GOP College Voter Suppression (And a bit of Michele Bachmann's IQ) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28512587]How is it governmental? It encompasses many topics. Social AND Economic. Don't bother responding, that's cool. And the sad truth is, it's not really a generalisation when Conservatives haven't really proven otherwise. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] Lets see, the entirety of the representation of the Republican Party is batshit. I find it hard to find any Republican representative with any form of integrity. The Tea party movement is batshit. The Conservative mouth pieces are batshit. Ahuge influx of conservatives who type feverishly on the internet are batshit. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] when presented with this massive amount of nutcases, it sends up red flags.[/QUOTE] To add to your argument, there are people like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly who call educated people "pinheads". Obviously, they don't want to be considered educated. They're just one of the "working men" I guess. :raise:

[QUOTE=s0beit;28512741]Alright? Libertarians support societal freedom too, big whoop. The real issue is the role of government in the lives of citizens, there's a fork in the road at economic and government policy when it comes between the two. That's about it. I did respond, you made a generalization and portrayed it as fact, want me to give you a cookie? You made the claim, Mister "educated", you have to present the evidence. Tons of offensive generalizations about people you've likely never met, you win. It's cute how you're so wrong[/QUOTE] Don't bother making an argument at all lol That's fucking cool, broseph [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28512857]To add to your argument, there are people like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly who call educated people "pinheads". Obviously, they don't want to be considered educated. They're just one of the "working men" I guess. :raise:[/QUOTE] Indeed. As well as the usage of the word elite the right wing used a lot. And I noticed there's a lot of disdain for university grade students, a good example is the OP of this very thread. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] And S0beit, is it really a generalisation to note a general opinion among conservatives? Like is saying a majority of conservatives are homophobic a generalisation?

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513075]And S0beit, is it really a generalisation to note a general opinion among conservatives? Like is saying a majority of conservatives are homophobic a generalisation?[/QUOTE] Yes, and it's wrong.

[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;28513215]Yes, and it's wrong.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. If you're for gay rights, then you aren't really conservative on that particular issue. If you're against gay rights you're homophobic.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513075]Don't bother making an argument at all lol That's fucking cool, broseph[/quote] I made several arguments, keep embarrassing yourself broseph, you're really fucking up everyone's argument that liberal people are educated when you act like that. [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513075] Indeed. As well as the usage of the word elite the right wing used a lot. And I noticed there's a lot of disdain for university grade students, a good example is the OP of this very thread.[/quote] Well elitists are no fun but i have no problem with educated people. There's elitists in every walk of life really, no point on only picking on the liberal ones. [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513075] And S0beit, is it really a generalisation to note a general opinion among conservatives? Like is saying a majority of conservatives are homophobic a generalisation?[/QUOTE] I don't think you know what a conservative is, neo-conservatism plagues the republican party. I don't like the republican party. You aren't trolling me or angering me by attacking them. I don't mind homosexual people and i support their right to marry (although i support the government getting out of the institution of marriage entirely so anyone can get married as they please, instead of pleading with the government to allow it). Is it a generalization "to note a general opinion among conservatives?", well no, but if you portray it as solid fact that all conservatives think the same way, then yes it is. Not all conservatives like republicans, not all conservatives are into ass-backward shit evangelical Christians or your standard republican is involved with. This is what i mean when i say people should learn to think critically, you really don't even know who you're attacking.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28512412]I will agree universities should be unbias, this goes without saying. But when you really look at the reality of things, the more higher educated you become and the more you learn about other societies and learn to accept them, the more left wing people become. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone.[/QUOTE] this is such a dumb idea. Both sides are fine. There was a time and place for Republicans in American history too that even democrats would agree that the country needed a republican. Neither side is perfect. Thats the whole fucking point of our political system. Not to totally have faith in only one side because believe it or not, there are educated Republicans who WANT to make rash decisions and sometimes Democrats get it wrong! (OOh thats a hard concept for you I bet). Its just somehow the idiots make these crazy statements or the media blows it out of proportion. rant over. On Topic I think this is dumb. So what if they vote. Its not like having a democratic or republican president for 2 years will destroy the world as we know it. If you take ANY Us History its obvious that the US tends to change from Republican to Democrat to Republican regularly. Its all based on what the people think needs to be done no matter if you are a Republican one day, you could be Democrat the next and vice versa.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28513280](although i support the government getting out of the institution of marriage entirely so anyone can get married as they please, instead of pleading with the government to allow it)[/QUOTE] That sort of defeats the purpose. Government-recognized marriage grants certain privileges that are expensive to acquire otherwise, or sometimes impossible. Having the government ignore marriage would do nothing positive for anyone, and make life harder for most people. Besides, you can already get married without a government certificate; it just isn't recognized by the government.

All of your posts have this much amount of evidence, The LocalFlavor... [img]http://i.imgur.com/BH73E.png[/img]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28513248]No it isn't. If you're for gay rights, then you aren't really conservative on that particular issue. If you're against gay rights you're homophobic.[/QUOTE] Not quite. The term used was "conservatives." This is anyone who identifies themselves as conservative, even if they're just fiscal conservatives.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28513397]That sort of defeats the purpose. Government-recognized marriage grants certain privileges that are expensive to acquire otherwise, or sometimes impossible. Having the government ignore marriage would do nothing positive for anyone, and make life harder for most people. Besides, you can already get married without a government certificate; it just isn't recognized by the government.[/QUOTE] Yes, the perks. I'm well aware. Why not extend them to everyone? Why should married people be treated differently in the eyes of the government? What if somebody is disabled or ass-ugly or socially inept, they should be punished right? (Not saying those people don't get married, but I think it's safe to say it decreases their chances at least)

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28513397]That sort of defeats the purpose. Government-recognized marriage grants certain privileges that are expensive to acquire otherwise, or sometimes impossible. Having the government ignore marriage would do nothing positive for anyone, and make life harder for most people. Besides, you can already get married without a government certificate; it just isn't recognized by the government.[/QUOTE] every time someone posts that silly "the government should stay out of marriage" argument someone posts a clear, well-reasoned response like this but it never takes and people just keep posting the argument in new threads. I don't know why it doesn't stick [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;28513459]Yes, the perks. I'm well aware. Why not extend them to everyone? Why should married people be treated differently in the eyes of the government?[/QUOTE] uh because i don't want a random person I've never met to be able to make decisions on my behalf if I am unconscious in a hospital, I'd only want family/the person I'm married to to be able to do that. I don't understand how you can extend benefits designed specifically for two people that are living together and sharing an income to "everyone"

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;28511873] Sounds about right. In fact, we Canadians do this as well, except in a slightly different way: we have this incessant need to be so different from Americans that we completely ignore what's going on in the rest of the world and drop the ball on all kinds of social, medical, and technical advancements. Everything from government funded dental care to garbage incineration to electric cars to effective treatments for Multiple Sclerosis to upgrades to the internet and wireless networks have all been held back by our government or various lobby groups... who then go on about how stupid the Americans are for not catching up to the rest of the world. Tasty tasty irony.[/QUOTE] Actually, it seems Canada (or at least our government) is exactly the opposite. The government in power now desperately wants to make us more Americanized.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28513459]Yes, the perks. I'm well aware. Why not extend them to everyone? Why should married people be treated differently in the eyes of the government?[/QUOTE] I agree. But abolishing government-sanctioned marriage doesn't fix that, and simply won't happen any time soon.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28513280]I made several arguments, keep embarrassing yourself broseph, you're really fucking up everyone's argument that liberal people are educated when you act like that.[/quote] Saying 'nice generalisation' without actually elaborating and lol you're sooooo wrong, again, without any substance. Is not an argument. [quote]Well elitists are no fun but i have no problem with educated people. There's elitists in every walk of life really, no point on only picking on the liberal ones.[/quote] The usage of 'liberal elitist' has been so overused by the right wing, it's hard to ignore their purpose of it. They use it like an insult to the left wing. [quote]I don't think you know what a conservative is, neo-conservatism plagues the republican party. I don't like the republican party. You aren't trolling me or angering me by attacking them.[/quote] The Republican party supports and upholds conservative values. Both Economically and Socially. [quote]I don't mind homosexual people and i support their right to marry (although i support the government getting out of the institution of marriage entirely so anyone can get married as they please, instead of pleading with the government to allow it).[/quote] Here's a problem, that's not a conservative value. [quote]Is it a generalization "to note a general opinion among conservatives?", well no, but if you portray it as solid fact that all conservatives think the same way, then yes it is.[/quote] You ignore the fact I refer to them as the majority and not all conservatives. [quote]Not all conservatives like republicans, not all conservatives are into ass-backward shit evangelical Christians or your standard republican is involved with.[/quote] The Republican party supports conservatism and pushes for legislation that is, well, conservative. [quote]This is what i mean when i say people should learn to think critically, you really don't even know who you're attacking.[/QUOTE] Oh sure, people like Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck are the Minority, right? And the millions of people who watch and regurgitate their shit are also a minority?

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513558] The Republican party supports and upholds conservative values. Both Economically and Socially. [/quote] "Socially" i guess you could say but really not even a real political view. There's really no such thing as a social conservative, people have coined the term to describe people who have an old outdated value system when it comes to social morality. Economically, not by a long shot. [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513558] Here's a problem, that's not a conservative value. [/quote] Once again you're coupling your ideas of what a "social" conservative and "economic" conservative is when really that's only true of some people. Second, that is an extremely conservative value. [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513558] You ignore the fact I refer to them as the majority and not all conservatives. [/quote] [quote]Well, ignoring the fact conservatives tend to view with disdain on education, you really want to tell me conservatives are more educated then the Left wing in America?[/quote] No? You never mentioned the majority/minority before and though you used the word "tend", you're still basically saying 2 + 1 = 5 when you compare me to them. [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513558] The Republican party supports conservatism and pushes for legislation that is, well, conservative. [/quote] I feel like you need a lesson on what conservatism really even is before you attack it blindly, it speaks mostly to minimal government and less spending in government. You're using a very broad term to attack a specific group of people. That'd be like me calling all liberals radical communists. [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28513558] Oh sure, people like Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck are the Minority, right? And the millions of people who watch and regurgitate their shit are also a minority?[/QUOTE] I never said they were the minority even one time, i don't like any of those people and again you're only trying to perpetuate your generalization about all "conservatives". Michael Moore spouts a fair amount of bullshit maybe i should be of the opinion all liberals are Michael Moore :downs: [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28513481] uh because i don't want a random person I've never met to be able to make decisions on my behalf if I am unconscious in a hospital, I'd only want family/the person I'm married to to be able to do that. I don't understand how you can extend benefits designed specifically for two people that are living together and sharing an income to "everyone"[/QUOTE] Family? Either way I never said they couldn't keep records on marriages or setup a family structure around it in law, just that people shouldn't have perks because of it and the government shouldn't be a part of the process that allows or disallows a specific group of people from getting married. Especially not at the federal level.

Defend THIS glaber.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28504586]Opinion is fine in news, lies (including lies of omission) aren't Fox does both[/QUOTE] i'm not sure what fox has to do with anything but okay

[QUOTE=Archy;28517481]i'm not sure what fox has to do with anything but okay[/QUOTE] idk I saw Fox written somewhere, probably not by you

The two bills in New Hampshire introduced by republicans to curb collage voters simply say they have to be registered in the town they live as a resident and that people can't register to vote on the same day as the election, disregarding how retarded the house speaker is, this seems somewhat common sense

[QUOTE=Broseph_;28518539]The two bills in New Hampshire introduced by republicans to curb collage voters simply say they have to be registered in the town they live as a resident and that people can't register to vote on the same day as the election, disregarding how retarded the house speaker is, this seems somewhat common sense[/QUOTE] "I'm an american citizen! But... just not in this town..."

[QUOTE=s0beit;28513459]Yes, the perks. I'm well aware. Why not extend them to everyone? Why should married people be treated differently in the eyes of the government? What if somebody is disabled or ass-ugly or socially inept, they should be punished right? (Not saying those people don't get married, but I think it's safe to say it decreases their chances at least)[/QUOTE] Being legally married is really just a formality that allows the government to dole out its incentives (tax-based or otherwise) to a family. The idea is to encourage people to stay together and raise children. I do see your point though, I just got the impression from your post that you may not have thought of that. [QUOTE=Zeke129;28513529]Actually, it seems Canada (or at least our government) is exactly the opposite. The government in power now desperately wants to make us more Americanized.[/QUOTE] I hear a lot of people call Harper "the next Bush" but I mean really... the Progressive Conservatives have shown significant strides in their social and economic policies, like shutting down the abortion and gay marriage debates for good (both are legal in Canada), telling the CRTC to suck it when they try to allow anti-competitive business practices, and lowering personal taxes. Hell, thanks to the Conservatives, I now fall under the lowest tax bracket whereas if the Liberals were still in power, I would be over it (despite being a full-time student). They have done a lot of good for our country and I think they deserve far more credit than people give them. Granted, I wish they would have told the other parties to fuck off when they cried for stimulus money, as that has put us in a deficit AGAIN, but c'est la vie.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28518750]"I'm an american citizen! But... just not in this town..."[/QUOTE] Or Arizona :v: [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=FlakAttack;28519252]Being legally married is really just a formality that allows the government to dole out its incentives (tax-based or otherwise) to a family. The idea is to encourage people to stay together and raise children. I do see your point though, I just got the impression from your post that you may not have thought of that. I hear a lot of people call Harper "the next Bush" but I mean really... the Progressive Conservatives have shown significant strides in their social and economic policies, like shutting down the abortion and gay marriage debates for good (both are legal in Canada), telling the CRTC to suck it when they try to allow anti-competitive business practices, and lowering personal taxes. Hell, thanks to the Conservatives, I now fall under the lowest tax bracket whereas if the Liberals were still in power, I would be over it (despite being a full-time student). They have done a lot of good for our country and I think they deserve far more credit than people give them. Granted, I wish they would have told the other parties to fuck off when they cried for stimulus money, as that has put us in a deficit AGAIN, but c'est la vie.[/QUOTE] I would totally move to Canada if it wasn't for the gun laws

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;28519252] They have done a lot of good for our country and I think they deserve far more credit than people give them. Granted, I wish they would have told the other parties to fuck off when they cried for stimulus money, as that has put us in a deficit AGAIN, but c'est la vie.[/QUOTE] Their "tough on crime lol" stance is going to destroy criminal justice in our country. Our prison population is going to balloon if the conservatives keep getting their way. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Broseph_;28519833]I would totally move to Canada if it wasn't for the gun laws[/QUOTE] What kind of guns do you own or plan to buy? I bet you can still legally have them here.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28520791]Their "tough on crime lol" stance is going to destroy criminal justice in our country. Our prison population is going to balloon if the conservatives keep getting their way. [editline]9th March 2011[/editline] What kind of guns do you own or plan to buy? I bet you can still legally have them here.[/QUOTE] [img]http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/2/29/ZastavaM70.jpg[/img] I hear everything related to the AK-47 is verboten

This is like watching democracy in reverse. Next they'll take away the vote from women because they get too emotional, then anyone who isn't white because they don't truly represent how the country should be and then only people with property can vote because otherwise you'll have people skewing the polls just because they want government support that they don't deserve because they weren't born lucky. :)

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28520791]Their "tough on crime lol" stance is going to destroy criminal justice in our country. Our prison population is going to balloon if the conservatives keep getting their way.[/QUOTE] This, [B]exactly![/B] Zero-tolerance policing doesn't work, and the last few [B]decades[/B] of academic research show this. [quote]I feel like you need a lesson on what conservatism really even is before you attack it blindly, it speaks mostly to [B]minimal government and less spending in government.[/B] [/quote] Quick, someone inform the post-Clinton Republican party! They've got it all wrong! Honestly, any professor worth their salt should hold disdain for both political parties, and at least accept the benefits of classical liberalism.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28520791]Their "tough on crime lol" stance is going to destroy criminal justice in our country. Our prison population is going to balloon if the conservatives keep getting their way.[/QUOTE] I honestly forgot about that actually. Yeah... 2 points in that argument I want to address: 1. Canada's justice system is literally notorious among criminals for how lax it is. Trust me, my extended family is full of everyone from dealers to drug runners to murderers. I've heard it all. 2. This is the part we'll both likely agree on: They need to do more to get prisoners into honest work. Educate them or get them into trades or something, but don't let the fuckers leave prison without knowing how to earn an honest wage. Letting them rot in a cell for 10 years doesn't teach them anything. That and the current issue where the PCs don't want to release how much their Tough on Crime bills are costing, and then they say it's because of cabinet secrecy? Really? That's the kind of shit the Liberals were pulling 10 years ago, and after the PCs spent the last 7 years talking about accountability they pull this? Not impressed. I'm still not going to vote Lib or NDP though: the Liberals are still too scumbag for me (especially with Ontario being run the way it is) and the NDP is famous for its ability to bankrupt entire provinces, so I'll take a pass. The PCs, in comparison, are the lesser of 3 evils.

It's funny, they wouldn't mind 18 year olds voting if they all voted Republican. EDIT: Ann Coulter is a pretty good troll.