Netherlands must outlaw (pirate) downloading because of the EU ruling - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Falchion;44516919]Making piracy legal would make no fucking sense. There's a long stretch between hollywood pirate hunts and the simple realisation that if enough people pirated it would not be feasible to create media content. This is basically a self contradiction because I'm not against piracy but I still know it's not for good.[/QUOTE] It makes sense if you consider that piracy is mainly a accessibility problem. For example; My familly pays for netflix so we can watch all the shows we want etc. BUT Netflix does not have a linux client thus I use popcorn time/regular torrents to watch my shows on my linux computers. I have a spotify premium account so I can listen to all the music I want BUT the audio quality tends to be shit and the interface makes me cringe. So I download a lot of music in flac format and listen to it that way. Also the linux client is shit. A lot of shows/movies are not shown over here untill like 3 weeks after they came out (or even longer) so I download them.

Down with the EU.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44516996]It makes sense if you consider that piracy is mainly a accessibility problem. For example; My familly pays for netflix so we can watch all the shows we want etc. BUT Netflix does not have a linux client thus I use popcorn time/regular torrents to watch my shows on my linux computers. I have a spotify premium account so I can listen to all the music I want BUT the audio quality tends to be shit and the interface makes me cringe. So I download a lot of music in flac format and listen to it that way. Also the linux client is shit. A lot of shows/movies are not shown over here untill like 3 weeks after they came out (or even longer) so I download them.[/QUOTE] I know many classic stealing pirates who would pay for things if they weren't so easy to just take for free. The problem of shitty services is another case.

Taste my VPN

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44515715]What, you can't ignore one ruling or they'll boot you out? No wonder there's so much anti-EU sentiment in the UK.[/QUOTE] 'what is the rule of law'

[QUOTE=Falchion;44517056]I know many classic stealing pirates who would pay for things if they weren't so easy to just take for free. The problem of shitty services is another case.[/QUOTE] Again that's an accessibility problem. That's why Netflix got so popular. Because it's easier and faster to use then to pirate the show/movie

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44517115]Again that's an accessibility problem. That's why Netflix got so popular. Because it's easier and faster to use then to pirate the show/movie[/QUOTE] Depending on where you get the content it can be almost or just as fast to pirate something (there are many devoted and efficient pirates and pirate communities) and the price factor is there too obviously.

No wait bad reading. Portugal has the same "legal for personal use but not for sale" stuff and I don't see the EU cracking down on it.

Pirating is supposedly illegal here too, nobody is enforcing it tho lol

Also the Netherlands wasn't exactly innocent in this either: [quote]To compensate copyright holders, the Netherlands passed a law that, since January 2013, imposed a "piracy levy" on writeable media such as blank CDs and DVDs, hard drives and electronic devices with storage capacity. Importers of laptops, tablets, smartphones, and MP3 players have to pay a 5 EUR copyright levy to the Dutch Home Copying Foundation, and the price of a blank CD or DVD includes 3 cents for the levy, according to Dutch News. [b]The European Court of Justice ruled that this system is unlawful, and even unfair, as it makes people who do not download illegal material pay for those who do.[/b] "All users are indirectly penalised since they necessarily contribute towards the compensation payable for the harm caused by private reproductions made from an unlawful source," the court wrote. "Users consequently find themselves required to bear an additional, non-negligible cost in order to be able to make private copies." [b]Following this ruling, the country's Ministry of Security and Justice announced that downloading pirated material is now effectively illegal.[/b] But it also specified that the ban is based on civil law, so infringers will not be prosecuted and will not face criminal charges, as reported by PCWorld.[/quote] That was a pretty shit law the ECJ did good on getting rid of. There's also: [quote]The Dutch anti-piracy foundation Brein announced on Thursday that [b]it won't go after individual downloaders[/b], but only sites and services that facilitate the access to illegal material. The case reached the ECJ after several electronics stores and manufacturers sued the Home Copying Foundation, and the Dutch Supreme Court asked the ECJ for a ruling on the matter.[/quote] So people can still pirate all they want worry free AND don't have to pay extra for storage devices.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44516996]It makes sense if you consider that piracy is mainly a accessibility problem. For example; My familly pays for netflix so we can watch all the shows we want etc. BUT Netflix does not have a linux client thus I use popcorn time/regular torrents to watch my shows on my linux computers. I have a spotify premium account so I can listen to all the music I want BUT the audio quality tends to be shit and the interface makes me cringe. So I download a lot of music in flac format and listen to it that way. Also the linux client is shit. A lot of shows/movies are not shown over here untill like 3 weeks after they came out (or even longer) so I download them.[/QUOTE] Didn't Popcorn Time get taken down a little while back?

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;44515430]Expect that often we can't watch or buy the content people get in for example the United States for months or years. We can't pay for them or watch them legally so we download them. So this is stupid. Edited: Also, sorry for the extra thread that popped up, had some internet problems when I posted this and it double posted.[/QUOTE] You can, you're just not looking hard enough. For example Game of Thrones after HBO realized a lot of foreign people watched it they made it possible to be a good boy and pay for watching it. NL is here for example: [url]http://www.itshbo.nl/[/url] Being a thief is never acceptable.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44518470]Didn't Popcorn Time get taken down a little while back?[/QUOTE] Some people made a branch and continued working on it. I honestly prefer it over netflix. [url]http://popcorn-time.tv[/url] [editline]11th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Crypptic;44518571]You can, you're just not looking hard enough. For example Game of Thrones after HBO realized a lot of foreign people watched it they made it possible to be a good boy and pay for watching it. NL is here for example: [url]http://www.itshbo.nl/[/url] Being a thief is never acceptable.[/QUOTE] read the entire thread

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;44515430]Expect that often we can't watch or buy the content people get in for example the United States for months or years. We can't pay for them or watch them legally so we download them. So this is stupid. Edited: Also, sorry for the extra thread that popped up, had some internet problems when I posted this and it double posted.[/QUOTE] Same thing here in Sweden. I love to watch Community, I would gladly pay for a service where I could stream the latest episodes. But no, Community is exclusive to Hulu in the US when it comes to streaming. If they don't want my money, that's fine, but I'll get access to the content regardless so it is their loss. The only reason I was subscribed to Netflix was because I could access Netflix US through proxies and watch stuff from this decade compared to the Swedish site.

[url]http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/5403/Internet/article/detail/1850465/2014/04/11/Europa-legt-illegaal-downloaden-in-Belgie-voorgoed-aan-banden.dhtml[/url] The ruling also applies to Belgian law. However, our government won't try very hard to enforce it on individuals.