University of Maryland investigating Kappa Sigma frat after racist e-mail leaks - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sasherz;47329413]I personally suspect this person does not actually think this way and adopted that way of speaking and acting because his frat acts like that. I had friends in school who acted like that sometimes with certain people, even though they also had [B]friends of other races[/B].[/QUOTE] [quote][B]friends of other races[/B][/quote] That's literally racist

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47330918]You don't need to go to university to receive an education on "how not to be a racist pile of fuck". You just need someone to sit you down and tell you, "hey, that's not cool and here's why". No sociology courses, no monetary requirement, just a simple chat to explain why they're wrong. How the hell did you manage to misconstrue "education fixes racism" that badly?[/QUOTE] Then how come people attribute lack of education to how badly some poor neighborhoods act? If you don't need money to educate them, why aren't we doing it then if it's that easy? You're trivializing the issue too much. Just telling someone what's wrong and why does not stop people from doing wrong.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;47329691]way to go facepunch in a thread about racism people still fail to see that blatant generalizations bad[/QUOTE] For one, people choose to join frats and there are plenty of rich people who don't. Also, while not every frat member is a douche, there is a pervasive culture of douchebaggary in Greek chapters.

[QUOTE=Shinycow;47329982]to be fair he said, "Don't invite any nigger gals or curry monsters or slanted eye chinks, [b]unless they're hot.[/b]" sure the words are racist but if he will go for a hot black chick or a hot asian then he's not racist. he just doesnt want one of these coming: [img]http://i.imgur.com/59Ze4X8.png[/img] which is understandable[/QUOTE] I wonder what this even means?

I feel ashamed that I plan on going there in a year. Though by then I hope things get cleared up.

[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;47331301]I feel ashamed that I plan on going there in a year. Though by then I hope things get cleared up.[/QUOTE] This is exactly why the uni is investigating a private email.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47330106]This sounds like a cult way too much.[/QUOTE] And Facepunch is a group of people of varying backgrounds and interests, united by garrysmod. I don't get why people think Fraternities sound cult like. [editline]15th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Smasher 006;47330119]This just sounds like a Uni society/group of friends you have to pay an extraordinary amount of money to join. Or do american uni's not have proper societies, so you have to bunch together like this.[/QUOTE] Usually around 75% of the money you pay in Dues goes to Nationals for insurance. You aren't paying for a group of friends, you are paying to join a national society as old as the United States itself. I don't understand why most people think you are paying for friends. No one is profiting from it. Sure you pay money but that money (besides what goes to Nationals) can be used to fund brotherhood events, socials with sororities, and pay for housing supplies. Any organized group needs funds raised and managed.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47331237]That's literally racist[/QUOTE] I fail to see how. Enlighten me?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47330918]You don't need to go to university to receive an education on "how not to be a racist pile of fuck". You just need someone to sit you down and tell you, "hey, that's not cool and here's why". No sociology courses, no monetary requirement, just a simple chat to explain why they're wrong.[/QUOTE] That's no guarantee either. Humanity has an [b]incredibly[/b] long history of not being convinced otherwise through simple chats.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47331248]Then how come people attribute lack of education to how badly some poor neighborhoods act? If you don't need money to educate them, why aren't we doing it then if it's that easy? You're trivializing the issue too much. Just telling someone what's wrong and why does not stop people from doing wrong.[/QUOTE] Educating en-mass might actually require some money, you'd have to run campaigns and shit. But if you catch people being racist individually, it's totally free to have a go at telling them why they shouldn't be racist. We're not talking about educating masses here, just a guys from a frat that apparently didn't get the message that you can't be racist. People in higher and further education really have zero reason to not have come across this kind of stuff, they should understand why you can't just say "nigger" without consequence. [editline]16th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Paramud;47331589]That's no guarantee either. Humanity has an [b]incredibly[/b] long history of not being convinced otherwise through simple chats.[/QUOTE] This is quite a problem. You might get lucky and your argument might be good enough to convince them, but if it doesn't, at least you tried.

These are the kind of people who go on to higher levels of education/successful jobs. gg everybody, better luck next Earth.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;47331481] Usually around 75% of the money you pay in Dues goes to Nationals for insurance. You aren't paying for a group of friends, you are paying to join a national society as old as the United States itself. [/QUOTE] I'd love to see a source on 75%. Can't speak for everyone but my chapter's dues to international is less than a third. Of that we get a gold brother bin (which is worth a years dues anyway) and a bunch of workshops which are paid for by international. I'd wager that way less than 20% of dues go for insurance, most of it goes back to the chapter, which then pays for our activities. A lot the time it ends up being cheaper because it's basically group buying for alcohol.

[QUOTE=Shinycow;47329982]to be fair he said, "Don't invite any nigger gals or curry monsters or slanted eye chinks, [b]unless they're hot.[/b]" sure the words are racist but if he will go for a hot black chick or a hot asian then he's not racist. he just doesnt want one of these coming: [img]http://i.imgur.com/59Ze4X8.png[/img] which is understandable[/QUOTE] Sexual attraction is not the same as racial tolerance. Literal slave owners habitually raped their female slaves, but that didn't change their prejudices any.

[QUOTE=sasherz;47331512]I fail to see how. Enlighten me?[/QUOTE] You're talking about human beings, not dogs. Establishing "races" within the human race is racist by itself, because there's no such thing as different races. We're all human, skin color and some variations in facial structure aren't enough to differentiate races. Then again it seems like the US definition of racism is widely different from the European one because I've always been taught that considering someone of a different complexion another race entirely is racist while US people seem to accept the whole race thing and only consider it racist to discriminate between them.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47333448]Establishing "races" within the human race is racist by itself, because there's no such thing as different races. [/QUOTE] You bring up a good point. Race is widely agreed among scientists to be untenable, and I myself personally don't bother with the classification. However, considering members of what are widely socially agreed upon to be different races are offended by certain words (nigger, chink, etc) as demonstrated by this incident and many others in the past, race as a social concept is still widely accepted despite the fact it is not scientifically justified, like horoscopes and astrology. In effect, calling me a racist because I said the friend was "of another race" is in essence calling anyone who thinks of other people as another race "racists". From a purely denotational standpoint, this would be somewhat of a stretch but is in a way correct. However, using the word in it's popular connotation to describe that statement is incorrect. Racism's popular definition involves prejudice and discrimination in the form of labeling certain races as inferior or superior. I do not think this way and did not exhibit this attitude in my statement. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;47333448]Then again it seems like the US definition of racism is widely different from the European one because I've always been taught that considering someone of a different complexion another race entirely is racist while US people seem to accept the whole race thing and only consider it racist to discriminate between them.[/QUOTE] Maybe. I derive my definition of racism from the popular definition prevalent in the United States. Here, race is still widely socially accepted as a classification of a human being. Unfair treatment of someone because they are of another race or using their race as a negative towards them is considered taboo and in many cases illegal. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;47333448]We're all human, skin color and some variations in facial structure aren't enough to differentiate races.[/QUOTE] On the contrary, race as a human classification is DEFINED by physical characteristics such as skin color and facial structure.

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;47328641]I may spend the majority of time in my dorm room playing video games or in the library doing homework by myself, but at least I wasn't so socially inept I felt the need to pay for friends which is all greek life is.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Taepodong-2;47329998]Stop trying to justify that you're wasting money to hang around a bunch of dudebros who are going to forget you exist within a year of graduation, you're just making yourself look stupid.[/QUOTE] Considering you're the guy that literally cannot stop whining to the [I]facepunch airsoft community[/I] about how all the girls you know are bitches and you constantly complain about your lack of social life and so desperately need to get laid, this is such an example of pot calling the kettle black. You're like the last person in the world to be on a high horse about other people being 'socially inept'. Most frats are just about the kind of close-knit community that can be hard to find on a big college campus. I was never part of one myself but my brother is and a bunch of my friends were, and you know what? They're sociable people who have fun with like-minded people. That's really it. It's a social club, and the weird antisocial people I knew in college weren't the ones joining frats, they were the ones who sat around playing videogames instead of interacting with other people. Maybe stop trying to project your insecurities onto others?

I am offended

I cannot stand these greek fucks. I don't understand why campuses allow greek life anymore; 99% of the issues with students come from the mongoloids

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47328910]Does anyone else think the people talking like this about "greek life" sound creepy and religious about it too or is it just me? [editline]Edited:[/editline] "Our community/church helps run fundraisers and food drives! (and rapes little boys/drunken women in the back room, but ignore that part)"[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's just another set of fundamentalist groups that paint the walls in their good deeds while at various mixers they're raping women in the backroom of a frat house. When these bafoons aren't acting under the guise of professionalism to meet the bare requirements to keep their chapter open they are acting like complete assholes. It really is no better than any other fundamentalist organization.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;47336035]Yeah, it's just another set of fundamentalist groups that paint the walls in their good deeds while at various mixers they're raping women in the backroom of a frat house. When these bafoons aren't acting under the guise of professionalism to meet the bare requirements to keep their chapter open they are acting like complete assholes. It really is no better than any other fundamentalist organization.[/QUOTE] Lol. Yes. All fraternities are literally composed of rapists.

[QUOTE=MadPro119;47336072]Lol. Yes. All fraternities are literally composed of rapists.[/QUOTE] don't forget the [URL=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=_1kHVYKeJbeLsQShzoD4Aw&url=http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-virginia-frat-pledge-nolan-burch-had-0-493-blood-n295101&ved=0CC0QFjAF]binge drinking[/URL] and [URL=http://thedartmouth.com/2012/01/25/lohse-telling-the-truth/]sadism[/URL]

[QUOTE=Luni;47336440]don't forget the [URL=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=_1kHVYKeJbeLsQShzoD4Aw&url=http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/west-virginia-frat-pledge-nolan-burch-had-0-493-blood-n295101&ved=0CC0QFjAF]binge drinking[/URL] and [URL=http://thedartmouth.com/2012/01/25/lohse-telling-the-truth/]sadism[/URL][/QUOTE] You are 100% missing the point. You are applying a few horrific news stories to a group composed of over 9 million people nationally. [editline]17th March 2015[/editline] I'm sure [URL=http://www.phideltatheta.org/?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=118]Neil Armstrong[/URL] and [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau_Beta_Pi#cite_note-TBPi_Distinguished-12]Buzz Aldrin[/url] were both sadistic binge drinking rapists.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47330106]This sounds like a cult way too much.[/QUOTE] not really the frat I was interested in at this same university in the article had like a 3.75 average GPA and did a shit ton of public service activities and fundraisers and shit, that's the kind of values they mean. in fact in order to go to the parties you had to participate in some study groups and have some number of hours of participation in the service stuff they did. Really great group of guys if you think "frat=bad" you're a fucking moron who fails to see why racism is bad

I actually go to the University of Maryland and got an email earlier this morning from the President of the University talking about this if you guys are interested: [QUOTE]March 17, 2015 Dear University of Maryland community: The joys of spring break do not erase the pain all of us have felt in the past few days. It was caused by the revelation of an email that one of our students, a fraternity member, wrote last year. The sexist, racist, and misogynist message, which also disparaged consent in sexual conduct, has provoked angst and anger on our campus and beyond. Now, we must work to undo this damage, promote healing, and do justice. Our Office of Civil Rights and Sexual Misconduct, in concert with our Police Department, is conducting a thorough investigation to determine all the facts in the case. They are proceeding with all deliberate speed, in accordance with applicable laws and policies. "The history of liberty has been the history of procedural safeguards," wrote Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter. Process is as important as outcome. Justice rushed is justice compromised. There are gray areas where competing rights and values clash. As president, it is my responsibility to see that they are all taken into account in addressing this case. Speech that demeans, dehumanizes, and elicits fear in others is "hate speech." It violates the fundamental right to human dignity: every person -- regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation -- has the right to be included and respected as a member of our society. It causes personal and collective harm. Free speech is also a fundamental right in our democracy. It is reflected in the adage "I condemn what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Not sanctioning speech that is odious and hurtful is a price that we pay to live in a free society. We fight speech with more speech. As there is no exact moment between night and day, a thin, gray line separates free speech from hate speech. Our assessment of this case will call for careful judgment, taking into account the circumstances, intent, and time of this email and its impact over the past 15 months. We are also mindful of First Amendment jurisprudence, which recognizes that no right is so absolute as to trump all other rights. Meanwhile, as we investigate this case, we must also act so that our entire University community learns from this incident: Reaffirm principles of civil discourse; safeguard intellectual and personal safety; promote free and open dialogue; strengthen community resiliency; build bridges rather than walls or moats between different groups. We are not alone. In the past year, many universities have been roiled by overt racism and sexism in Greek life, mainly in fraternities. Of course, to fault an entire population for the words or deeds of one individual or a few is the very definition of prejudice. But these incidents do not occur in a vacuum. The challenge is not only changing individual hearts and minds. It is changing organizational culture. Fraternities and sororities have a valued place in student life at our University. I am pleased to see that, already, the presidents of our Greek Associations ([url]http://ter.ps/8p4[/url]) have issued public statements calling for unity of purpose across racial and gender lines. The Inter-Fraternity Council: ([url]http://ter.ps/8p0[/url]) asked its 2,200 members to "stand up now" to counter the "racist, violent, and hateful" words of "one student." National Panhellenic Council: ([url]http://ter.ps/8p2[/url]) "This email attacked the values and beliefs of everyone in our Greek community...We must stand up in solidarity against hate..." Multicultural Greek Council: ([url]http://ter.ps/8p1[/url]) "Where we should see unity, we see segregation .... We cannot let one incident divide our community ...." Panhellenic Association:([url]http://ter.ps/8p3[/url]) "It is our responsibility as brothers and sisters to hold one another accountable and to a higher standard .... How we handle hardships and what we learn from them will define us more than the incidents themselves." Their words are wise and resonant. In my Twitter chat last week that reached over one million Twitter accounts, the president of our Student Government Association asked if I would participate in educational forums on campus related to this email incident. I tweeted back: "Yes, absolutely." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote, "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that." I believe that education is that light. Once classes resume, I will meet with leaders of some student organizations, including the SGA president. I will also meet with the University Senate executive committee. My purpose is to seek their guidance and engagement to broaden our boundaries of inclusiveness. Together, we shall make our campus community a more perfect union. I ask each of you to do your part to make this a teachable moment. Sincerely, Wallace D. Loh President [/quote] Where I usually sit down and eat my lunch, I can overhear conversations from some frat kids and they really do only talk about the parties they've been to, the dumb shit that happened at them, and how annoyed they are by their homework and classes. It's really just annoying, honestly. I like to party as much as the next guy but I don't let it be the ONLY thing that I do or have to talk about.

Why is "nigger" highlighted and "chink" left untouched?

[QUOTE=gk99;47341147]Why is "nigger" highlighted and "chink" left untouched?[/QUOTE] Because racism against black people is the only thing the media tends to care about.

[QUOTE=gk99;47341147]Why is "nigger" highlighted and "chink" left untouched?[/QUOTE] Probably to draw a closer connection to the other most recent Fraternity (SAE) involved in a Racism scandal. (The one with the Frat guys chanting, "We wont have a nigger in SAE") [editline]17th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;47340607]not really the frat I was interested in at this same university in the article had like a 3.75 average GPA and did a shit ton of public service activities and fundraisers and shit, that's the kind of values they mean. in fact in order to go to the parties you had to participate in some study groups and have some number of hours of participation in the service stuff they did. Really great group of guys if you think "frat=bad" you're a fucking moron who fails to see why racism is bad[/QUOTE] The reason they have all of those requirements, (Which do vary from Chapter to Chapter) is to help regulate their unending immoral and disgusting behavior. If they didn't have these requirements then the only news that would ever come from Greek Society is the negative things we do see. Which to me is a bit unnerving; because, let's face it, a good majority of people who involve themselves in Greek Societies are doing it for the partying, connections and tradition. I bet you'll be hard pressed to find a frat guy more concerned with volunteering hours to pick up garbage on city/university streets than getting laid at the mixer that evening. Because in all honesty when he and his brothers finish their mandatory CS work they're going to just bitch about it later on the way to the party. Essentially, the whole, "WE DO GOOD TOO!" excuse is rather fucking dumb. You know what, forcing people to do good things and have mandatory participation does not mean there is not something fundamentally wrong with Greek Societies. Especially when the only thing holding someone back from participating in a frat house gangbang on a roofied student is whether or not they went to the Autism Awareness fundraiser on campus.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47331237]That's literally racist[/QUOTE] No, it's literally the opposite? "I have friends that are black" "That's racist" [editline]17th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rainhorror;47341273]Because racism against black people is the only thing the media tends to care about.[/QUOTE] That's what I figured.

[QUOTE=Rainhorror;47341273]Because racism against black people is the only thing the media tends to care about.[/QUOTE] US has a more wider known history of racism against black people than Asians. Just the media pandering to their viewers for ratings, I would bet.

[QUOTE=gk99;47344807]No, it's literally the opposite? "I have friends that are black" "That's racist"[/QUOTE] I doubt this is what they were getting at, but to be honest it's not at all uncommon for someone to say something racist and then try to act like they aren't racist by saying [i]"I'm not racist, I have black friends!"[/i] as if it makes a difference. Basically, a good chunk of the people who feel the need to say [i]"I have black friends"[/i] are actually racist.