• More than 50% of Americans back Obama gun regulations
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also [img]http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ain70tmedewnb877hjihsw.gif[/img] look who's in the lead here
[QUOTE=download;39351591]Everyone has a motive of some sort[/QUOTE] So you've got nothing to show that this data is skewed, but assume it is because it [I]must[/I] be? Even under the assumption that Americans don't know what's in the AWB, they asked them about specific aspects of gun control, as can be seen in the first image, and even then the lowest level of support for any one measure was more than 50%. If you're just dismissing it on a hunch or a feeling that it must be skewed to the point of irrelevance, then that's not very sound reasoning.
[QUOTE=download;39351545]I Even if it is accurate, I don't think this poll matters much. [/QUOTE] Backpedal harder because you realized you were less qualified to comment on polling statistics than fucking Gallup. If their results said that 90% of Americans were against gun regulation you wouldn't be nearly as bothered with some kind of perceived bias.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39351598]also [img]http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ain70tmedewnb877hjihsw.gif[/img] look who's in the lead here[/QUOTE] As it indicates in the image, this is more about specifics of what to do about gun control, not just "do you like the status quo" or "do you not like the status quo".
[QUOTE=Last or First;39351490]How fucking big are your hands if you can hold over 1000 M&M's? Because 1000 isn't a handful. Just so you know. In case you didn't. [sub]Which you didn't[/sub] [sub][sub]Because you implied that 1000 people is a "handful"[/sub][/sub] [sub][sub][sub]And it most definitely is not[/sub][/sub][/sub] [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] Would it kill you to [b]actually read the goddamn article[/b] you're writing off as 'skewed'?[/QUOTE] I don't understand what you're getting at. Who cares about a handful of something? That's not the point.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39351615]As it indicates in the image, this is more about specifics of what to do about gun control, not just "do you like the status quo" or "do you not like the status quo".[/QUOTE] look at any gallup poll and the statistics are all over the place. take that as you want, but I take it as they're not picking their samples very well
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39351623]look at any gallup poll and the statistics are all over the place. take that as you want, but I take it as they're not picking their samples very well[/QUOTE] Or more likely, as is the case with most polls, they are not taken from the exact same people every time. There's a margin of error of course, which while typically not too large (if it is then the poll's probably unreliable) still causes some variation.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39351607]So you've got nothing to show that this data is skewed, but assume it is because it [I]must[/I] be? Even under the assumption that Americans don't know what's in the AWB, they asked them about specific aspects of gun control, as can be seen in the first image, and even then the lowest level of support for any one measure was more than 50%. If you're just dismissing it on a hunch or a feeling that it must be skewed to the point of irrelevance, then that's not very sound reasoning.[/QUOTE] They didn't ask them what the AWB entails, so they didn't exactly ask them the specifics, did they? All they said was "Do you support reinstating and strengthening the AWB...?" That doesn't say anything about what the person knows about AWB [QUOTE=Raidyr;39351612]Backpedal harder because you realized you were less qualified to comment on polling statistics than fucking Gallup. If their results said that 90% of Americans were against gun regulation you wouldn't be nearly as bothered with some kind of perceived bias.[/QUOTE] Nice assumption, try again
This poll does show that people are more willing to spend vast sums of their money in the form of tax revenue hiring and training police offers and strengthening school security and mental healthcare, which brings up an interesting question. Considering the fact that a lot of gun owners (generalizing here) tend to take economically conservative positions, would they be willing to give the government more taxes and control over the citizenry in exchange for laxer gun laws?
[QUOTE=Megafan;39351637]Or more likely, as is the case with most polls, they are not taken from the exact same people every time. There's a margin of error of course, which while typically not too large (if it is then the poll's probably unreliable) still causes some variation.[/QUOTE] the margin of error is massive in most gallup polls
[QUOTE=download;39351641] Nice assumption, try again[/QUOTE] The latter part is an assumption but one built from your post history. You are backpedaling though.
[QUOTE=download;39351641]They didn't ask them what the AWB entails, so they didn't exactly ask them the specifics, did they? All they said was "Do you support reinstating and strengthening the AWB...?" That doesn't say anything about what the person knows about AWB[/QUOTE] Well to put it specifically, they listed a few questions pertaining to the president's proposal for gun control, one of which was "do you support reinstating the former Assault Weapons Ban". Even if that one aspect were dramatically unknown compared to the others, it still shows relatively significant support for the other measures.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;39351619]I don't understand what you're getting at. Who cares about a handful of something? That's not the point.[/QUOTE] You care, apparently, since you said that over 1000 people is "a handful". Besides that, your point is "Oh, there's a (very very very VERY small) chance that this is just a fluke!" Yes, there is that chance. It is [I]freakishly[/I] small. [QUOTE=Shadow Core;39351506]Gun's don't kill people.. people do.. un-arming citizens is the first action of a dictator... Hitler did it in Germany (It is true)[/QUOTE] ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany]no[/url] it is [url=http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/67-harcourt.pdf]not[/url])
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39351653]the margin of error is massive in most gallup polls[/QUOTE] You're going to need a source for that. While certainly not impossible it's not something you can just state without support.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39351647]This poll does show that people are more willing to spend vast sums of their money in the form of tax revenue hiring and training police offers and strengthening school security and mental healthcare, which brings up an interesting question. Considering the fact that a lot of gun owners (generalizing here) tend to take economically conservative positions, would they be willing to give the government more taxes and control over the citizenry in exchange for laxer gun laws?[/QUOTE] that depends on what you mean by "control over the citizenry"
[QUOTE=Megafan;39351660]Well to put it specifically, they listed a few questions pertaining to the president's proposal for gun control, one of which was "do you support reinstating the former Assault Weapons Ban". Even if that one aspect were dramatically unknown compared to the others, it still shows relatively significant support for the other measures.[/QUOTE] The other measures are pretty self explanatory from their names, the AWB however is full of buzz words designed to make you support it
[QUOTE=download;39351462]Because most FP'ers know what the AWB is and why it's retarded, unlike most people who get their news from the sensationalist media[/QUOTE] Yeah because everyone that doesn't share your point of view is an uninformed moron.
[QUOTE=download;39351673]The other measures are pretty self explanatory from their names, the AWB however is full of buzz words designed to make you support it[/QUOTE] Well, do you think if it was explained to each person about the specifics of an 'assault weapon', regarding pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc. that support for it would decrease significantly? I don't support the AWB myself, but this is not a poll about whether it's good or not, it's a poll about whether people support it.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39351647]would they be willing to give the government more taxes and control over the citizenry in exchange for laxer gun laws?[/QUOTE] So, some sort of "gun license" that requires a yearly fee that's a x amount of their income or something like that?
[QUOTE=Megafan;39351688]Well, do you think if it was explained to each person about the specifics of an 'assault weapon', regarding pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc. that support for it would decrease significantly? I don't support the AWB myself, but this is not a poll about whether it's good or not, it's a poll about whether people support it.[/QUOTE] I would like to think people would not support it if they knew if was a cosmetic ban, but I can't trust people to not be idiots [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;39351679]Yeah because everyone that doesn't share your point of view is an uninformed moron.[/QUOTE] Just uninformed, don't need to be a moron to fall into the trap of sensationalist media
[QUOTE=download;39351698]I would like to think people would not support it if they knew if was a cosmetic ban, but I can't trust people to not be idiots[/QUOTE] Well again, the poll is not about the quality of the AWB, it's about support for the AWB.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39351668]You're going to need a source for that. While certainly not impossible it's not something you can just state without support.[/QUOTE] just go look at them. there's rarely less than 5% variation, and that's huge when it comes to statistics
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39351653]the margin of error is massive in most gallup polls[/QUOTE] By the way, to attempt to answer this specifically, Gallup has a blurb regarding the margin of error in their polls: [quote=Gallup]These probability surveys are valid within a statistical margin of error, also called a 95% confidence interval. This means that if the survey is conducted 100 times using the exact same procedures, the margin of error would include the "true value" in 95 out of the 100 surveys. [B]With a sample size of 1,000 the margin of error for at 50% is ±3 percentage points.[/B] The country details document lists a margin of error for each country survey. The margin of error reflects the influence of weighting. Because these surveys use a clustered sample design, the margin of error varies by question, and if a user is making critical decisions based on the margin of error, he or she should consider inflating the margin of error. In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can affect survey validity.[/quote] So, either ±3% is your idea of 'huge', or you have an outside source that disproves this.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39351704]Well again, the poll is not about the quality of the AWB, it's about support for the AWB.[/QUOTE] Yep, and we're sort've off topic, aren't we?
[QUOTE=Van-man;39351692]So, some sort of "gun license" that requires a yearly fee that's a x amount of their income or something like that?[/QUOTE] I don't mean direct taxation on gun owners like that, I mean general taxes raised for government expenditure. The $4 billion this article says could be spent on mental health by the government has to come from somewhere, and from what I know of conservative politics they generally dislike taxation, especially if it's to fund a government that is allowed to say you are too crazy to own a gun.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39351518]I could speculate and say that I think it's because guns are popular in nerd culture and Facepunch is a gaming a technology-related forum I could speculate further and say that nerd culture romanticizes exaggerated displays of masculinity and guns play into this But I would [I]neeeeveerrrr[/I] speculate like that[/QUOTE] see: the chuck norris fad
[QUOTE=Megafan;39351688]Well, do you think if it was explained to each person about the specifics of an 'assault weapon', regarding pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc. that support for it would decrease significantly? I don't support the AWB myself, but this is not a poll about whether it's good or not, it's a poll about whether people support it.[/QUOTE] I think it would decrease significantly if anyone knew what a barrel shroud or telescoping stock was for
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39351714]just go look at them. there's rarely less than 5% variation, and that's huge when it comes to statistics[/QUOTE] According to the page for this poll specifically, the variation is ±4%: [quote=Gallup]Survey Methods Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Jan. 19-20, 2013, on the Gallup Daily tracking survey, with a random sample of 1,013 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. [B]For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of error is ±4 percentage points.[/B][/quote] [url]http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx[/url]
Yo Megafan, let me ask you this: What makes you out rule ANY skepticism pertaining to this data? You seemingly defend it... Now I'm not saying that the data is right or wrong BUT I do have an educated opinion having taken several University level statistic classes and I must say, I am skeptical.
[QUOTE=download;39351717]Yep, and we're sort've off topic, aren't we?[/QUOTE] Someone's trying to remove focus from their lack of arguments :haw:
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