GOP College Voter Suppression (And a bit of Michele Bachmann's IQ) - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=smurfy;28498128]The US fascinates me. In Britain we have three major parties, and in my opinion they're all a bit so-so, at least at the moment. I have my allegiances, but I can't really go "those guys suck dick, those guys rock". But in the States, there's just the Good Party and the Bad Party. [/QUOTE] well just because you never hear about the democrats doing bad stuff doesn't really mean that they're completely the good party. They've got (mostly) the right ideas but they're really bad about implementing their ideas because they're always arguing between themselves about the minutia (which would be fine in any reasonable government) while the republicans vote pretty much in total unison. It's like the democrats are trying to govern the way the rest of the civilized world does through slow, reasoned debate, but the republicans cheat and skip all the debate by doing crazy shit like bringing in a dog that writes legislation and the democrats are like "you can't do that" and the republicans are all "yeah we can, it doesn't say anywhere in the constitution that a dog can't write legislation"

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28487389]This seems so utterly, blatantly unconstitutional that I can't fathom anyone actually putting this bill forward.[/QUOTE] Unconstitutional and stupid i agree, however: [QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28487385]College voters, in other words, [b]educated[/b] people tend to become more liberal while they go through the school system. The Democratic party taps into this enthusiasm of youth and apparently are trying to take that out.[/QUOTE] Did you seriously just equate being educated with being liberal? Pretty sick and stupid. There are differing opinions on the world, unfortunately, I believe not everyone gets all viewpoints in college. [quote]No one disputes that American academia is decidedly more liberal than the rest of the population, or that there is a detectable shift to the left among students during their college years. Still, both studies in the peer-reviewed PS, for example, found that changes in political ideology could not be attributed to proselytizing professors but rather to general trends among that age group. As Mack D. Mariani at Xavier University and Gordon J. Hewitt at Hamilton College write in the current issue, “Student political orientation does not change for a majority of students while in college, and for those that do change there is evidence that other factors have an effect on that change, such as gender and socioeconomic status.” That may be, said Daniel Klein, an economist at George Mason, but those results don’t necessarily mean there isn’t a problem. Mr. Klein, whose research has shown that registered Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans among faculty in the humanities and social sciences at American colleges and universities, maintains that the focus on the liberal-conservative split is misdirected. Such terms are vague and can be used to describe everything from attitudes about religion and family to the arts and lifestyles, he said.[/quote] It should be considered a problem that colleges are dominated by people with one orientation, that hand out leftist summer reading material and offering assignments with goals such as refuting conservative authors. If conservatives were doing the same you would say it's a problem, i think college should be a place where you learn to think critically. Where you are given access to all views that you agree with and are opposed to, to broaden your horizons. Such is not the case, unfortunately. The quote above is from a [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/03/books/03infl.html][u]NYTimes article[/u][/url] which examined the situation based off of studies, their argument is not that Liberal minded people don't run college instutions, it isn't that they don't bombard students with leftist material (they do) but rather that is has absolutely no impact on the student's prior views. They say it's hard to indoctrinate people beyond the age of 15, seriously. You have every right to your opinion on college educated people, what political orientation is "smarter" or which authors are "right" but you have absolutely no right to portray that as fact. That is what is happening in colleges today. For the record i don't want colleges to be overrun by conservatives or liberals and i don't want either of them issuing biased material, i don't want spin on education period. Denying the spin exists is stupid because you can find them anywhere and anyone on here who has gone to college probably has seen or had professors which issue such "lessons". I want an unbiased teaching institution where no questions are wrong and where no opinions are wrong, that isn't what we have today.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28503128] Did you seriously just equate being educated with being liberal? Pretty sick and stupid. [/QUOTE] I never said that, I just said a bunch of people in college tend to be more liberal because they're exposed to more liberal stuff through both highschool and in universities. Not to mention that a lot of professors are nutty liberals. I mean, people go to parochial schools and private institutions, but that's a minority.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28503128] It should be considered a problem that colleges are dominated by people with one orientation, that hand out leftist summer reading material and offering assignments with goals such as refuting conservative authors.[/QUOTE] yo maybe colleges are dominated by progressivisim not because of some unified attempt to oppress conservatives but simply because, pretty much constantly throughout the entire history of the recorded world, institutions of higher education has been relatively liberal compared to it's society.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28503205]yo maybe colleges are dominated by progressivisim not because of some unified attempt to oppress conservatives but simply because, pretty much constantly throughout the entire history of the recorded world, institutions of higher education has been relatively liberal compared to it's society.[/QUOTE] nah that doesn't sound like history i've heard of [/sarcasm

[QUOTE=s0beit;28503128] Did you seriously just equate being educated with being liberal? Pretty sick and stupid.[/QUOTE] Well there are IQ differences but nothing to make you think liberalism is the best thing ever.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28503205]yo maybe colleges are dominated by progressivisim not because of some unified attempt to oppress conservatives but simply because, pretty much constantly throughout the entire history of the recorded world, institutions of higher education has been relatively liberal compared to it's society.[/QUOTE] Don't be ridiculous Galileo was a staunch social conservative

they are more liberal because their fucking parents aren't there

no offense but i don't trust msnbc as a source

[QUOTE=Archy;28503821]no offense but i don't trust msnbc as a source[/QUOTE] I trust em more than I do Fox, but this really isn't quote mining as much as it is just the republicans saying stupid shit.

are you trying to make a connection between education and progressivism through completely legitimate data you horrible person you

[QUOTE=Archy;28503821]no offense but i don't trust msnbc as a source[/QUOTE] the young turks operates independently

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28503866]the young turks operates independently[/QUOTE] theyoungturks has a bit of a liberal bias i'd go them looking less for news and more for an opinion piece

[QUOTE=Archy;28503884]theyoungturks has a bit of a liberal bias i'd go them looking less for news and more for an opinion piece[/QUOTE] opinion does not mean bias a person can have an expressed political opinion and still report fairly

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28503954]opinion does not mean bias a person can have an expressed political opinion and still report fairly[/QUOTE] ideally in news you would have as little opinion as possible and as much information as possible. even stating an opinion can spin the story one way or another. thats why its so tricky trying to find a completely unbiased source

[QUOTE=Archy;28504038]ideally in news you would have as little opinion as possible and as much information as possible. even stating an opinion can spin the story one way or another. thats why its so tricky trying to find a completely unbiased source[/QUOTE] Pft, news is about giving what people want.

[QUOTE=Archy;28504038]ideally in news you would have as little opinion as possible and as much information as possible. even stating an opinion can spin the story one way or another. thats why its so tricky trying to find a completely unbiased source[/QUOTE] It's hard for anyone to be completely unbiased. The best you can do is be fair and use multiple sources.

[QUOTE=Archy;28504038]ideally in news you would have as little opinion as possible and as much information as possible. even stating an opinion can spin the story one way or another. thats why its so tricky trying to find a completely unbiased source[/QUOTE] Opinion is fine in news, lies (including lies of omission) aren't Fox does both

[QUOTE=Archy;28504038]ideally in news you would have as little opinion as possible and as much information as possible. even stating an opinion can spin the story one way or another. thats why its so tricky trying to find a completely unbiased source[/QUOTE] You're not really going to find an opinion free news source. It's not illegal to misreport news or to make up news, so there's no real guarantee you're even reading something real. Fox being a case in point.

[QUOTE=thisispain;28503641]they are more liberal because their fucking parents aren't there[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28503834]are you trying to make a connection between education and progressivism through completely legitimate data you horrible person you[/QUOTE] The "connection" isn't really the problem though, teaching people a certain way based on your opinions and biases are legitimate problems. "Education" is about seeing things from all perspectives and breaking things down in a critical fashion. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D58dmKvxUYI[/media] I hate Sarah Palin too but damn.

[QUOTE=Archy;28504038]ideally in news you would have as little opinion as possible and as much information as possible. even stating an opinion can spin the story one way or another. thats why its so tricky trying to find a completely unbiased source[/QUOTE] Have fun finding someone who has no opinion on anything. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;28506007] "Education" is about seeing things from all perspectives and breaking things down in a critical fashion.[/QUOTE] I thought it was more of teaching facts. If you teach something from every perspective then we would spend to much time teaching bad ones. I don't want to know all the thousands of ways the people thought how the earth was created when we have good scientific hypothesis or theories.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28509849]I thought it was more of teaching facts. If you teach something from every perspective then we would spend to much time teaching bad ones. I don't want to know all the thousands of ways the people thought how the earth was created when we have good scientific hypothesis or theories.[/QUOTE] So the liberal perspective is now the factual argument? Anything else is wrong? You need pills.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28510051]So the liberal perspective is now the factual argument? Anything else is wrong? You need pills.[/QUOTE] He was talking about evolution and the big bang, specifically. Neither of those are the "liberal perspective", they are the factual perspective.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28510071]He was talking about evolution and the big bang, specifically. Neither of those are the "liberal perspective", they are the factual perspective.[/QUOTE] Well I'm sorry, you can see how i was mistaken when those things were never mentioned in the topic or my post that he quoted and responded to.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28510084]Well I'm sorry, you can see how i was mistaken when those things were never mentioned in the topic or my post that he quoted and responded to.[/QUOTE] Uhh [quote]I don't want to know all the thousands of ways the people thought how the earth was created when we have good scientific hypothesis or theories.[/quote] They were quite clearly mentioned.

college students are grown-ups and they can make decisions for themselves. the occasional bowtie-wearing marxist professor isn't going to turn them into drooling zombies. your characterization of professors teaching liberalism is blown out of proportion, yes most teachers have their own political opinion that they aren't closeted about, but they're not teaching "how to be a good liberal" classes like you're characterizing. even if that were the case you can't force professors to give equal time to all different political beliefs because politics are much more than just liberal and conservative. Do professors also have to give the monarchist perspective on issues? and what about the white nationalist perspective and the Juche perspective?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28510105]They were quite clearly mentioned.[/QUOTE] Yes because [i]he brought them up[/i] in his nonsensical post which was in contrast to my post about philosophies and political affiliation and how they should be taught in a college institution. It has nothing at all to do with anything he mentioned and trying to compare educational standards for the creation of the universe and politics/philosophy is incredibly stupid. [editline]e[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28510170]college students are grown-ups and they can make decisions for themselves. the occasional bowtie-wearing marxist professor isn't going to turn them into drooling zombies and besides, the "DOMINATED BY LIBERALS" picture isn't really realistic, pretty much all but the most die-hard left colleges have pretty prominent Young Republicans organizations who do some pretty serious trolling of their own[/QUOTE] First of all, yes they can make decisions for themselves [i]with all the information made available to them[/i] which in a college environment isn't a lot and when they're offered biased summer reading material by a biased professor and never offered alternative arguments or viewpoints, its a fucking problem. [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html][u]Second of all you're wrong, it's an amazing shift in contrast to the general populace.[/u][/url]

[QUOTE=s0beit;28510176]Yes because [i]he brought them up[/i] in his nonsensical post which was in contrast to my post about philosophies and political affiliation and how they should be taught in a college institution. It has nothing at all to do with anything he mentioned and trying to compare educational standards for the creation of the universe and politics/philosophy is incredibly stupid.[/QUOTE] You never specifically mentioned politics/philosophy either. Post 53, you just mention education.