Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort Charged with "Conspiracy Against United States" - Polidicks

Rot in that cell of yours, scumbag, and take Dipshit Donny with you.

[quote]George Papadopolous[/quote] All right, whoever's writing the story of 2017 just gave up on writing realistic names.

[QUOTE=plunger435;52836826]Doesn't that first charge just mean he was defrauding the US government, paired with the other money related charges and especially paired with False FARA statements and failing to alert the IRS.[/QUOTE] "just defrauding the US Government" i mean that's "just" a very fucking huge thing to do

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[QUOTE=Instant Mix;52836832]"just defrauding the US Government" i mean that's "just" a very fucking huge thing to do[/QUOTE] There's a difference between defrauding the US out of taxable money, and conspiracy to rig an election. Point is to keep these charges in scope and not blow them up to give false hope on future indictments.

[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925005659569041409[/media] Sooo, throwing under the bus or not yet? [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925006418989715456[/media]

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52836822]Woah shit there's more [media]https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/925003276571037696[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/yashar/status/925003993952260097[/media] [url]https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4163402/Papadopoulos-Statement-Offense.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] This one [I]is[/I] directly linked to Russia, it's about him lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52836838]This one [I]is[/I] directly linked to Russia, it's about him lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials[/QUOTE] No, it's about him not disclosing Manafort's connections earlier.

[QUOTE=OvB;52836837][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925005659569041409[/media] Sooo, throwing under the bus or not yet? [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925006418989715456[/media][/QUOTE] The conspiracy against the US bit alleges the crimes took place from 2006 to 2017, but I doubt he can even read so.

[QUOTE=OvB;52836837][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925005659569041409[/media] Sooo, throwing under the bus or not yet? [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925006418989715456[/media][/QUOTE] I love how there's always been the joke of "yeah but what about hillary" but trump is using it as a legitimate counterpoint

Haha shit, what a headline to read. I never thought I'd be reading about a campaign manager involved in electing the current president being charged with [I]conspiracy against the fucking united states[/I]. What a time to be alive. I also want to comment on how silent Trump's twitter is - if there was one good thing you could say about Trump's unfiltered tweeting, it's that in times like these you'd gain insanely valuable insight on Trump's reactions or thoughts [I]in this current time.[/I] We're gonna wait a good long while for a response though. Fucks sake he's responded to celebrity's calling him out faster than this. [editline]30th October 2017[/editline] Holy shit those tweets popped up just as I posted. Of course Trump can't stay off Twitter for that long.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52836851]Haha shit, what a headline to read. I never thought I'd be reading about a campaign manager involved in electing the current president being charged with [I]conspiracy against the fucking united states[/I]. What a time to be alive. I also want to comment on how silent Trump's twitter is - if there was one good thing you could say about Trump's unfiltered tweeting, it's that in times like these you'd gain insanely valuable insight on Trump's reactions or thoughts [I]in this current time.[/I] We're gonna wait a good long while for a response though. Fucks sake he's responded to celebrity's calling him out faster than this. [editline]30th October 2017[/editline] Holy shit those tweets popped up just as I posted. Of course Trump can't stay off Twitter for that long.[/QUOTE] Bad timing on this post lol. Trump just responded with more [I]Whataboutist[/I] bullshit. His stance is to continue distracting from this bombshell by somehow trying to make it Clinton's fault.

[QUOTE=plunger435;52836845]No, it's about him not disclosing Manafort's connections earlier.[/QUOTE] The whole indictment describes Papadopoulos emailing a 'contact' at the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and trying to arrange a meeting between the Russian government and the Trump campaign. There is also an unnamed 'High Ranking Campaign Official' involved

[QUOTE=EcksDee;52836849]I love how there's always been the joke of "yeah but what about hillary" but trump is using it as a legitimate counterpoint[/QUOTE] I actually thought I was reading fake tweets at first. No fucking joke. The "...Also, there is NO COLLUSION" tweet after reading NO COLLUSION at the top of T_D was just too eerie. They're a bona-fide hivemind, limited to insisting obviously false pretenses and resorting to "but what about hillary?"

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52836690][B][U]Summary of Charges[/U][/B] Conspiracy Against the United States Conspiracy to Launder Money Failure to File Reports of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts Unregistered Agent of a Foreign Principal False and Misleading FARA Statements False Statements For a total of 11 felony charges, with the fucking [B]bombshell[/B] of "Conspiracy Against the United States" for acting as foreign agents of Pro-Russian and Russian-Linked political parties and agents in Ukraine. Holy shit. They're going away for life.[/QUOTE] Excuse me, BDA, but you should take a better look at the given criminal offence code given out for that first charge. 18 U.S. Code § 371, as sourced by [URL="https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/html/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap19-sec371.htm"]the US Government Publishing Office,[/URL] [URL="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371"]Cornell Law School,[/URL] and [URL="https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us"]the Department of Justice[/URL]. [QUOTE] 923. 18 U.S.C. § 371 —Conspiracy to Defraud the United States [EXCERPTS] The general conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371, creates an offense "[i]f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose. (emphasis added). See Project, Tenth Annual Survey of White Collar Crime, 32 Am. Crim. L. Rev. 137, 379-406 (1995)(generally discussing § 371). (...) The intent required for a conspiracy to defraud the government is that the defendant possessed the intent (a) to defraud, (b) to make false statements or representations to the government or its agencies in order to obtain property of the government, or that the defendant performed acts or made statements that he/she knew to be false, fraudulent or deceitful to a government agency, which disrupted the functions of the agency or of the government. It is sufficient for the government to prove that the defendant knew the statements were false or fraudulent when made. The government is not required to prove the statements ultimately resulted in any actual loss to the government of any property or funds, only that the defendant's activities impeded or interfered with legitimate governmental functions. See United States v. Puerto, 730 F.2d 627 (11th Cir.), cert. denied, 469 U.S. 847 (1984); United States v. Tuohey, 867 F.2d 534 (9th Cir. 1989); United States v. Sprecher, 783 F. Supp. 133, 156 (S.D.N.Y. 1992)(Ã¾it is sufficient that the defendant engaged in acts that interfered with or obstructed a lawful governmental function by deceit, craft, trickery or by means that were dishonest"), modified on other grounds, 988 F.2d 318 (2d Cir. 1993). In United States v. Madeoy, 912 F.2d 1486 (D.C. Cir. 1990), cert. denied, 498 U.S. 1105 (1991), the defendants were convicted of conspiracy to defraud the government and other offenses in connection with a scheme to fraudulently obtain loan commitments from the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) or Veterans Administration (VA). The court held that the district court had properly instructed the jury that: the Government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of a scheme or artifice to defraud, with the objective either of defrauding the FHA or the VA of their lawful right to conduct their business and affairs free from deceit, fraud or misrepresentation, or of obtaining money and property from the FHA by means of false and fraudulent representations and promises which the defendant knew to be false. (...) The punishment provision is completely rewritten to increase the penalty from 2 years to 5 years except where the object of the conspiracy is a misdemeanor. If the object is a misdemeanor, the maximum imprisonment for a conspiracy to commit that offense, under the revised section, cannot exceed 1 year. In summary, those activities which courts have held defraud the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371 affect the government in at least one of three ways: [cited in USAM 9-42.001] -They cheat the government out of money or property; -They interfere or obstruct legitimate Government activity; or -They make wrongful use of a governmental instrumentality. [/QUOTE] Basically, it seems to be the charge if more than two people commit international money laundering to dodge US taxes, which is named 'Conspiracy' in legalese, since more than two people are in on a plan to dodge US taxes. The title of the charge seems way heavier than it actually is, given how 18 U.S.C. § 371 was apparently filled under the section of White Collar Crimes. The charges filled under it in the [URL="https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download"]Indictment Note[/URL] itself, seems to go only over the fact that Manafort and Gates, along with the employees of two Washington DC based firms between February 2012 and August 2016, did impede an American government agency, and mainly with that, the Department of Treasury by dodging taxes and money laundering, and the Department of Justice by sending false letters to them. Speaking of which, the biggest new revelation is the involvement of two Washington DC based companies that helped Manafort and Gates with this all, which page 15 to 19, Points 18 to 26 goes further into. Who were those two companies, and why aren't they named yet? It's pretty much ruled out that it is a firm involved with Trump, seeing as he didn't have any business in Washington DC until June 2013, when he obtained the lease for the Old Post Office Pavilion there after a year-long negotiation. And given Mueller's scope of the investigation, it would have been noted somewhere in the indictment note if Trump was involved in it himself. There doesn't seem to be a way for Trump to have known that at the moment in the campaign that he hired Manafort. I think that there will be more investigation to whatever ties Washington DC based firms had to the European Centre for Modern Ukraine, mentioned in the indictment note, which was an economical font for Yanukovych. Lobbyists from both sides from the American political aisle seemed to be involved in it, and were paid by the font to do so. [URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-lobbying/with-cash-ukraines-political-foes-bring-fight-to-washington-idUSBRE9BJ1B220131220"]There have been numerous high-profile Washington DC lobbying firms involved with the European Centre for Modern Ukraine (SOURCE: REUTERS)[/URL], which might be the firms noted in the indictment note.

[QUOTE=OvB;52836837][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925005659569041409[/media] Sooo, throwing under the bus or not yet? [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925006418989715456[/media][/QUOTE] Can't even say I'm surprised but it's getting more indefensibly pathetic every time rofl

[QUOTE=Jordax;52836865]Excuse me, BDA, but you should take a better look at the given criminal offence code given out for that first charge. 18 U.S. Code § 371, as sourced by [URL="https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/html/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap19-sec371.htm"]the US Government Publishing Office,[/URL] [URL="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371"]Cornell Law School,[/URL] and [URL="https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us"]the Department of Justice[/URL]. Basically, it seems to be the charge if more than two people commit international money laundering to dodge US taxes, which is named 'Conspiracy' in legalese, since more than two people are in on a plan to dodge US taxes. The title of the charge seems way heavier than it actually is, given how 18 U.S.C. § 371 was apparently filled under the section of White Collar Crimes. The charges filled under it in the [URL="https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download"]Indictment Note[/URL] itself, seems to go only over the fact that Manafort and Gates, along with the employees of two Washington DC based company between February 2012 and August 2016, did impede an American goverment agency, and mainly with that, the Department of Treasury by dodging taxes and money laundering, and the Department of Justice by sending false letters to them. Speaking of which, the biggest new revelation is the involvement of two Washington DC based companies that helped Manafort and Gates with this all, which page 15 to 19, Points 18 to 26 goes further into. Who were those two companies, and why aren't they named yet? It's pretty much ruled out that it is a firm involved with Trump, seeing as he didn't have any business in Washington DC until June 2013, when he obtained the lease for the Old Post Office Pavilion there after a year-long negotiation. And given Mueller's scope of the investigation, it would have been noted somewhere in the indictment note if Trump was involved in it himself. There doesn't seem to be a way for Trump to have known that at the moment in the campaign that he hired Manafort. I think that there will be more investigation to whatever ties Washington DC based firms had to the European Centre for Modern Ukraine, mentioned in the indictment note, which was an economical font for Yanukovych. Lobbyists from both sides from the American political aisle seemed to be involved in it, and were paid by the font to do so. [URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-lobbying/with-cash-ukraines-political-foes-bring-fight-to-washington-idUSBRE9BJ1B220131220"]There have been numerous high-profile Washington DC lobbying firms involved with the European Centre for Modern Ukraine (SOURCE: REUTERS)[/URL], which might be the firms noted in the indictment note.[/QUOTE] Yes, no new revelations, no big deal. The president's close friend, neighbor, and campaign manager was just arrested and charged with funneling and laundering bribe money from Russian interest groups, and acting as an unlawful agent of a foreign principal, in an investigation to determine whether or not Trump's campaign was illegally colluding with the Russian government. Such a Nothing-Burger. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52836875]Yes, no new revelations, no big deal. The president's close friend, neighbor, and campaign manager was just arrested and charged with funneling and laundering bribe money from Russian interest groups, and acting as an unlawful agent of a foreign principal, in an investigation to determine whether or not Trump's campaign was illegally colluding with the Russian government. Such a Nothing-Burger. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] No need to be so passive aggressive, he's just explaining that the first charge you pointed out is mostly the same as the others listed, not the treason people were mistaking it for previously. He didn't say he's innocent or that the charges aren't serious, just that they're not what everyone seems to be thinking.

[QUOTE=plunger435;52836882]No need to be so passive aggressive, he's just explaining that the first charge you pointed out is mostly the same as the others listed, not the treason people were mistaking it for previously.[/QUOTE] No, he's trying to strip context away from the charges and downplay just how critical they really are to the accusations against Trump and his campaign. This is a massive bombshell. Jordax is saying, "this is just money laundering, not collusion," but this shit establishes hard financial links between the Trump campaign and Russian political branches, and establishes a secret Russian agent/lobbyist as the fuckin' [B]Manager[/B] of Trump's presidential bid. That's [I]huge[/I], man.

It's important to read the meat of the document and not just the charges and titles. Then you'll get a clearer picture.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52836885]No, he's trying to strip context away from the charges and downplay just how critical they really are to the accusations against Trump and his campaign.[/QUOTE] I don't know if that's true. I can see why you might interpret his post that way but we need to keep as level of a head as possible on our shoulders here and look at the charges for what they are, not what we'd like them to be. Otherwise we're stooping to t_d's level.

Those 5 question marks alone should be grounds for impeachment. Fucking pathetic.

This is the best news to wake up to and it's not even 10 am. I'm sure more will come throughout the day. Muller 's net bout to reel in hella traitors

[QUOTE=OvB;52836894]It's important to read the meat of the document and not just the charges and titles. Then you'll get a clearer picture.[/QUOTE] I read every word of the document, and the picture it paints is hard to mistake as anything else. Manafort was an unregistered agent of corrupt Russian political branches in Ukraine, who has been laundering money from those groups and lobbying for their interests for years. Look at that bombshell in context with his role in Trump's campaign, and the accusations levied against the campaign start carrying a [B]lot[/B] of weight.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52836909]I read every word of the document, and the picture it paints is hard to mistake as anything else. Manafort was an unregistered agent of corrupt Russian political branches in Ukraine, who has been laundering money from those groups and lobbying for their interests for years.[/QUOTE] But it doesn't say the word collusion >:(((( This is huge and there's no way to downplay it. More will surely follow

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52836875]Yes, no new revelations, no big deal. The president's close friend, neighbor, and campaign manager was just arrested and charged with funneling and laundering bribe money from Russian interest groups, and acting as an unlawful agent of a foreign principal, in an investigation to determine whether or not Trump's campaign was illegally colluding with the Russian government. Such a Nothing-Burger. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] The indictment note is saying that Manafort and Gates concealed their role in Ukranian lobbying for years beforehand towards everyone that wasn't involved in their scheme with those two Washington DC firms. Even the Department of Justice and the Department of Treasury, did not know about Manafort's scheme at the moment Manafort was hired to wrangle the delegates around the period of the 2016 RNC in July. Furthermore, looking into the indictment note itself, there isn't any proof that Trump would have known about this at the moment Manafort was hired, in March 2016. Trump wouldn't get any security briefings until August 2016. Unless you have proof that Trump knew of this vast scheme where not even the Department of Justice or the Department of Treasury knew of at the moment of Manafort's hiring, and that he got hired for connections to Yanukovych, instead of his reputation of having been crucial of getting delegates for the RNC in earlier American presidential campaigns.

75 million dollars through offshore accounts, with no taxes paid on it, is mind boggling. Most people don't even make six figures yearly.

Papadopoulos' indictment says he was arrested in July, flipped and has been giving the FBI information since then

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52836885]No, he's trying to strip context away from the charges and downplay just how critical they really are to the accusations against Trump and his campaign. This is a massive bombshell. Jordax is saying, "this is just money laundering, not collusion," but this shit establishes hard financial links between the Trump campaign and Russian political branches, and establishes a secret Russian agent/lobbyist as the fuckin' [B]Manager[/B] of Trump's presidential bid. That's [I]huge[/I], man.[/QUOTE] We've known about Manafort's involvement with pro-Russian factions in Ukraine for over a year now, this just probes deeper with a focus on his tax evasion and bribes.

[QUOTE=Jordax;52836916]The indictment note is saying that Manafort and Gates concealed their role in Ukranian lobbying for years beforehand towards everyone that wasn't involved in their scheme with those two Washington DC firms. Even the Department of Justice and the Department of Treasury, did not know about Manafort's scheme at the moment Manafort was hired to wrangle the delegates around the period of the 2016 RNC in July. Furthermore, looking into the indictment note itself, there isn't any proof that Trump would have known about this at the moment Manafort was hired, in March 2016. Trump wouldn't get any security briefings until August 2016. Unless you have proof that Trump knew of this vast scheme where not even the Department of Justice or the Department of Treasury knew of at the moment of Manafort's hiring, and that he got hired for connections to Yanukovych, instead of his reputation of having been crucial of getting delegates for the RNC in earlier American presidential campaigns.[/QUOTE] This distinction only matters if Trump's collusion with Russia began [I]before[/I] hiring Manafort. If Manafort was the establishing link with the Kremlin, Trump would not have to know about his allegiances before hiring for the accusations of collusion to be true. That discovery could have come as a result of Manafort enlisting Trump to Russia's interests after being hired, which might explain why [URL="http://www.latimes.com/world/la-na-pol-ukraine-gop-20160720-snap-story.html"]Trump demanded a sudden shift in Russian/Ukrainian[/URL] policy at the convention. Just the same, Manafort has been a trusted confidant for Trump for many years. They lived in the same building, and according to comments from his own family, Trump went to speak and "plot" with Manafort on an incredibly regular basis long before deciding to run. That Manafort and Trump could have been linked in this way long before the actual campaign officially launched would also provide a strong foundation for the accusations of collusion.