• Right Wing’s Surge in Europe Has the Establishment Rattled
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[QUOTE=Midas22;42813790]Preservation of national identity and culture.[/QUOTE] And how does the presence of foreign people harm either of those?
There are parts of their culture that harm others here in the UK such as FGM, Honor Killings, forced marriage and "Home-Grown" terrorism. They've all been problems in the past here in the UK with the latest media buzz being FGM (Female Genital Mutilation). The UK has been a mulitcultural place for a very long time now, ever since colonial times but these parts of the UK's multiculture aren't welcome yet they're still problems. People that live in the UK need to respect UK culture just like if you're a guest in someones house you act polite.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813854]There are parts of their culture that harm others here in the UK such as FGM, Honor Killings, forced marriage and "Home-Grown" terrorism. They've all been problems in the past here in the UK with the latest media buzz being FGM (Female Genital Mutilation). The UK has been a mulitcultural place for a very long time now, ever since colonial times but these parts of the UK's multiculture aren't welcome yet they're still problems. People that live in the UK need to respect UK culture just like if you're a guest in someones house you act polite.[/QUOTE] Well, extremism isn't gonna stop for anything. That is an issue that is connected to extremists, not normal religious followers or ethnic groups.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813754]No, thats patriotism. I thought an American would know what patriotism is.[/QUOTE] they're pretty much the same thing.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813790]Preservation of national identity and culture. You don't really need to close the entire flood gates and halt immigration 100% to do it either.[/QUOTE] lmao this isn't nationalism nationalism is "i hate the brownies for reasons i don't understand so i'm gonna grasp at straws" fuck nationalism and fuck nationalists.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;42813908]Well, extremism isn't gonna stop for anything. That is an issue that is connected to extremists, not normal religious followers or ethnic groups.[/QUOTE] FGM is standard practice in some parts of Africa just like circumcision, nothing to do with religion or extremism, just [I]culture[/I] and we also religion can be part of culture. [QUOTE=yawmwen;42813929]lmao this isn't nationalism nationalism is "i hate the brownies for reasons i don't understand so i'm gonna grasp at straws" [/QUOTE] Now is that your personal opinion or are you dressing it up as fact?
Screw the right wingers. We need to bring back Marxism, topple the imperialist-capitalist regime of our bourgeois masters via class-war and establish a workers paradise in which all resources and means of production are owned and controlled by the proletariat masses!
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813930] Now is that your personal opinion or are you dressing it up as fact?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.englisc-gateway.com/bbs/index[/url] [url]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/[/url] [url]http://www.kkk.com/[/url] [url]http://www.nsm88.org/[/url]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42813980][URL]http://www.englisc-gateway.com/bbs/index[/URL] [URL]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/[/URL] [URL]http://www.kkk.com/[/URL] [URL]http://www.nsm88.org/[/URL][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Midas22;42813729]Thats because what I'll call the extremist nationalists such as BNP and Golden Dawn always ruin it for the moderates and give it a bad name.[/QUOTE] On top of that, I didn't realize KKK or any of the other were running for office.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42813929]lmao this isn't nationalism nationalism is "i hate the brownies for reasons i don't understand so i'm gonna grasp at straws" fuck nationalism and fuck nationalists.[/QUOTE] Nationalism is when you identify yourself with your respective nation and its national identity/background. That's literally all it is. It can be a left-wing phenomenon as easily as it can be a right-wing phenomenon Ultranationalism/ethnic/racial nationalism is what you're describing.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;42813998]Nationalism is when you identify yourself with your respective nation and its national identity/background. That's literally all it is. It can be a left-wing phenomenon as easily as it can be a right-wing phenomenon Ultranationalism/ethnic/racial nationalism is what you're describing.[/QUOTE] no it isn't. nationalism is nazism, fascism, and what you call "ultranationalism" you are talking about nationality which is a different thing. [QUOTE=Midas22;42813997]On top of that, I didn't realize KKK or any of the other were running for office.[/QUOTE] there is no such thing as a moderate nationalist. a moderate nationalist is just a neo-nazi who hasn't "come out" yet.
Nationality is your country of birth... What he described is correct.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813997]On top of that, I didn't realize KKK or any of the other were running for office.[/QUOTE] They did once lol.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42814039]Nationality is your country of birth... What he described is correct.[/QUOTE] lmao of course a neo-nazi would say this. no nationality has less to do with country of birth and more to do with the nation you identify yourself as a part of. a mexican immigrant can say their nationality is american.
A Mexican can't say his nationality is American because he's Mexican. Nationality is a legal thing.
and btw your racist support of throwing foreigners into the sea would get rid of tons of british nationals who happened to immigrate.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42814011]no it isn't. nationalism is nazism, fascism, and what you call "ultranationalism" you are talking about nationality which is a different thing. [/QUOTE] That isn't strictly true, fascism and Nazism are extreme forms of nationalism. Nationalism can be moderate, but it's still a very right wing ideology.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42814011]no it isn't. nationalism is nazism, fascism, and what you call [/QUOTE] Semantics.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42814081]Semantics.[/QUOTE] the semantics are important because the nationalists have been trying to associate themselves with nationality in their effort to commit acts of violence and oppression on anyone who isn't part of their ubermensch.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42814011]no it isn't. nationalism is nazism, fascism, and what you call "ultranationalism" you are talking about nationality which is a different thing.[/QUOTE] You have no idea what you're talking about. Fascism and National Socialism are distinctive political ideologies which rely on ultranationalism as components of their schools of thought. In the case of National Socialism, it relies as well on ethnic and racial nationalism. There are different types of nationalism. This is not something that's new, either. There's liberal/civic nationalism, in which people recognize and identify themselves as belonging to their respective nation; there's left-wing nationalism, in which people also dedicate themselves to national determination, sovereignty, and equality. Nationalism deals with your nationality, that's correct. But every type of nationalism has different opinions on what dictates a person's nationality. It can simply be based off where a person is born, where they're legally a citizen of, etc. An ultranationalist or a racial nationalist isn't going to be in agreement at all with a liberal nationalist; they believe a person's nationality is determined by their race and/or dominant national ideals (including religion). Watching conversations Facepunchers have had this last week or so with Hellsten on this topic has shown quite clearly that the majority of users here have no idea what nationalism is exactly.
[QUOTE=Vasili;42812670]They are largely the reason right winged politics has been increasing at least for the internets part and why so many cases recently have had such 360% turn arounds (the most famous being the Trayvon Martin case which /pol/ was largely behind).[/QUOTE] huh what? can you explain this?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42814092]the semantics are important because the nationalists have been trying to associate themselves with nationality in their effort to commit acts of violence and oppression on anyone who isn't part of their ubermensch.[/QUOTE] Really? Have they?
[QUOTE=Midas22;42814039]Nationality is your country of birth... What he described is correct.[/QUOTE] So immigrants can never be part of their new country?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42814138]So immigrants can never be part of their new country?[/QUOTE] Yea he kinda lost me there too. I'm a Nationalist and I believe your Nationality is whichever country you choose to live in and politically and culturally connect to. Nationalists and immigration is probably one of more polarizing topics. Its almost always super easy immigration versus super difficult immigration. If you have a welfare state, difficult immigration is pretty justifiable. But racial or cultural limits on immigration pretty much assures you're going to have more emigrants than immigrants, not very sustainable.
[QUOTE=Midas22;42813617] also not all nationalists are racists[/QUOTE] racists hate people because of skin colour nationalists hate people because of invisible lines on the ground I didn't think it possible but nationalists may just be dumber than racists
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42814386] nationalists hate people because of invisible lines on the ground [/QUOTE] Thats true to an extent but nations are more than just lines in the ground.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42814422]Thats true to an extent but nations are more than just lines in the ground.[/QUOTE] true sometimes the borders are water
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42814439]true sometimes the borders are water[/QUOTE] sometimes mountains as well.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42814444]sometimes mountains as well.[/QUOTE] But mountains are on the ground
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42814519]But mountains are on the ground[/QUOTE] they aren't a line in the ground because they don't go into the ground though!!
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