US's largest anti-Muslim group cancels 67 rallies after seeing size of anti-fascist crowds in Boston - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Conscript;52602735]You're deluding yourself. You're ignoring the last year of political violence because there was only 27 arrests at a protest against 50 individuals, and the police actually did their job unlike at Charlottesville. But whatever. Sure, polls show [url=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-americans-say-u-s-political-debate-is-increasingly-uncivil/]people think the political climate is more violent[/url] It's not like we had a debate on this forum, let alone on social media, on whether it's moral to 'punch a nazi'. It's not like just a week ago we saw the normalization of and apologetics for antifa. All the violence against trump supporters since 2016 was blamed on his divisive rhetoric and encouraging violence of his own through paying legal fees, but the violence was never denied or written off as a tiny minority of black bloc types or something. It's not like [url=https://news.vice.com/story/extremism-experts-are-starting-to-worry-about-the-left]extremist experts are looking at the left more now[/url] for the first time since the 70s. It's not like people are losing faith in our poltical system and media, and the parties are polarizing. But yea it's a just all just a narrative of mine there's a lot more violence. You're not from america, you're from canada and FP is by no means representative of the US. It's maybe representative of the bernie demographic because it's young, more tech inclined than average, and probably more middle class or college educated. But yea, you seem to live in a left wing bubble conditioned by what I described + living in Canada. The fact you seem to think what ACT represents is wildly unpopular and is un-American (when we are the most right wing western nation) really shows how warped your idea of reality is. Do you realize we just elected a nationalist who broke the blue wall of the rust belt? Did you not see the polls I posted? And don't give me that garbage about civilization. Your 'civilized west' is devolving into to tribalism, plutocracy, and ridiculous economic inequality to the point that even WaPo writes about 2017 as a challenge to liberal democracy. That middle class civic identity that the west and democracy thrived on and survived the 20th century with is ailing. Whatever the solution is, it's probably not a post-national state by the way.[/QUOTE] its funny because you're literally just falling for the media pushing a narrative of a divided violent america. When America gets divided and violent, you'll know it for sure. There's always more talk about division and polarization than is actually going on. It always makes the person talking about it seem holy and pure, and the media will push any alarming narrative that will garner more attention. Isn't the right-wing always talking about media bullshit anyway?

[QUOTE=Anderan;52603083]I'm incredibly confused as to why you posted both of these charts considering they contradict what you're saying as far as I can tell. A majority support maintaining current levels or even increasing the immigration quota and the other shows that the majority believe immigrants benefit American society.[/QUOTE] dude it's conscipt walls of text, literally zero thought or substance why else do you think he's wheeling out the same, extremely tired "you'll just make them more extreme" argument in response to chastisement, counter-protest etc that for some reason applies only to right-wing extremism, but almost certainly won't apply in his head to other things like muslim extremism

[QUOTE=Eva-1337;52601828]Goes to show racists really are just cowards under all that hateful veneer.[/QUOTE] Racism implies insecurity. A secure, mature, self-aware adult doesn't feel threatened by someone because of the color of their skin. People who are insecure in their status in society feel a need to seek out (or invent) power structures to give them "confidence." They'll spit on others so they can feel a bit of control. Then they assume that control is security in oneself, when really it's just a bunch of insecure dudes jerking off about how much they "hate blacks" to cover up how unsafe and scared they are.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52603548]The top chart shows plurality support for decrease of immigration. A case can be made for majority support of either the combination Maintain-Increase or Maintain-Decrease, although Maintain-Decrease leads by 26%. As to the purpose of the bottom chart (in the context of Conscripts stance), I have no idea.[/QUOTE] Maintain is a separate stance from Increase/Decrease. You cant lump it in with the others and make a case for having "majority".

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;52604506]Maintain is a separate stance from Increase/Decrease. You cant lump it in with the others and make a case for having "majority".[/QUOTE] You could argue there are a majority against increasing or decreasing immigration which could be relevant depending on the context of the conversation. Though exactly which side "leads" isn't exceedingly relevant.

[QUOTE=dark soul;52602227]Kind of ironic that one side calls everyone that protests the removel of monuments a Nazi, while the other calls everyone thats a Muslim a terrorist. Both sides are idiots.[/QUOTE] [img]http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/nazi-flag-charlottesville-protest-rd-mem-170814_12x5_992.jpg[/img] 🤔

[QUOTE=archangel125;52602766]The reason 2017 is widely considered a challenge to liberal democracy is not in [I]spite[/I] of Trump and his far-right, degenerate ilk, but [I]because[/I] of them, and ideologues like you. The resurgence of the extremist right and the rise of the regressive left are the factors responsible for this polarization.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2482"]Poll just released today says most Americans believe Trump is dividing country [/URL]

[QUOTE=Paramud;52604673][img]http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/nazi-flag-charlottesville-protest-rd-mem-170814_12x5_992.jpg[/img] 🤔[/QUOTE] [t]https://feen.us/97sfnoqeyhc0bie06gf7.png[/t] Look, a single violent person in the Middle East! Surely, this is evidence of the fact that all people in the Middle East are violent! 🤔

[QUOTE=geel9;52605932][t]https://feen.us/97sfnoqeyhc0bie06gf7.png[/t] Look, a single violent person in the Middle East! Surely, this is evidence of the fact that all people in the Middle East are violent! 樂[/QUOTE] When you're marching alongside KKK members and people waving Nazi flags, making no effort to distance yourself from them, it's a safe bet you're a white supremacist, or, at the very least, that you've got no problem what those degenerates stand for - the extermination of most of humanity. That or you're blind, got lost, and wandered into a Neo-Nazi march.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52605937]When you're marching alongside KKK members and people waving Nazi flags, making no effort to distance yourself from them, it's a safe bet you're a white supremacist.[/QUOTE] So any subgroup of a larger group inherently corrupts the entire group, is what you're saying? It's impossible for there to be a subgroup that has views that are simply not shared by the rest of them? Further, can you link me to interviews from everyone who marched in Charlottesville where they chose to not denounce the KKK members and Nazis marching in the same protest? Or is it possible that you not being able to find people denouncing them doesn't mean that they actually support Nazis?

[QUOTE=geel9;52605957]So any subgroup of a larger group inherently corrupts the entire group, is what you're saying? It's impossible for there to be a subgroup that has views that are simply not shared by the rest of them? Further, can you link me to interviews from everyone who marched in Charlottesville where they chose to not denounce the KKK members and Nazis marching in the same protest? Or is it possible that you not being able to find people denouncing them doesn't mean that they actually support Nazis?[/QUOTE] Not sure if you're getting the picture. People who don't sympathize with nazi views wouldn't be caught dead marching with them, given that they're among the most reviled extremists on the planet. Imagine defending a bunch of Muslims marching with ISIS and saying that they don't really share the same views, or expecting anyone to believe that those Muslims are moderates.

[QUOTE=geel9;52605932][t]https://feen.us/97sfnoqeyhc0bie06gf7.png[/t] Look, a single violent person in the Middle East! Surely, this is evidence of the fact that all people in the Middle East are violent! 🤔[/QUOTE] Yes I'm sure there was just a few random Nazi's/white supremacists mixed in, surely not large groups of them making up a large part of the protest... oh wait [video]https://youtu.be/RIrcB1sAN8I[/video]

[QUOTE=geel9;52605932][t]https://feen.us/97sfnoqeyhc0bie06gf7.png[/t] Look, a single violent person in the Middle East! Surely, this is evidence of the fact that all people in the Middle East are violent! 樂[/QUOTE] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/3jRU94O.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/rYZV1Ez.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/6LTJgyV.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/dop9rda.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/uymcpno.jpg[/img_thumb] [quote]“It was quite clear he had some really extreme views and maybe a little bit of anger behind them,” Weimer told CNN. “Feeling, what’s the word I’m looking for, oppressed or persecuted. He really bought into this white supremacist thing. He was very big into Nazism. He really had a fondness for Adolf Hitler.”[/quote] [quote]"Peter is a maniac, who has turned away from all of us and gone down some insane internet rabbit-hole, and turned into a crazy nazi. He scares us all, we don't feel safe around him, and we don't know how he came to be this way."[/quote] A few bad apples spoil the bunch, right! Surely not at all an accurate representation of the underlying tone, which was actually of peaceful protest!