded a Japanese ship will be handed over to an Australian customs ship, Australian leader Julia Gillard said.[/b] The men from the Forest Rescue Australia group could have faced charges under Japanese law. They boarded the Shonan Maru No 2 early on Sunday, about 26km (16 miles) off the west coast of Australia. [b]"We thank the Japanese government for their cooperation in this matter," Ms Gillard said[/b] through a spokesman. However, she warned, [b]it should not be assumed that ''individuals will not be charged and convicted in the future''.[/b] "Activity of the nature undertaken by these three Australians is unacceptable,'' she added in a statement. The men, all from Western Australia, were named as Geoffrey Owen Tuxworth, 47, Simon Peterffy, 44, and Glen Pendlebury, 27. The Australian customs ship has left port, but it could take ''several days'' to reach the Shonan Maru at sea, depending on the weather, Ms Gillard said. Forest Rescue said in a statement that the trio boarded the vessel to prevent it from tailing a ship belonging to anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd. That ship, the Steve Irwin, was on its way back to the Southern Ocean, where Japanese whaling ships hunt at this time of the year, after escorting a damaged vessel back to Australia. The Shonan Maru was thought to be watching the anti-whaling vessels to help the Japanese fleet avoid protesters. Court action 'best way' There has been a ban on commercial whaling for 25 years, but Japan catches about 1,000 whales each year in what it says is a scientific research programme. Critics say it is commercial whaling in another guise. Australia is a strong opponent of whaling. [b]Last year, it filed a complaint against Japan's whaling activities in the Southern Ocean at the international court in The Hague aimed at ending the practice. A decision could be announced next year.[/b] [b]"The best way to stop whaling once and for all is through our court action," Ms Gillard added.[/b] This is not the first time activists have boarded Japanese whaling ships. In 2010 New Zealander Pete Bethune boarded a ship which subsequently took him to Japan. He spent five months in jail after receiving a two-year suspended sentence and was later deported. In 2008 Australian Benjamin Potts and another activist were handed over to an Australian customs ship after they boarded a Japanese ship in the Southern Ocean.[/release] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16480765[/url] [b]Whaler ignores call to leave Australian waters[/b] [release]A JAPANESE whaling ship has defied high-level Australian complaints to stay in the waters of World Heritage-listed Macquarie Island. The harpoon-equipped whale hunter Yushin Maru No.3 was still there late yesterday, hours after the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, said the ship was leaving. [b]''I'm aware that there has been one vessel which I'm advised has been in Australian territorial waters and I'll advise that it will leave Australian territorial waters,'' Ms Gillard said.[/b] [b]The Australian embassy told the Japanese government on Tuesday that whaling vessels were not welcome in the country's waters, repeating earlier complaints.[/b] But the Japanese ship was photographed yesterday within a few miles of the coast of Macquarie Island, which is part of the state of Tasmania. The Sea Shepherd anti-whaling group said the harpoon ship continued trailing its vessel, Bob Barker, [b]inside the 12-nautical-mile territorial limit all day.[/b] ''Things seem to be reaching a boiling point here,'' the Bob Barker's first mate, Peter Hammarstedt, said. ''It has followed us on circuits of the island, keeping right inside the 12-mile zone.'' The Bob Barker sought refuge at Macquarie Island to try to shake the ship off its stern. As long as some Japanese vessels are able to keep tabs on Sea Shepherd activists, the rest of the fleet can continue whaling. ANU professor of international law Don Rothwell said if Yushin Maru No.3 was staying close to Macquarie Island [b]it was violating the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea which would normally allow a ship to proceed though these waters.[/b] ''The actions of Yushin Maru No.3 are not consistent with the right of innocent passage,'' Professor Rothwell said. [b]The Greens leader, Bob Brown, said the ship's presence was illegal and called for a naval vessel to be sent there.[/b] [/release] [url]http://www.peninsulaweekly.com.au/news/national/national/general/whaler-ignores-call-to-leave-australian-waters/2417470.aspx[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/2qzlm.jpg[/img] [i]Unwelcome visitor … the Yushin Maru No.3 stayed just off the coast of Macquarie Island yesterday.[/i] Oh hey, now they're outright breaking Australian law.

Well a partial victory and a potential victory. This turned out better than I thought it would.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34122091]that's my logic when it comes to whalers and sea shepherds. you're a horrible person for making that awful analogy in an attempt to make me look horrible.[/QUOTE] Then your logic is morally bankrupt. Whalers and Sea Shepard are still made up of people, so you're idiotically forgetting THAT little fun fact. [editline]12th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;34173241][b]UPDATE[/b] Oh hey, now they're outright breaking Australian law.[/QUOTE] Oh i'm sorry, but piracy and ramming ships is perfectly okay?