Officer Daren Wilson, cop who killed Mike Brown, seen in video violating a citizens first amendment - Polidicks

[QUOTE=cody8295;46499161][url]http://rt.com/usa/supreme-court-illinois-police-653/[/url] I believe there are more [/quote] From your own source: [quote]On Monday, the top[B] justices in the US said that they would not hear the case[/B] and will instead rely on last year’s ruling where a federal appeals court in Chicago agreed that the eavesdropping law, as written, “likely violates” the First Amendment.[/quote] No case, no ruling. [quote] That is information that was collected without consent anyways, no need for arrest imo[/QUOTE] No consent needed for a court order.

A 15 second video doesn't prove anything this is dumb. [QUOTE=cody8295;46498887] In this video Daren Wilson is seen arresting a man for videotaping Soure (& The police files can be found here ) [url]http://thefreethoughtproject.com/shock-video-darren-wilson-violates-1st-amendment-ill-lock-ass-up-arrests-man-filming/[/url][/QUOTE] He's atrested FOR VIDEO TAPING? Obvious it's not for video taping if he's on the mans property. He's there for a reason he probably got called to his house and was already about to be arrested for a different offense.

(which he was obstructing) my merge

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499150]Which case is this? [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] Yup. He was withholding information (vehicle ID) that the officer had just cause to know per the courts. Good arrest imo per FTP: [t]http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/police-report-11.jpg[/t] Thats a good report. Good arrest.[/QUOTE] bullshit reasons (the city ordinance) but he was doing his job there, i was in a situation last year where some guy came up to an officer and stuck a camera in his face asking rediculous questions (he thought the officers had beaten this guy up) its not really a good way to ask questions

So the dude tries to prevent the officer from doing his job, then gets pissy and tries to record his own arrest. This sure looks like a case of abuse of power to me guys...... /sarcasm

[QUOTE=cody8295;46499122]It doesn't matter what people like or what they don't like, it's legal in the USA to film in public, and nobody should be able to arrest another man for exercising this right alone.[/QUOTE] Again, you're not getting the point. You're hell bent on the fact that it is legal. I can take a shit on your doorstep and there isn't much in the laws (outside of vandalism) that could get me in trouble for it. But is that going to make your day a special one? Hell no! You're gonna be pissed I just dropped a steamer on that front porch of yours! You're going to want revenge! You're going to want Justice! You think the cops are any different? Yeah, they're upholders of the law, servants of the people. You're totally right there and they should be held accountable for it to the fullest extent possible. But with videos like this it is no wonder there is a HUGE division between the 'Common Man' and the 'Officer of the Law'. People unfairly paint the police as murderous pigs. Yes, there are always a few bad apples in the bunch. But the moment you start provoking the police, instigating stuff like this, and overtly painting them as an evil enemy is the same moment they begin to become just that. Of course cops get angry and do things that they necessarily shouldn't, they are HUMAN afterall. We're all Human. We're imperfect and make grave mistakes from time to time. But when you enter into a confrontation with another person, and you enter with the intent to provoke; you are just at fault for what has happened. People are very reactive creatures. They return much of what they receive. Its just human nature and sometimes i think we forget that they're flesh and blood just like every one else. Part of that is 'the systems' fault, part of it is the media, and the rest is on all of us as citizens. I've had many run ins with the police, be it for myself or in observance, and only once have I had a bad experience. If you're respectful, don't look like trouble, and treat them like humans then they'll usually return the favor. They don't want to be there confronting you any more than you do them- they don't know you or the trouble you bring and having to deal with that is a burden. [b]tl;dr[/b] Fight the system, not the individual. Police are people, too and i think sometimes we forget that.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499180]From your own source: No case, no ruling. No consent needed for a court order.[/QUOTE] Robinson v. Fetterman [url]http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/05D0847P.pdf[/url] District court rulings defends first amendment right to film police. You guys really think that taking photographs is a crime? I'm no longer defending the guy in this case since it's apparent he's done something wrong but I know for sure that it's legal to film police

[QUOTE=cody8295;46499209]Robinson v. Fetterman [url]http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/05D0847P.pdf[/url] District court rulings defends first amendment right to film police. You guys really think that taking photographs is a crime? I'm no longer defending the guy in this case since it's apparent he's done something wrong but I know for sure that it's legal to film police[/QUOTE] Thats a district court case, which only applies to the [URL="http://www.uscourts.gov/uscourts/images/CircuitMap.pdf"]3rd district court[/URL]. It has no power outside of that.

[QUOTE=cody8295;46499209]Robinson v. Fetterman [url]http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/05D0847P.pdf[/url] District court rulings defends first amendment right to film police. You guys really think that taking photographs is a crime? I'm no longer defending the guy in this case since it's apparent he's done something wrong but I know for sure that it's legal to film police[/QUOTE] So if you're filming the police, they can't arrest you for committing a crime because you're in the process of filming?

cubemanv2? we need your thoughts here right now!

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46499220]So if you're filming the police, they can't arrest you for committing a crime because you're in the process of filming?[/QUOTE] Obviously this is not what I mean. I mean that you cannot be arrested for simply performing the act of filming. And there's a federal case that upheld the first amendment right to photography but I cannot seem to find it

[QUOTE=cody8295;46499231]Obviously this is not what I mean. I mean that you cannot be arrested for simply performing the act of filming. And there's a federal case that upheld the first amendment right to photography but I cannot seem to find it[/QUOTE] And the man wasn't arrested for filming the police. He was arrested for non-compliance and being non-cooperative when the officer was investigating the derelict vehicles. If you get in the way of an investigation, you're most likely going to be arrested.....

The main reason why I think police should be recorded (through on-uniform cameras, not by random people) is that, unlike most professions, there are circumstances in which they are allowed to take human life. And in that kind of situation, it's vital that we know the [I]exact[/I] events which led to that outcome. [editline]15th November 2014[/editline] Think- if Darren Wilson had been wearing a camera, there would be no debate. We would know [I]precisely[/I] why he shot Mike Brown, and half of all the people talking about it would know they were wrong. [B]NB: This is neutral. I don't know enough about the circumstances to honestly say whether or not the shooting of Mike Brown was racially or abusively incited.[/B]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46499041]Holy shit this site is banana's, like 90% of the articles are "sovereign citizen bullshit" [url]http://thefreethoughtproject.com/[/url] This shit makes /pol/ look like a credible source[/QUOTE] Free Tought Project, RT, CopBlock, and DailyMail among others, should not be considered credible sources

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46498967]Or there's the fact people just don't like to be recorded randomly[/QUOTE] Cops are paid by the taxpayers. They have the power to end the life of US citizens in some situations. They can fucking get over it. We have every right to record the police.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46499337]Cops are paid by the taxpayers. They have the power to end the life of US citizens in some situations. They can fucking get over it. We have every right to record the police.[/QUOTE] So people are ok to record cops, but cops cant record those same people? Seems quite the double standard. Everyone wants body cams, but then when they get implemented everyone screams about their right to privacy.

Tinfoil website reports on an officer doing his job to discredit said officer regarding an entirely different scenario.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499385]So people are ok to record cops, but cops cant record those same people? Seems quite the double standard. Everyone wants body cams, but then when they get implemented everyone screams about their right to privacy.[/QUOTE] Huh? Officers wear body cams for everybody's protection. I've seen more push coming from the people telling cops to wear the cams, we already understand there's no privacy in public.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499385]So people are ok to record cops, but cops cant record those same people? Seems quite the double standard. Everyone wants body cams, but then when they get implemented everyone screams about their right to privacy.[/QUOTE] I've literally never seen anyone whine about cops using bodycams. Hell, pretty much all I've heard on the issue is questionable cops turning off/obstructing body/dash cams.

Finding it a bit gnawing that two common viewpoints on these kind of FP threads are "You can't blame all cops for the bad apples" and "It's something that happens with great frequency so we can't blame the individual". Maybe you guys should argue about that.