[QUOTE=Natrox;22960149]I told you! The blame is to be put on yourself for not protecting it, and on the thief for stealing it! But the one not protecting the bike has made it possible.[/QUOTE]
You'd make an excellent lawyer.
[QUOTE=raBBish;22960060]If I got stabbed and I wasn't wearing armor, I shouldn't sue the stabber because my wounds were healed in a hospital?[/QUOTE]
That's the dumbest analogy ever.
And you know well why.
Hell I can think of these dumb analogy's.
"Hurr durr, I leave my PSP outside at some bench. I return and it's gone, now I am going to sue the thief."
The law is the law, hacking is illegal no matter the age.
I love how you guys are bringing morality into this issue, morality and justice should not be put together, it doesn't matter if it was just a kid or if his life was ruined.
I also love how you are all saying that he should have protected his server, the thing is, it is already protected by the law.
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;22960153]how would wearing armor be relevant to this analogy[/QUOTE]
About as relevant as locks on a bike. Both could've prevented the crime but neither was used.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;22960206]The law is the law, hacking is illegal no matter the age.
I love how you guys are bringing morality into this issue, morality and justice should not be put together, it doesn't matter if it was just a kid or if his life was ruined.
I also love how you are all saying that he should have protected his server, the thing is, it is already protected by the law.[/QUOTE]
I can, however, express my opinion, and do put together morality and justice.
OP is just a genuine dick.
[QUOTE=Natrox;22960240]I can, however, express my opinion, and do put together morality and justice.
OP is just a genuine dick.[/QUOTE]
And you're a genuine idiot.
[QUOTE=Natrox;22960193]
"Hurr durr, I leave my PSP outside at some bench. I return and it's gone, now I am going to sue the thief."[/QUOTE]
Why not?
[QUOTE=Natrox;22960240]I can, however, express my opinion, and do put together morality and justice.
OP is just a genuine dick.[/QUOTE]
Well let's hope you never become a judge, cop or any kind of law enforcer.
[QUOTE=raBBish;22960216]About as relevant as locks on a bike. Both could've prevented the crime but neither was used.[/QUOTE]
No, because a bike getting stolen without locks is more common than getting stabbed and not wearing armor. You don't wear armor outside. That's some bullshit analogy.
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[QUOTE=gamefreek76;22960251]And you're a genuine idiot.[/QUOTE]
And you're a genuine idiot.
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[QUOTE=Electrocuter;22960256]Well let's hope you never become a judge, cop or any kind of law enforcer.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't planning on doing that.
EVERYONE LISTEN
THEY HACKED INTO HIS SERVER AND CHANGED AROUND THE WEBSITE AS WELL AS DELETED VITAL INFORMATION
SUPPOSEDLY THE OP HAD TAX INFORMATION ON THERE
THEY COMMITTED A SERIOUS CRIME
STOP DEFENDING THEM
ahem
[QUOTE=Doriol;22960252]Why not?[/QUOTE]
Does this kind of shit always apply to America?
[QUOTE=Natrox;22960193]That's the dumbest analogy ever.
And you know well why.
Hell I can think of these dumb analogy's.
"Hurr durr, I leave my PSP outside at some bench. I return and it's gone, now I am going to sue the thief."[/QUOTE]
You seriously are a genuine idiot.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22960285]EVERYONE LISTEN
THEY HACKED INTO HIS SERVER AND CHANGED AROUND THE WEBSITE AS WELL AS DELETED VITAL INFORMATION
SUPPOSEDLY THE OP HAD TAX INFORMATION ON THERE
THEY COMMITTED A SERIOUS CRIME
STOP DEFENDING THEM
ahem[/QUOTE]
OP had a backup.
It was dumb of him to leave sensitive files on a public server.
He should've restricted the uploader.
[QUOTE=Natrox;22960307]Does this kind of shit always apply to America?[/QUOTE]
Durr hurr I'm going to stereotype somebody based on their nationality in a vain attempt to avoid a question.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22960327]You seriously are a genuine idiot.[/QUOTE]
And you're a dickhead.
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[QUOTE=Doriol;22960341]Durr hurr I'm going to stereotype somebody based on their nationality in a vain attempt to avoid a question.[/QUOTE]
No. And I won't answer stupid questions like "Why not?".
You're an idiot if you leave valuable stuff outside without watching it. Then it's really your own fault.
Nice one OP, serves him right.
yeah what the fuck i should be able to have my server completely unsecure and be safe
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22960285]EVERYONE LISTEN
THEY HACKED INTO HIS SERVER AND CHANGED AROUND THE WEBSITE AS WELL AS DELETED VITAL INFORMATION
SUPPOSEDLY THE OP HAD TAX INFORMATION ON THERE
THEY COMMITTED A SERIOUS CRIME
STOP DEFENDING THEM
ahem[/QUOTE]
OP HAD TAX INFORMATION ON UNSECURED PUBLIC SERVER
OP IS TOTALLY RETARDED
ahem
Let me make this clear. I am not saying the police shouldn't have arrested them. I am just saying that there was little need for OP to go and fuck up someone's life like this.
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[QUOTE=haushippo;22960455]OP HAD TAX INFORMATION ON UNSECURED PUBLIC SERVER
OP IS TOTALLY RETARDED
ahem[/QUOTE]
Yeah, exactly.
If I'd be putting my bank account info on FP, and people steal money from me, it would be my own fault.
[QUOTE=BAZ;22960443]yeah what the fuck i should be able to have my server completely unsecure and be safe[/QUOTE]
In a perfect world you should, but sadly there are criminals and people like Natrox who sympathise with the criminals.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;22960552]In a perfect world you should, but sadly there are criminals and people like Natrox who sympathise with the criminals.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, stop trying to be funny now.
So you all think that OP is dumb for keeping important data on an unsecured public server?
How does that change that the hacker still hacked the server (which as some of you don't seem to know, is FUCKING ILLEGAL), altered websites and removed data? The hacker shouldn't get away with it just because the server had minimal or no security.
[QUOTE=Natrox;22959916]Of course I understand that it will always be illegal to steal a bike, it's just that if it's your own fault (like OP), it's a different story.
But these analogy's don't work. This is a server. Unprotected. Exploitable. You have your own responsibility over your files.
And you can't backup your bike and retrieve it. If my bike gets stolen and I can recover a backup of my bike, I wouldn't even bother to trace down the thief.[/QUOTE]
So Valve shouldn't have gone after the hacker who stole HL2 beta code since they still had the original.
[QUOTE=winsanity;22960811]So Valve shouldn't have gone after the hacker who stole HL2 beta code since they still had the original.[/QUOTE]
That's a much bigger situation. It involves a lot of money.
[QUOTE=Natrox;22961034]That's a much bigger situation. It involves a lot of money.[/QUOTE]
Hacking is fucking illegal, it doesn't matter who the person getting hacked is.
[QUOTE=AlphaGunman;22961099]Hacking is fucking illegal, it doesn't matter who the person getting hacked is.[/QUOTE]
I am not saying it isn't! Read my earlier posts before assuming these stupid things! I wouldn't be a dick towards some kids because they stole valuable info which I could replace, when I was dumb enough to host them on a public server.
Hacking remains illegal, okay?
HACKING.
REMAINS.
ILLEGAL.
Not related to this situation -> (And so is pirating games. But you don't tell the police that someone is pirating games, that's just dumb.) <- Not related to this situation[B]
I hope this post is clear now. I am going to stop arguing with you people. You all reply with the same shit over and over again, and I need to provide my same points, which you all keep disregarding. Bye.
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[QUOTE=haushippo;22959441]hey guys, i decided to run a public-facing web server on my computer that has tax records and shit on it and put an unrestricted upload script on it. then some retard scriptkiddie finds it and uploads c99shell because i was too stupid to put up any security measures. instead of acknowledging my own stupidity, i'm going to make an unnecessarily big deal out of it.[/QUOTE]
This.
If he ends up with criminal record, it can pretty much fuck him over for whole life. I am not saying that hacking servers and then just destroying information is cool, because it's not, but you should consider if you really get anything from blaming him.
[QUOTE=Natrox;22961270]
I hope this post is clear now. I am going to stop arguing with you people. You all reply with the same shit over and over again, and I need to provide my same points, which you all keep disregarding. Bye.
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Because your points are shit.
[QUOTE=Natrox;22961270]I am not saying it isn't! Read my earlier posts before assuming these stupid things! I wouldn't be a dick towards some kids because they stole valuable info which I could replace, when I was dumb enough to host them on a public server.
Hacking remains illegal, okay?
HACKING.
REMAINS.
ILLEGAL.
Not related to this situation -> (And so is pirating games. But you don't tell the police that someone is pirating games, that's just dumb.) <- Not related to this situation[B]
I hope this post is clear now. I am going to stop arguing with you people. You all reply with the same shit over and over again, and I need to provide my same points, which you all keep disregarding. Bye.
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PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORGIVEN FOR DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL WHILE FULLY KNOWING IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL.
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;22961352]This.
If he ends up with criminal record, it can pretty much fuck him over for whole life. I am not saying that hacking servers and then just destroying information is cool, because it's not, but you should consider if you really get anything from blaming him.[/QUOTE]
Last post in this thread.
I am delighted to see that there are more people who support my initial point.
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