• Right Wing’s Surge in Europe Has the Establishment Rattled
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;42831241]I can't read that[/QUOTE] Sorry, English summary is on page 15.
[QUOTE=catchall;42830001]actually there's an important distinction between tribalism and feudalism tribalism is affinity for a clan - basically a large extended family. members are more closely related to each other than they are to the rest of the population (but not so related that you get awful inbreeding) feudalism enforced prohibitions on things like cousin marriages and weakened kin ties in favor of fealty to the local lord. I'm not sure about japan, but we can detect the echoes of this in western europe with genetic studies. populations that had the most feudalism tend to be more outbred[/QUOTE] Wasn't the reason feudal societies were often outbred due to the fact the lord had incredibly strong control over his subjects, to the level that he could ban the movement of them. Similar to kolones in Rome. And in order to maintain as many subjects as he could, he barred people from migrating and as such groups ended up isolated in a sense. As to nobles and outbreeding - small group, that mostly married between each other. [editline]12th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=catchall;42829831]well considering the austro-hungarian empire dissolved in 1918, it's not surprising there was nationalism a century before that before those times people were loyal to their religion and to their local lord, not to their ethnicity. the only exception I can think of is dutch revolt[/QUOTE] Yeah, not counting the hussite wars for instance? Which took place in 1450 and many other revolts which did essentially cause nations to form and emerge. A great example which even increased the nation building were the Habsburg attempts at supplanting national high bornes with German ones and essentially driving the populace against them. In a lot of ways if you want to take a look at how nations states and national views and identities formed, the Habsburg monarchy is an amazing example, since it was a collective state with multiple ethnicities, languages, germanisation (in the west) and hungarisation (in the east) attempts. The truth is, national identities get established fairly quickly, the idea of a nation governing merely itself and also ejecting people which are not part of the identity is the more modern concept.
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