• Bankrupted 50 Cent Musician, Donates $100'000 to Autism Charity
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You cannot CURE autism/aspergers .. with todays technology.
[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;50274937]-They treat autism as a disease that can and ought to be cured, as opposed to be understood and integrated into society.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Blind Weasel;50274961][I]its not a fucking disease[/I][/QUOTE] you have to admit though reversing/'curing' the effect of autism has on the brain would only serve as a positive thing, really, there are no negatives to reversing it. That isn't to say we should not try to help integrate them into society of course. But giving them a chance at a normal life would be excellent.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50277268]you have to admit though reversing/'curing' the effect of autism has on the brain would only serve as a positive thing, really, there are no negatives to reversing it.[/QUOTE] [img]https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/miscellaneous-worms-can-tin-opening_a_can_of_worms-opening-jfa2492_low.jpg[/img]
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Give me a fucking break...
[QUOTE=Blind Weasel;50274961][I]its not a fucking disease[/I][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=bastian-07;50274978]aspergers/autism is a genetic defect and thus not comparable to something like influenza; it cannot be cured due to being a difference in how the signal fluids of your brain are tossed around and interpreted, much like how you can't cure ADHD before you even mention people considering autism a "gift" or some shit (of which there are plenty), it's not about that, it's about it being something you're born with that you can't just cut out of your body physically or medicate away[/QUOTE] You know, people are born with [url=http://depressiongenetics.stanford.edu/mddandgenes.html]genetic triggers for depression[/url] too and that isn't comparable with influenza either. Same goes for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. So if I'm understanding this logic correctly, because depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder aren't the flu, we shouldn't try to cure/fix/whatever them. Even if it will dramatically improve quality of life in the patients, they're not diseases and people are born with them so we shouldn't do anything. Help me out here, because right now the idea that mental disorders that make it harder for people to have a normal quality of life shouldn't be addressed medically simply because they're genetic is sounding really stupid.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50277300]Truly a well thought out and informative reply. can you at least explain :v: though I suppose "No negatives" is a bit hyperbolic, I'm being extremely hypothetical after all[/QUOTE] What I'm saying is that you may or may not have opened up the floodgates for a nasty discussion. This is also known as 'opening a can of worms'...for some reason.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;50277351]What I'm saying is that you may or may not have opened up the floodgates for a nasty discussion. This is also known as 'opening a can of worms'...for some reason.[/QUOTE] oh that makes more sense, guess I misunderstood that really, I welcome anyone to try and give me any good reason as to why reversing autism could be bad, tbh I really hope it doesn't open a can of worms, that'd be absurd
[QUOTE=J!NX;50277363]really, I welcome anyone to try and give me any good reason as to why reversing autism could be bad, tbh[/QUOTE] 'Disease' or not, there is a legitimate point to be made that disorders like autism are part of a person's identity and personality. Especially for milder autism spectrum disorders like Asperger's, it can manifest as an aptitude for technical learning at the cost of social maturity. 'Curing' that is a very sticky question because you are talking about permanently altering someone's personality in a way that isn't necessarily a clear-cut improvement. IMO that's very different from cases of autism so severe that the person will never be able to live independently or be a productive member of society- those cases are why I think research into gene therapy are entirely justified.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50277363]oh that makes more sense, guess I misunderstood that really, I welcome anyone to try and give me any good reason as to why reversing autism could be bad, tbh I really hope it doesn't open a can of worms, that'd be absurd[/QUOTE] I think the hope is to wipe out autism in future people, rather than "cure" it in existing ones. The sooner we can make a generation the last one with autism, the better.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;50275935]I also believe that unlike other autism charities, they have very few autistic people in their ranks, when other autism charities will do their best to hire autistic people and ensure they get a chance.[/QUOTE] They block autistic people from speaking at their events and otherwise exclude them pretty harshly, last time I heard. Apart from that, it's one of those scam charities that almost exclusively invest into marketing and paying themselves. There are [I]tons[/I] of other options that have a decent track record and don't demonise or belittle autistic people, but since this one invests so much into marketing and raking in money, it unfortunately is the "go to" one for people who don't know any better. [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] They also intentionally paint a very distorted picture of autism to get more pity donations, as far as I can tell. (As someone affected, this "charity" disgusts me. Of course there are a lot of difficulties it results in, but that can be examined and handled respectfully and without picturing autistic people as fundamentally "lesser" than everyone else.)
This guy is really bad at the whole 'bankruptcy' thing.
To be fair to 50 Cent, [URL="http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/04/50-cent-autistic-charity-10k/"]it seems A$ was specified by the family (lawyer), requesting a 10k$ donation.[/URL] He [I]really[/I] could have informed himself before putting in 10 times that though. (Personally I'd have politely refused and checked for a decent place to put the money instead, but that requires actually caring I guess.)
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;50280195]Interactions with people being less painful than a visit to the dentist would be nice.[/QUOTE] or maybe people should approach one another without making assumptions.
[QUOTE=bastian-07;50274978]i was lying in bed reading through facepunch when i saw this post and forced myself to get up this is the record worst post you've ever made, in my eyes aspergers/autism is a genetic defect and thus not comparable to something like influenza; it cannot be cured due to being a difference in how the signal fluids of your brain are tossed around and interpreted, much like how you can't cure ADHD before you even mention people considering autism a "gift" or some shit (of which there are plenty), it's not about that, it's about it being something you're born with that you can't just cut out of your body physically or medicate away[/QUOTE] Mind you, while ADHD isn't curable in the same way as influence, it's symptoms are often combated. Not unlike many other mental and other disorders. The big question is where one draws the line really.
Let's say they've developed some way to treat autism in the womb. The doctor tells you your son will be autistic, and they can do a procedure that will make it so he won't be autistic. It's free (let's say you have universal healthcare), and it has totally no risk at all. Do you do it?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50280361]Let's say they've developed some way to treat autism in the womb. The doctor tells you your son will be autistic, and they can do a procedure that will make it so he won't be autistic. It's free (let's say you have universal healthcare), and it has totally no risk at all. Do you do it?[/QUOTE] Due to the varying degrees of autism possible, I would ask how serious the autism would be before making the decision. I mean, if they have the power to outright stop the autism from developing while he's in the womb, who says they can't gauge how debilitating that autism would be?
[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;50280471]Due to the varying degrees of autism possible, I would ask how serious the autism would be before making the decision. I mean, if they have the power to outright stop the autism from developing while he's in the womb, who says they can't gauge how debilitating that autism would be?[/QUOTE] So if it was severe, you'd do it?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50280638]So if it was severe, you'd do it?[/QUOTE] Pretty much, yeah. They haven't exactly been born yet and your scenario literally says "No Risk". If it's really really minor, as shitty as it sounds I wouldn't exactly have them go through with the procedure though. Not just because it would be a waste of the hospital's time and resources, but also because I think I can A: Handle raising someone like that (I mean, Scenario implies I'm prepared for a kid.) and B: Minor autism might actually help them in some scenarios. Just.. gotta help them out with socializing and expressing themselves. Along with maybe not completely and utterly spoiling them. I'm not gonna lie, my view on this is biased as fuck due to being autistic myself.
[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;50280830]Pretty much, yeah. They haven't exactly been born yet and your scenario literally says "No Risk". If it's really really minor, as shitty as it sounds I wouldn't exactly have them go through with the procedure though. Not just because it would be a waste of the hospital's time and resources, but also because I think I can A: Handle raising someone like that (I mean, Scenario implies I'm prepared for a kid.) and B: Minor autism might actually help them in some scenarios. Just.. gotta help them out with socializing and expressing themselves. Along with maybe not completely and utterly spoiling them. I'm not gonna lie, my view on this is biased as fuck due to being autistic myself.[/QUOTE] That's interesting. When I was in the womb, doctors said there was a 99% chance I'd be autistic. Parents had me anyways, and afaik I don't [i]think[/i] I'm autistic. I guess it's just something that we should just learn to live with? Jimmy is short, Billy is a ginger, and michael is autistic.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50280845]That's interesting. When I was in the womb, doctors said there was a 99% chance I'd be autistic. Parents had me anyways, and afaik I don't [I]think[/I] I'm autistic. I guess it's just something that we should just learn to live with? Jimmy is short, Billy is a ginger, and michael is autistic.[/QUOTE] How could the doctor have known that? Isn't autism like completely invisible if you try to find it through physical evidences? Isn't it why it is so hard to diagnose it reliably? So far I know, you can't just observe the embryo's behavior for that, can you?
[QUOTE=Blind Weasel;50274961][I]its not a fucking disease[/I][/QUOTE] Thank you for saying this. I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was thirteen and even it used to have a huge impact on my life (not that much anymore as I turned 21.) I accept myself the way I am and I couldn't imagine it to be any other way. Autism is a bit different though, but Asperger's still belongs to the spectrum of autism so I understand the people who live with the same condition. It's not a disease, thus instead of trying to find a cure for it, people should try to help people with autism to live with their condition and accept themselves the way they are.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50280361]Let's say they've developed some way to treat autism in the womb. The doctor tells you your son will be autistic, and they can do a procedure that will make it so he won't be autistic. It's free (let's say you have universal healthcare), and it has totally no risk at all. Do you do it?[/QUOTE] no because we all know the doctors gave the kid autism with vaccines, right :downs: [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] Really though why would you [I]not[/I] [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grocel;50281475]How could the doctor have known that? Isn't autism like completely invisible if you try to find it through physical evidences? Isn't it why it is so hard to diagnose it reliably? So far I know, you can't just observe the embryo's behavior for that, can you?[/QUOTE] IIRC it can't be diagnosed until the kid actually starts growing up... I don't think there's a way to diagnose it without observing the kid's cognitive abilities [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] Also this may be completely unrelated but the people I've met that have aspergers are some of the nicest, smartest people I've met but that isn't saying much when everyone [I]else[/I] I know is dumber than rocks
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50282017]IIRC it can't be diagnosed until the kid actually starts growing up... I don't think there's a way to diagnose it without observing the kid's cognitive abilities[/QUOTE] So I guess, Proboardslol's doctor either: A: Had a revolutionary and secret in-womb diagnostic system for the autism spectrum B: His parent's were both diagnosed to be autistic which would had brought him to make a guess C: Or that doctor didn't even knew two fucking cents about autism
[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50274928]50 Cent right now [img]http://rs215.pbsrc.com/albums/cc101/vtm20002000/backpedal.gif~c200[/img] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Reaction image" - Novangel))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Why can't someone fuck up and apologize without it being considered "backpedaling"
[QUOTE=bastian-07;50274978]i was lying in bed reading through facepunch when i saw this post and forced myself to get up this is the record worst post you've ever made, in my eyes aspergers/autism is a genetic defect and thus not comparable to something like influenza; it cannot be cured due to being a difference in how the signal fluids of your brain are tossed around and interpreted, much like how you can't cure ADHD before you even mention people considering autism a "gift" or some shit (of which there are plenty), it's not about that, it's about it being something you're born with that you can't just cut out of your body physically or medicate away[/QUOTE] It is also related to air quality. [url]http://time.com/3893669/air-pollution-autism-research-health/[/url]
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50280845]That's interesting. When I was in the womb, doctors said there was a 99% chance I'd be autistic. Parents had me anyways, and afaik I don't [i]think[/i] I'm autistic. I guess it's just something that we should just learn to live with? Jimmy is short, Billy is a ginger, and michael is autistic.[/QUOTE] There's definitely a very wide range of severity. Some people end up with really huge problems to the point they absolutely can't manage their lives alone, in some cases it's normally imperceptible to others (hi!), and then you have just about everything in-between. That aside, since it appears to be a change in very low-level "brain circuitry" functioning, the specific effects it has aren't very predictable either. The most common one is afaik sensory processing weirdness, which really can turn out either way (or both at the same time). Since I can compensate pretty much all issues I have in most situations (things I [I]absolutely[/I] can't do include going to a disco, and apparently joining the military but the latter might be more due to blanket categorisation on their part), I have the questionable advantage of being invisibly disabled. It's nice because people won't pity or coddle me because of it unless I tell them (seriously, both of those options suck), but if/when I do have some autism-related problem I need help with (and the person I ask for help isn't [I]actually[/I] familiar with autism), there's a good 80% chance their first reaction is to start pitying me. I know it's not out of malice, but it still really hurts. It really gets on my nerves sometimes that the only places I can be somewhat open about this are online (way less 'nice' people around, at least in the areas I frequent) or with friends whom I've known for a while, but as long as organisations like Autism Speaks continue to perpetuate the "autism is an absolutely life-destroying illness in all cases" stereotype I really don't see how I can do much about it. Excessive tone policing in professional spaces is another issue in that regard, but at least there the ones promoting it are often well-meaning and will hear me out, which means it normally only takes a post or two to resolve that. Really though, if you meet someone who's autistic and you're not sure if you need to pay attention to anything, just ask directly! I'm pretty hardy all things considered, so in my case the answer would be "just treat me like you would anyone else, if anything comes up I'll tell you", but it's entirely possible someone's disability means they need specific accommodation. That goes for pretty much any disability really, but autism can get pretty non-obvious in this regard. In any case, I'd say that most autistic people you'll meet will probably be on the "pretty normal, just a bit quirky" side. (There is a distinction between autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and autism specifically, which you may want to read up on. [I]As far as I know[/I] it's only a categorisation by severity and symptoms but the underlying issue is roughly the same. It's pretty muddled in general conversations though, and Autism Speaks just outright doesn't seem to care.)
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;50274955]And it shouldn't be cured because...?[/QUOTE] You can't cure it. That's like saying you should fix a Toyota because its not a BMW. Autism's symptoms are caused by a rewiring of the neurons in the brain. Good luck 'curing' that. It's not a disease. Its like being born gay.
[QUOTE=Grocel;50282334]So I guess, Proboardslol's doctor either: A: Had a revolutionary and secret in-womb diagnostic system for the autism spectrum B: His parent's were both diagnosed to be autistic which would had brought him to make a guess C: Or that doctor didn't even knew two fucking cents about autism[/QUOTE] I may be thinking of downs
[QUOTE=catbarf;50277347]You know, people are born with [url=http://depressiongenetics.stanford.edu/mddandgenes.html]genetic triggers for depression[/url] too and that isn't comparable with influenza either. Same goes for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. So if I'm understanding this logic correctly, because depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder aren't the flu, we shouldn't try to cure/fix/whatever them. Even if it will dramatically improve quality of life in the patients, they're not diseases and people are born with them so we shouldn't do anything. Help me out here, because right now the idea that mental disorders that make it harder for people to have a normal quality of life shouldn't be addressed medically simply because they're genetic is sounding really stupid.[/QUOTE] His example was shit, and he wasn't saying it [i]shouldn't[/i] be [i]cured[/i] either. Read his post: he said it [i]cannot[/i] be cured, which is true. It would require some absurd chemicals and/or surgery that we currently don't have or know about to 'get rid' of it. All you can do is alleviate the symptoms or prevent it (designer babies/abortion) and this is what we should be working towards for more severe autism. For high-functioning autists, like myself, we people just need to be integrated better into society at a young age. Autism at its base is a social disorder. The more severe it is, the harder it is for those suffering from to communicate with other people. This leads many of them to isolate themselves from the world around them and often 'fixate' on a single thing they enjoy, spending all the time that normal people would be socializing or worrying about social situations on things like trains, legos, herpetology, mathematics, and the list never really ends. Its a specific fixation for the individual, after all. And when autism is really severe, we often WRONGLY label these people as 'stupid' or along the lines of people with downs syndrome when this is not the case. They just have no way to properly communicate with other people and have no way to develop the understanding of social norms. This leads to behavior we deem as unacceptable and parents often treat their kids like shit because of this, destroying any possibility of them recovering even a little bit. There are cases of where people with severe autism actually find an outlet to communicate despite all this and its almost breathtaking how intelligent they are despite their behavior: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMBzJleeOno[/media] And just a reminder: [i]Autism is not a disease[/i]. Its a syndrome and syndromes are a name we give to a set of symptoms and can be caused either by a genetic disorder or multiple diseases producing the same reaction.
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