Suicide bomber in Stockholm - 1 dead; the suicide bomber - Polidicks

[url]http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article8275447.ab[/url] I'll google-translate this article so you non-swedish speaking people at least understand what the main point of this article is all about. [quote=Newspapper] Expert: Bombs are much worse than expected First we talked about suicide's equipment as "amateurish". Now the experts have changed their minds. Taimour Abdulwahab was carrying enough explosives to kill hundreds of people. And injury to 500. Twelve minutes before the first explosion at Drottninggatan Taimour Abdulwahab sent an email with a number of terrorist threats to the security police from his mobile. At 16:52 the car exploded in a sea of fire and Taimour went out in the Christmas rush. SAPO's theory is that he was heading for Finland or Åhléns. - It was Christmas season and he was in Stockholm and was extremely well equipped with bomb materials. There is a reasonable assumption that he was going to a place with as many people as possible, "said chief prosecutor Tomas Lindstrand. Blow up in more places With the bar Taimour Abdulwahab a backpack full of nails and explosives, a bomb belt and another bomb that looked like a pressure cooker. - One hypothesis is that the parts were destined for different locations and that he would blow himself up as a sort of finale, "says Tomas Lindstrand. But along the way something went awry. - A mistake was made and some of the bombs fired and caused his death. Double-explosive On Sunday, the day after the bombing, considered various bomb experts his equipment from what was known by the police. Some of the first the reviews was that the equipment he carried with him at his death was amateurish. Now, instead describing the failed attempt as "well planned". And have a better idea of how much explosives he really wore on. - There are more explosive than we knew before. It has doubled compared to last Sunday, said the bomb expert Bo Janzon to SvD. It was probably just a coincidence that the planned massacre of the holiday shopping season did not occur. - He was extremely well equipped with bomb materials, "said chief prosecutor Tomas Lindstrand. 400-500 wounded The exact amount is still unknown, but a rough estimate gives some indication of that power had been unleashed on the bombs exploded simultaneously. Bo Janzon believe that the explosion could injure people up to one hundred meters from the offender. This means a distance of 200 meters where all had been in mortal danger. - It could have been a hundred people killed and 400-500 injured, said Janzon.[/quote]

What the fuck are terrorists doing in Sweden?

[QUOTE=-Shinji-;26691969]What the fuck are terrorists doing in Sweden?[/QUOTE] Living here... Oh wait yeah, one used to.

He said in recordings that there are more people like him here. votes for Sverige Demokraterna will surley rise..

[QUOTE=Mryamanami;26708954]He said in recordings that there are more people like him here. votes for Sverige Demokraterna will surley rise..[/QUOTE] That's a good thing.

[QUOTE=Kade;26630843][img_thumb]http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_Latest_Headlines/3_Sweden_Car_Explosions.sff.jpg?t=1292109229[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_Latest_Headlines/2_Sweden_Car_Explosions.sff.jpg?t=1292109228[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Looks like he got :iceburn:

[QUOTE=thisispain;26663225]well stopping immigration is not an answer because you need immigration to survive economically[/QUOTE] reducing the amount of refugees that come to sweden to spend money as they can't speak the language, have no education, etc. and take those who have education, those who know the language, those who will work is one solution to economical survival. who is going to hire a person who can't speak swedish, who has no real education, who in the worst cases can't even read? there is a difference between "stopping immigration" and stopping paying for education and unemployment benefits to people who are more unlikely to work than not to work. then stuffing malmö full of immigrants, is sure to cause cultural clashes like the shootings there has been in the past, and sadly some of the immigrants are extremists, like this bombing made in the name of jihad. luckily nobody was killed except the bomber.

[QUOTE=Chekko;26691568][url]http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article8275447.ab[/url] I'll google-translate this article so you non-swedish speaking people at least understand what the main point of this article is all about.[/QUOTE] that's stupid, there's no way that he could have killed 100 people i'd say maximum 20 [QUOTE=Mryamanami;26712781]how can you be sure, he had like 6 bombs plus a bag with over 200 nails, that would bring alot of people to their deaths.[/QUOTE] Let's start with the car. He used some sort of explosive (don't know what) to make the car go boom. You can see the car burning here: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pMaGiEtIC0[/url] 2 people were slightly injuried by the first bomb inside the car. No one was injured by the other "boom" which was probably some small explosive He probably expected it to behave as a thermobaric charge since the car was loaded with some LPG cylinders, probably long & thin model. I can't find any numbers about how many. LPG cylinders has a safety valve which safely releases the LPG at X degrees. These were untampered with and thus did their job. See more here (it's about propane ) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCf8z89HhE0[/url] You'd need a good fuel-air mixture and a booster charge maybe 25 ms later to get this FAE effect. Kind of hard for a terrorist to achieve this when LPG is one of the worst choices + it requires a good air volume. The pipe bombs on his stomach [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p89uR7jb4oY[/url] at 0:50 From reports, the window near the explosion was still intact, small cylindric shaped containers with a pyrotechnical mix total of ~500g, probably flash or black powder and barely any fragments causing a cluster effect with most of its blast pointed upwards at what rate, 400-1000m/s? Even if all the pipebombs had exploded the damage would have been marginal, judging by the small energy that the pipe bomb that exploded generated. The backpack with nails I can't find anything about what the backpack was loaded with except nails but let us assume he used black powder there aswell, then yes it would have created more damage but it would still be relatively limited by the low energy generated. If the backpack was not loaded with any explosives, which means he that he expected the pipe bombs on his stomach to spread the nails? Judging by pictures of the suicide bomber, the damages on his body would be like blowing a can of hair spray near your body and I doubt it would have spread the nails any significant distance even if all the pipe bombs had exploded The last explosive, or "something that looks like a pressure cooker bomb" A pressure cooker with thermobaric composition of a few kilograms can cause a devastating effect, especially indoors. Thermobaric charges by all means but I doubt an idiot with black powder in his belt can get a hold of such a highly explosive substance in his pressure cooker bomb. Could the suicide bomber kill 100 people, IF he had used maybe plastic explosives, his car bomb causing a big crowd to gather and EVERYTHING would have worked out perfectly? It's likely What's the chance of that? I doubt it even exists.

[QUOTE=Cuel;26712400]that's stupid, there's no way that he could have killed 100 people i'd say maximum 20[/QUOTE] how can you be sure, he had like 6 bombs plus a bag with over 200 nails, that would bring alot of people to their deaths.

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[QUOTE=evilking1;26712235]reducing the amount of refugees that come to sweden to spend money as they can't speak the language, have no education, etc. and take those who have education, those who know the language, those who will work is one solution to economical survival. who is going to hire a person who can't speak swedish, who has no real education, who in the worst cases can't even read? there is a difference between "stopping immigration" and stopping paying for education and unemployment benefits to people who are more unlikely to work than not to work. then stuffing malmö full of immigrants, is sure to cause cultural clashes like the shootings there has been in the past, and sadly some of the immigrants are extremists, like this bombing made in the name of jihad. luckily nobody was killed except the bomber.[/QUOTE] but i don't understand because most immigrants are from Europe abroad. the largest group of immigrants in sweden are finns

Too bad he will never got to know that he failed.

[QUOTE=thisispain;26723869]the largest group of immigrants in sweden are germans[/QUOTE] where'd you find this info? i've only seen 2 germans in my entire life living in sweden

[QUOTE=thisispain;26723869]but i don't understand because most immigrants are from Europe abroad. the largest group of immigrants in sweden are germans[/QUOTE] Finns, actually. There are a very few Germans in Sweden.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26729270]Finns, actually. There are a very few Germans in Sweden.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thisispain;26723869]but i don't understand because most immigrants are from Europe abroad. the largest group of immigrants in sweden are germans[/QUOTE] Iraq has been the biggest group for years, but it's slowing down now. Somalia and Iraq was also the biggest group due to related reasons.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26729290]Iraq has been the biggest group for years[/QUOTE] iraq makes up 0.5% of the population this is exactly my point, you guys don't know shit about your own country, and the swedish democrats are exploiting you [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Ond kaja;26729270]Finns, actually. There are a very few Germans in Sweden.[/QUOTE] my apologies, correct, finns make up 4.99%, followed by assyrians at 0.88, then norwegian at 0.5 where is the immigration problem because i'm not seeing it... [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26729290] Somalia and Iraq was also the biggest group due to related reasons.[/QUOTE] 0.1% source is the swedish census

[QUOTE=thisispain;26729530]iraq makes up 0.5% of the population this is exactly my point, you guys don't know shit about your own country, and the swedish democrats are exploiting you[/QUOTE] That's what it looks like to me too. The opinions (when voiced) of swedish people on here tend to be rather strong on this subject.

[QUOTE=thisispain;26729530]iraq makes up 0.5% of the population this is exactly my point, you guys don't know shit about your own country, and the swedish democrats are exploiting you [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] my apologies, correct, finns make up 4.99%, followed by assyrians at 0.88, then norwegian at 0.5 where is the immigration problem because i'm not seeing it... [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] 0.1% source is the swedish census[/QUOTE] I'm not sure you are blind or a elitist, but you indeed make me laugh either way :D [url]http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scb.se%2FPages%2FTableAndChart____231104.aspx&act=url[/url]

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26730172]I'm not sure you are blind or a elitist, but you indeed make me laugh either way :D [url]http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scb.se%2FPages%2FTableAndChart____231104.aspx&act=url[/url][/QUOTE] Those numbers are only counting immigration from 2009, not previous immigration.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26730708]Those numbers are only counting immigration from 2009, not previous immigration.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article402150.ab[/url]

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26730708]Those numbers are only counting immigration from 2009, not previous immigration.[/QUOTE] Feel free to check more info on the site, but since the rest is just pdf's knock yourself out. [url]http://www.scb.se/statistik/_publikationer/BE0101_2008A01_BR_10_BE0109TAB.pdf[/url] [url]http://www.scb.se/statistik/_publikationer/BE0101_2007A001_BR_10_BE0108TAB.pdf[/url] [url]http://www.scb.se/statistik/_publikationer/BE0101_2006A01_BR_BE0107TEXT.pdf[/url] Iraqis has been the major group for several years.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26734898]Feel free to check more info on the site, but since the rest is just pdf's knock yourself out. [url]http://www.scb.se/statistik/_publikationer/BE0101_2008A01_BR_10_BE0109TAB.pdf[/url] [url]http://www.scb.se/statistik/_publikationer/BE0101_2007A001_BR_10_BE0108TAB.pdf[/url] [url]http://www.scb.se/statistik/_publikationer/BE0101_2006A01_BR_BE0107TEXT.pdf[/url] Iraqis has been the major group for several years.[/QUOTE] Those publications are per year and not a concluded view of all immigrants. We've had a HUGE amount of immigrants from Finland during the 50's, 60's and the beginning of 70's. Then we've had immigrants from Jugoslavia during the 90's. Iraqis being the biggest immigration group is only recent. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Splendor;26732822][url]http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article402150.ab[/url][/QUOTE] Irrelevant.

[QUOTE=thisispain;26723869]but i don't understand because most immigrants are from Europe abroad. the largest group of immigrants in sweden are finns[/QUOTE] Yes and finns almost always fall to the category of having an education and working - not seeking asylum.

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26734988]Those publications are per year and not a concluded view of all immigrants. We've had a HUGE amount of immigrants from Finland during the 50's, 60's and the beginning of 70's. Then we've had immigrants from Jugoslavia during the 90's. Iraqis being the biggest immigration group is only recent. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] Irrelevant.[/QUOTE] You are damn fucking right ti don't concluded view of all immigrants. Take all numbers multiply them with at least 3 and you got all the immigrants here to stay, not to stay or staying illegally waiting to be accepted.

no virgins for you

[QUOTE=Ond kaja;26734988]Those publications are per year and not a concluded view of all immigrants. We've had a HUGE amount of immigrants from Finland during the 50's, 60's and the beginning of 70's. Then we've had immigrants from Jugoslavia during the 90's. Iraqis being the biggest immigration group is only recent. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] Irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Really now? I didn't see alot of Swedish names on there, especially considering we make up more than 90% of Sweden's population.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26730172]I'm not sure you are blind or a elitist, but you indeed make me laugh either way :D[/QUOTE] i'm utterly confused is the census not correct? and how am i blind or elitist? what kind of fucking retarded statement is that. [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26736470]You are damn fucking right ti don't concluded view of all immigrants. Take all numbers multiply them with at least 3 and you got all the immigrants here to stay, not to stay or staying illegally waiting to be accepted.[/QUOTE] you aren't making even the slightest bit of sense the simple fact is 0.5% of the population is iraqi [editline]16th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Splendor;26737071]Really now? I didn't see alot of Swedish names on there, especially considering we make up more than 90% of Sweden's population.[/QUOTE] you make up 85%

[QUOTE=Splendor;26737071]Really now? I didn't see alot of Swedish names on there, especially considering we make up more than 90% of Sweden's population.[/QUOTE] Because that doesn't have any relevance to how many immigrants come from each country, which we are discussing. Damn, just because we're discussing immgration doesn't automatically mean we are discussing crime, did you even read the discussion?

pretty sure splendor is just gentleman reincarnated which means just like before i'm not going to get any evidence and simply get bullshit from jihad watch, and brage nyman doesn't even know what he's talking about so this is a dead-end argument if anyone wants to dispute the census please proceed

[QUOTE=thisispain;26737656] you aren't making even the slightest bit of sense the simple fact is 0.5% of the population is iraqi [/QUOTE] We were talking about the biggest group immigrating to Sweden. Go back and follow our quotes, then sit in the corner over there next to the fat guy and cry me the worlds biggest river.