Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort Charged with "Conspiracy Against United States"

[Big Dumb Patriot]

[QUOTE=Gbps;52842988]That's pretty much the sketchiest source for a leak I can imagine. A blog post about a darknet leak from a mail.ru address?

[editline]31st October 2017[/editline]

Holy shit this is hilarious. You can't make this shit up. (Video was from Mar '17)[/QUOTE]

Texts were confirmed real by Manafort himself.

[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/manaforts-ukrainian-blood-money-caused-qualms-hack-suggests-235473[/url]

[Quote]
Manafort acknowledged that his daughter Andrea had been hacked and corroborated the authenticity of at least some of the texts between him and her, but declined to comment on most of them.

The darknet website that posted the texts is associated with a hacktivist collective. The post accompanying the files was written early this month by an anonymous user who indicated that the motivation was payback for those who were “screwed” by Trump. The post also suggested that there was more information forthcoming on Manafort’s family.

The post included two sets of data files that appeared to have originated from the iPhone of Andrea Manafort — a series of screenshots and a database containing more than 280,000 text messages. The files appear to have been accessed through a backup of Andrea Manafort’s iPhone stored on a computer or iCloud account, through which hackers conceivably could have accessed all the contents of her phone.[/quote]

[Gbps]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52842998]Texts were confirmed real by Manafort himself.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/manaforts-ukrainian-blood-money-caused-qualms-hack-suggests-235473[/URL][/QUOTE]

Assuming they're 100% true, that's some really, really scary stuff. Like, fuck Halloween.

[Anderan]

At this time I think the most realistic thing to be optimistic about is the Republicans getting a royal ass fucking in the House race in 2018. But we'll see how this plays out.

[BuffaloHops]

[media]https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/925587644180033536[/media]

[Raidyr]

[video=youtube;jzOf9oh6IrM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzOf9oh6IrM[/video]

What did he mean by this :thinking:?

[Spleet]

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52843251][media]https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/925587644180033536[/media][/QUOTE]

You mean.. Y-you mean.. The piss tape? :q:

[Raidyr]

In light of some of the negativity expressed so far I'd like to lighten the mood with a couple of Fun Facts!

1) The rate of conviction by federal prosecutors is over 90%
2) Many of the lawyers on [URL="https://www.businessinsider.com/lawyers-robert-mueller-hired-for-the-trump-russia-investigation-2017-6"]Muellers team[/URL] left behind lucrative private practice to work this case.

[Conely]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52842951]Leaked text messages from Manafort's daughter paint a frightening picture of just how involved he truly was.

[url]https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59f748b6e4b03cd20b832fe0/amp[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]My dad loves challenges and this is like a chess game. He got a mistress because he was bored. Trump is his new mistress.[/QUOTE]

did not need this mental image

[Hardpoint Nomad]

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52843251][media]https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/925587644180033536[/media][/QUOTE]

I thought the piss tape story was faked by /pol/

[Bob The Knob]

[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;52843606]I thought the piss tape story was faked by /pol/[/QUOTE]

It remains unverified as far as we know but it was in the Steele dossier, of which other aspects [I]have[/I] been verified by the FBI and used in their investigation

[elix]

[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;52843606]I thought the piss tape story was faked by /pol/[/QUOTE]
The piss tape is mentioned in the Steele Dossier. The Steele Dossier becomes increasingly substantiated every week.

The beautiful irony is that the info contained in the Steele Dossier was originally tracked down for a [I]Republican[/I] as opposition research on behalf of one of Trump's opponents in the nomination. When Trump won the Republican candidacy, that oppo research obviously ended up not being of much value to the losing candidate, so it was shopped to the Democrats... [I]who did nothing with it[/I]. :why:

At this point, there is a credible chance that a) the peepee tape exists, and b) Mueller possesses a copy. This is pure speculation, but we have no idea how much the US intelligence community ACTUALLY knows and holds, and that's one of Mueller's greatest weapons: Uncertainty, unpredictability, and the fist of a federal grand jury indictment.

[Bob The Knob]

If the piss tape exists, the story is that it's a Russian intelligence asset, and it would presumably be pretty closely guarded by them, so I don't see how we ever get our hands on it unless Russia decides to release it

[elix]

Given that US intelligence has been picking up what turned out to be improper discussion (because it was in service of corrupting the election) of Trump and Trump associates by Russian intelligence and diplomats since 2015, we [I]really[/I] can't make definite statements like "we won't see it unless Russia releases it", but at the same time I can't state with conviction that Mueller definitely can prove it's real, either.

Everybody remember what you're doing this week, and smile for any cameras you see: this is what history being made looks like. You're living through something that will be written about in history books for decades, assuming organized education and books still exist decades from now.

[Cyan_Husky]

[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;52843606]I thought the piss tape story was faked by /pol/[/QUOTE]

The only thing that was faked by /pol/ was the story that the dossier was faked by /pol/.

[Hail Satan]

[QUOTE=Hardpoint Nomad;52843606]I thought the piss tape story was faked by /pol/[/QUOTE]

If you believe anything pol says I have a bridge to sell you

[chipsnapper]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52843647]Given that US intelligence has been picking up what turned out to be improper discussion (because it was in service of corrupting the election) of Trump and Trump associates by Russian intelligence and diplomats since 2015, we [I]really[/I] can't make definite statements like "we won't see it unless Russia releases it", but at the same time I can't state with conviction that Mueller definitely can prove it's real, either.

Everybody remember what you're doing this week, and smile for any cameras you see: this is what history being made looks like. You're living through something that will be written about in history books for decades, assuming organized education and books still exist decades from now.[/QUOTE]

As we get closer to what's coming, perhaps we will see/live a thread as memorable as the SA 9/11 thread. Not a great comparison, but that thread stands the test of time. I feel a live thread of our little fireworks show in court would be regarded similarly.

This IS history.

[MissingGlitch]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52843622] b) Mueller possesses a copy. .[/QUOTE]
It's funny to think he must have had several people watching that video for hours if not days to get as much info as they could out of it.

[Bob The Knob]

[media]https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/925711581882863618[/media]

I wonder how many links to big Don have been found that we don't know about

[Hail Satan]

[media]https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/925735133625421824[/media]

[Zenreon]

[QUOTE=Cone;52843568]did not need this mental image[/QUOTE]

Let's just hope it's a figure of speech.

[Sgman91]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52844483]
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Oh, so Abramson is where BDA got the idea of calling Papadopoulos a "Kremlin agent;" the poet/fiction writer who moonlights as a "journalist."

[Conely]

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;52844511]Let's just hope it's a figure of speech.[/QUOTE]

oh my god

[I][B]maybe that's the kompromat[/B][/I]

[Hail Satan]

[QUOTE=sgman91;52844534]Oh, so Abramson is where BDA got idea of calling Papadopoulos a "Kremlin agent;" the poet/fiction writer who moonlights as a "journalist."[/QUOTE]
He's also a professor of journalism and law. Why the character assassination?

[Fulcrum]

[QUOTE=sgman91;52844534]Oh, so Abramson is where BDA got idea of calling Papadopoulos a "Kremlin agent;" the poet/fiction writer who moonlights as a "journalist."[/QUOTE]

You have a big problem with this, don't worry we all saw you make your posts, you've made your position clear.

So he's charged with being "Unregistered Agent of a Foreign Principal" and by some (normal) definitions there are several things identifying him as an agent along with plenty of proof that he did collude with Russia

It's probably on you at this point, to deliver the burden of proof as to why he isn't an agent or to at least justify your stance by perhaps outlining what is not yet supplied but is necessary for him to be considered an agent.

How can your lust for information be satisfied?

[theIndiekid]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52844597]He's also a professor of journalism and law. Why the character assassination?[/QUOTE]

Because as sgman91's arguments get torn to shreds, he's gonna latch on to everything, no matter how flimsy it is, because it's all he has to keep his delusion going, to stop himself from suffering a BSOD. The same goes for most people on t_d/Fox at the moment.

And I will gleefully watch as reality comes knocking.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=sgman91;52844534]Oh, so Abramson is where BDA got idea of calling Papadopoulos a "Kremlin agent;" the poet/fiction writer who moonlights as a "journalist."[/QUOTE]

This is really the hill you're going to stake this on, eh?

You're smarter than this.

[Big Dumb Patriot]

[QUOTE=sgman91;52844534]Oh, so Abramson is where BDA got idea of calling Papadopoulos a "Kremlin agent;" the poet/fiction writer who moonlights as a "journalist."[/QUOTE]

If Papadopoulis was communicating missives between Russian officials and agents to the Trump campaign, which we know for a fact that he was, then Papadopoulis was acting as an agent of the Kremlin. He was advancing the interests of his Russian handlers by actively and aggressively pursuing lines of direct communication. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. You can continue to argue over semantics all you like, but the fact of the matter is that we caught Papadopoulis red-handed, and he pled guilty to the charges. You're wasting your time, and ours.

[DOG-GY]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52844643]You're smarter than this.[/QUOTE]
It's sgman.
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1556032&p=51939114&viewfull=1#post51939114[/url]
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1556032&p=51939446&viewfull=1#post51939446[/url]

[Firgof Umbra]

[QUOTE=sgman91;52844534]Oh, so Abramson is where BDA got the idea of calling Papadopoulos a "Kremlin agent;" the poet/fiction writer who moonlights as a "journalist."[/QUOTE]

No, he admitted to being one when he stated he was guilty. Also, his actions bear that out implicitly.

Additionally: I'm [I]still[/I] waiting for your explanation on why JR's e-mails add nothing to this discussion and don't provide any sort of contextual framework, given the new entry of Papadopolous into the timeline of events, to state that the campaign was guilty of colluding with Russia to interfere with our election.

And while I'm on that note, I still want you to prove me wrong that you'd judge the Becket murder case as 'coincidence' because Henry II didn't state, precisely, 'Kill this meddlesome priest'. Are you just going to drop and refuse to debate any point that you can't find a way to wiggle out of? Are you that dishonest in your debating that not only will you not find the courage to admit fault or flaw but state all throughout that you're 'nonetheless always right' and 'nothing you say has been disproven'?

[OvB]

If Papa is relaying info from Russia to the campaign. He's literally an agent. He's acting as an intermediary for a group. He's an agent for that group. That's the definition of Agent. It's not like he's some KGB special agent spy or something.