• The Numbers Activision: Black Ops 2 sales is a cause of concern says finical analyst
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[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38699849]Honestly I'd like it if it was a 2 year gap with call of duty's not just 1 every year, I reckon you could get some level of quality if treyarch or IW had more time. Like COD4 wouldn't of been made the way it was if treyarch/grey matter studios stepped in and did 2 games while IW was hard at work on IW 3.0[/QUOTE] Not everyone knows this, but the call of duty games have a 2 year development cycle. The reason they come out each year is because the cycles are intertwined so that when Infinity Ward releases a game, Treyarch is halfway through their next game, then when Treyarch releases their game, Infinity Ward is halfway through their next game and so on vice versa. IMO Modern Warfare 2 was a huge improvement from CoD4 and was hardly a rehash. Of course MW2 went on to be so incredibly successful but then all that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Ward#2010_employee_firings_and_departures]DRAMA[/url] happened and Infinity Ward was in a mess while Black Ops was nearing release. Activision, in an act of desperation, got Sledgehammer and Raven working on MW3 with IW. Activison, not wanting to take any chances, told them to focus on the content and not focus with innovation or engine improvements. (With MW2 they also released IW 4.0 which had texture streaming and various other improvements.) Due to that, MW3 looked like nothing more than an expansion to MW2, because its development was hampered and rushed compared to the others. Also, Black Ops didn't use IW 4.0 and instead used IW 3.0, CoD4's engine, with their own improvements.
Today [QUOTE=BCell;38700392]The game industry needs a new genre of video games to overthrow the dominant [B]modern military[/B] FPS games and also perhaps the people are waiting for Christmas to buy the games?[/QUOTE] Last generation [QUOTE=BCell;38700392]The game industry needs a new genre of video games to overthrow the dominant [B]World War 2[/B] FPS games and also perhaps the people are waiting for Christmas to buy the games?[/QUOTE] The one before [QUOTE=BCell;38700392]The game industry needs a new genre of video games to overthrow the dominant [B]futuristic [/B]FPS games and also perhaps the people are waiting for Christmas to buy the games?[/QUOTE] :v: Also saw this coming. MW3 sold overall less than Black Ops. It's still massively popular and sells well, just not as much as previous ones for two years in a row now. This specific one is a shame though because Black Ops 2 is a genuinely well designed shooter. It doesn't fix all the problems I have with CoD, but it fixes a fair bit, and Treyarchs last installment (funnily enough, Black Ops) was also enjoyable. I know for a fact I won't be buying any more Infinityhammer games until they show atleast a little bit of interest in making the game better instead of worse every release, maybe a new engine would do it. The market is just getting too flooded with CoD titles, and it shows with me personally being a fan of the series. CoD4 I played several hundred hours of across 3 platforms, MW2 a couple hundred, again Blops a couple hundred, MW3 I played for 40 hours, and right now I'm sitting at 51 hours with Blops 2 and am not really feeling in a mood to play it anymore and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the only one. Though I'm also not particularly into Battlefield 3 or Planetside 2 either. I just think I'm tired of these aim down sight shooters.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;38700580]Today Last generation The one before :v: Also saw this coming. MW3 sold overall less than Black Ops. It's still massively popular and sells well, just not as much as previous ones for two years in a row now. This specific one is a shame though because Black Ops 2 is a genuinely well designed shooter. It doesn't fix all the problems I have with CoD, but it fixes a fair bit, and Treyarchs last installment (funnily enough, Black Ops) was also enjoyable. I know for a fact I won't be buying any more Infinityhammer games until they show atleast a little bit of interest in making the game better instead of worse every release, maybe a new engine would do it. The market is just getting too flooded with CoD titles, and it shows with me personally being a fan of the series. CoD4 I played several hundred hours of across 3 platforms, MW2 a couple hundred, again Blops a couple hundred, MW3 I played for 40 hours, and right now I'm sitting at 51 hours with Blops 2 and am not really feeling in a mood to play it anymore and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the only one. Though I'm also not particularly into Battlefield 3 or Planetside 2 either. I just think I'm tired of these aim down sight shooters.[/QUOTE] 55 hours for me goddamn i need a life.
Brand degradation caused by stagnation and lack of innovation And I enjoy CoD
[QUOTE=koeniginator;38700576]Also, Black Ops didn't use IW 4.0 and instead used IW 3.0, CoD4's engine, with their own improvements.[/QUOTE] And it's funny to note that their modified IW 3.0 engine is way more better than IW 5.0 because I don't know if IW will introduce some PC features like blops 2 did such as dx11 support and fucking hopefully 16xx AA
What I want from the next military shooter: Scientific accuracy regarding physics, cover mechanics, and weapons Focus on single player, with 12-13 hour campaign and character development beyond basic setting stuff. Large scale battles and vehicle engagements Not to be a gadget toting elite, as fun as it is, just a basic infantry man a plot that doesn't require fucking insane POV jumping (I'm looking at you MW3) Female characters (almost everything except Black ops 2)
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;38700040]So Activision's falling a bit. Blizzard's starting to struggle with WoW, and Diablo 3 got mixed feedback THQ's barely survived, but might get some positive attention from their Bundle (poor Relic) Squeenix also really needs to push out something good, which may or may not affect Eidos' Thief 4 EA's stocks weren't doing too well last time I checked either. How's Ubi doing?[/QUOTE] And Dishonored exceeded expectations, so it's not all bad.
Every single CoD has made hundreds of millions dollars every year. half a billion if not more this year. As much i want to see CoD and activision die. It probably wont happen if mindless consumers keep giving them there money.
[QUOTE=Minimal;38701544]Every single CoD has made hundreds of millions dollars every year. half a billion if not more this year. As much i want to see CoD and activision die. It probably wont happen if mindless consumers keep giving them there money.[/QUOTE] You want a series millions love and a developer that employs thousands of people to die? That's pretty vindictive
I'd like to see a FPS based on WWI. Imagine, stealthily crawling through the shitty trenches while your buddies are getting mowed down to your left and right, then suddenly somebody's lobbing poison gas into your position. Could be fun. Also, a Korean War game could be fun.
Funny that the sales dropped when they released the first half-decent game in the series in years. Not surprising considering the audience, though.
It's almost as if releasing more or less the same game every year isn't a viable business model. It's a shame that it had to start with this one though, BO2 is actually pretty decent.
So they might finally get that people are fed up with their shit.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;38700553]MOBAs are becoming a thing with titles like Awesomenauts or Super Monday Night Combat steering it away from the original "DOTA clone" formula while establishing what core elements still make it a MOBA.[/QUOTE] SMNC actually became a [I]thing[/I] at some point? As someone who enjoyed it, it was dying a slow and cancerous death shortly after its release and still is.
why everyone saying sales are catastrophically failing? BO2 still made 500 million opening weekend. Maybe more and more people are just buying the games opening weekend instead of later.
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;38701782]why everyone saying sales are catastrophically failing? BO2 still made 500 million opening weekend. Maybe more and more people are just buying the games opening weekend instead of later.[/QUOTE] No one's saying it failed catastrophically, but this could be the beginning of the end. There have been nine COD games, it's only a matter of time before people get sick of it.
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;38701482]What I want from the next military shooter: Scientific accuracy regarding physics, cover mechanics, and weapons Focus on single player, with 12-13 hour campaign and character development beyond basic setting stuff. Large scale battles and vehicle engagements Not to be a gadget toting elite, as fun as it is, just a basic infantry man a plot that doesn't require fucking insane POV jumping (I'm looking at you MW3) Female characters (almost everything except Black ops 2)[/QUOTE] sounds like you want america's army people don't like america's army [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TheFishyG;38701645]I'd like to see a FPS based on WWI. Imagine, stealthily crawling through the shitty trenches while your buddies are getting mowed down to your left and right, then suddenly somebody's lobbing poison gas into your position. Could be fun. Also, a Korean War game could be fun.[/QUOTE] It's a real shame the US lost the Vietnam war because now they're sore losers and the only decent game depicting it was Battlefield: Vietnam The enemies are fresh, the guns are fresh, the enviroments would look AMAZING with modern day graphics (tesselated swamp water and plants ohmygod) so why don't they use that?! [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mugofdoom;38701884]No one's saying it failed catastrophically, but this could be the beginning of the end. There have been nine COD games, it's only a matter of time before people get sick of it.[/QUOTE] there's over a dozen Command and Conquer games, don't count on it
It's only because of the futuristic stuff, once the next modern warfare comes out that takes it back to boring old modern shit all the military loving kiddies will jump back on
On one hand it sucks for Treyarch, who make the only interesting CoDs, but on the other hand, HAH!, fuck you Activision, I hope that $440 million worth loss costs your boney ass dearly! [QUOTE=BCell;38700392]The game industry needs a new genre of video games to overthrow the dominant modern military FPS games.[/QUOTE] Whatever comes next, I hope it involves an experience that challenges more than just the run-shoot-teabag-die reflexes; maybe something open-worldy that rewards exploration and crafting and building a place to call your own, sort of like Minecraft or DayZ but without as many blocks or rampant killers respectively.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;38700698]Brand degradation caused by stagnation and lack of innovation And I enjoy CoD[/QUOTE] This is all that Activision has been doing for years, first with Tony Hawk, then Guitar Hero, and now with CoD. It's fucking deplorable.
[quote]reduced 2013 estimates from $4.74 billion to $4.3 billion.[/quote] [i]ohhhhh noooooooo[/i]
Can't wait until next year when they declare the next one a failure too. Only instead of using confusing numbers and stuff, they will just outright state "we didn't achieve total global saturation, we've failed".
I'd like to see a fps in The Rhodesian Bush War Roland the headless thompson gunner shall be the theme
[QUOTE=Bobie;38702492][i]ohhhhh noooooooo[/i][/QUOTE] ohgod ohgod they're gonna be poor
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38702664]ohgod ohgod they're gonna be poor[/QUOTE] "Oh shit, we didn't outsell our last release!" "Fire the entire marketing team"
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;38702480]This is all that Activision has been doing for years, first with Tony Hawk, then Guitar Hero, and now with CoD. It's fucking deplorable.[/QUOTE] Indeed, hopefully this will encourage them to take more "good risks" rather than just keep things as samey as possible.
[QUOTE=JustGman;38700488]WW2 games were done to death a few years ago and people are already sick of modern games.[/QUOTE] Whatever, just don't go back to Modern Warfare. AFTER THE SLAYING OF MAKAROV, AN UNEXPECTED CHARACTER WANTS REVENGE FOR THE DEATH OF SOMEONE DEAR TO HIM... IT'S UP TO CAP. PRICE, TO COME IN FROM THE COLD, TO STOP SHEPARD'S SON BEFORE HE PROVOKES A WORLDWIDE CONFLICT IN SEARCH OF VENGEANCE FOR THE DEATH OF HIS FATHER, AND THE LOSS OF ALIMONY FROM THE ARMY.
[QUOTE=racerfan;38702741]"Oh shit, we didn't outsell our last release!" "Fire the entire marketing team"[/QUOTE] "Where the fuck are the Doritos and Mountain Dew people when you need them?!"
[QUOTE=koeniginator;38700576]Not everyone knows this, but the call of duty games have a 2 year development cycle. The reason they come out each year is because the cycles are intertwined so that when Infinity Ward releases a game, Treyarch is halfway through their next game, then when Treyarch releases their game, Infinity Ward is halfway through their next game and so on vice versa. IMO Modern Warfare 2 was a huge improvement from CoD4 and was hardly a rehash. Of course MW2 went on to be so incredibly successful but then all that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Ward#2010_employee_firings_and_departures"]DRAMA[/URL] happened and Infinity Ward was in a mess while Black Ops was nearing release. Activision, in an act of desperation, got Sledgehammer and Raven working on MW3 with IW. Activison, not wanting to take any chances, told them to focus on the content and not focus with innovation or engine improvements. (With MW2 they also released IW 4.0 which had texture streaming and various other improvements.) Due to that, MW3 looked like nothing more than an expansion to MW2, because its development was hampered and rushed compared to the others. Also, Black Ops didn't use IW 4.0 and instead used IW 3.0, CoD4's engine, with their own improvements.[/QUOTE] No matter how many times you say this, people can't get this through their thick little heads. Mw2 was in no way a rehash as said. It was actually quite different, and it only really had a few real problems, which Activision then made even worse. Everything was an improvement. Graphics, sounds, gameplay... And very entertaining to boot. The graphics were soo fucking pretty actually, and the singleplayer, despite with a few holes, had some pretty sweet parts. It saddens me that it's dead, because it ended up being a memorable online experience, and actually a good one at that. I feel like people exaggerated on the bad things by A LOT. Mw3?... Not so much. It improved a bit on the gameplay, although imo, some things it has are just fucking annoying and bad. That killstreak with the 4 jumping mines comes to mind. Graphics were abnormally bad, they used a filter or some shit that just made it look bad or something, I don't know. It just looks awful compared to Mw2 or Mw1. Sounds were meh, and if you listened closer to a few guns where they just switched the sounds, you'd laugh your ass off, not to mention some guns sound like garbage, and I did use to enjoy the sounds. And I STILL haven't finished the story, since it got boring a bit over half way through. It possibly didn't have any memorable part, and got extremely boring. The parts where you are fighting russians who are invading are extremely boring "shoot X number of guys, walk a bit, shoot some more, walk another bit" parts with nothing interesting happening and nearly the same scenarios everywhere, and the rest of the game is a bunch of "I got intel that some guy knows where makarov is, lets go there ask him and kick his ass" and stuff of the sort. It really shows what the fall of IW did to the MW series, going from inovation to just copy pasting and changing a few things here and there. Hell, even Bowling quit after Mw3, and if I recall it was because of not being able to do great things anymore. Treyarch better watch out so they don't fall on the same routine.
[QUOTE=dass;38702813]Whatever, just don't go back to Modern Warfare. AFTER THE SLAYING OF MAKAROV, AN UNEXPECTED CHARACTER WANTS REVENGE FOR THE DEATH OF SOMEONE DEAR TO HIM... IT'S UP TO CAP. PRICE, TO COME IN FROM THE COLD, TO STOP SHEPARD'S SON BEFORE HE PROVOKES A WORLDWIDE CONFLICT IN SEARCH OF VENGEANCE FOR THE DEATH OF HIS FATHER, AND THE LOSS OF ALIMONY FROM THE ARMY.[/QUOTE] Call of Duty 10: Modern Warfare 4: Those Wacky Russians Are Still At It. STAY FROSTY. 2013.
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