• Even Al-Qaeda thinks the ISIS is fucking insane [NSFW in source]
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[QUOTE=Roll_Program;45101868]If they did start using them, the US would know exactly how to counter their own tanks effectively and just launch a missile with the right kind of warhead from a drone or ship or something. If anyone knows the weaknesses of their vehicles it'll be the country who made them.[/QUOTE] yeah man you just fire a torpedo down the exhaust vent
[QUOTE=Matrix374;45101236]Since when did La ilaha illallah(rough romanization) translate to Islamic state? :v:[/QUOTE] I derped a bit. It is early in the morning. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=theobod;45101479]Source on that? Not the video, but if you have any article on that. And this is so freaking fucked, hope we can find any sort of solution to this.[/QUOTE] Beginning bit is them being surrounded and captured. Can just close out before it gets to the bloody bit. [URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d5d_1390322550[/URL] [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Fayez;45101867]Implying every Middle Eastern country is a shit hole.[/QUOTE] That wasn't implied and please name one that has a high rule of law, abidance by it, and respects human rights. Israel maybe, but not if you're an angry Palestinian.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45101874]yeah man you just fire a torpedo down the exhaust vent[/QUOTE] Guided by the force too. I don't mean it like that, just that they'll be better at countering the tanks than the Iraqi army.
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;45101926]Guided by the force too. I don't mean it like that, just that they'll be better at countering the tanks than the Iraqi army.[/QUOTE] Yes by simply having better weapons and more of them. Not that they know all the already obvious weak spots. An Abrams cannot defeat another Abrams frontally at a realistic engagement range easily regardless. The frontal arc can survive a direct hit from even the most modern anti-armour shells.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45101958]Yes by simply having better weapons and more of them. Not that they know all the already obvious weak spots. An Abrams cannot defeat another Abrams frontally at a realistic engagement range easily regardless. The frontal arc can survive a direct hit from even the most modern anti-armour shells.[/QUOTE] I know, what I'm saying is the US has higher tech missiles and such, with the range necessary to not get close enough to the tank to be in danger. The US/UK has the ability to send in a couple of drones to have a decent shot and not put any lives at risk. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] Modern tanks are hard as nails, copy paste from Wikipedia's Challenger 2 page: [QUOTE]It was hit directly by fourteen rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived remaining safe within the tank until the tank was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later after repairs. One Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45101837]you can't use 'objectively' to describe morals. Since morals don't even exist on the same plane. That is the crucial part you keep missing. [I]You can say what ISIS is doing is objectively bad because they will never really achieve their goals yet they're going to shit over an entire region causing untold suffering because of a misplaced ideology. And even if they did achieve their goals it still would be objectively bad because radical Islam is a fundamentally flawed ideology. [/I] You can't say they're objectively immoral because to what morals are you applying this to? Your own? Are you the moral arbitrator of the universe?[/QUOTE] This was actually what I tried to convey in my last post - they're going to a lot of hurting, and what they're doing won't improve the situation. You're even using the word "bad", even though that is basically synonymous with evil. Going by utilitarianism an immoral action is one which adds more suffering than it takes away - suffering is hardly quantifiable, but what ISIS is doing is immoral if we accept this. This means that at least their actions are immoral. As I explained before, I believe that there are a certain few morals, that simply apply no matter which culture or society you were born in. You might call that dumb or whatever, but I think that since humans have some of the same basic properties (we feel pain, hurt and whatever), any sane individual would reach at least some of the same conclusions. One of them being "you shall not kill other people". I don't think ISIS sees their enemies as people anymore, which is why they're okay with killing them. Problem is, you'll always be human, which is why I think their morals conflict with themselves. This is why I think they're inherently immoral, and why I think they qualify for the evil award. If you're just a tiny bit more relativistic than me, you'll probably disagree.
This could lead to a Vietnam-a-like situation, where the US intervenes too late in defence of the allies in the south of the country. If ISIS keeps on the winning spree, radicalized splinter groups might want to join in. There's some rumour on the wiki page that the gulf countries are financing ISIS, but I'm clueless as to why they would do that... Either way, the prospects are terrifying. Turkey was about to put up a false flag attack to justify entering war against Siria, Eastern Ukraine is literally a battlefield...Iraq is in a mess.It seems not a month passes without the wars multiplying and agravating.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;45102011]As I explained before, I believe that there are a certain few morals, that simply apply no matter which culture or society you were born in. You might call that dumb or whatever, but I think that since humans have some of the same basic properties (we feel pain, hurt and whatever), any sane individual would reach at least some of the same conclusions. One of them being "you shall not kill other people". I don't think ISIS sees their enemies as people anymore, which is why they're okay with killing them. Problem is, you'll always be human, which is why I think their morals conflict with themselves. This is why I think they're inherently immoral, and why I think they qualify for the evil award. If you're just a tiny bit more relativistic than me, you'll probably disagree.[/QUOTE] Plenty of perfectly sane people kill other humans all the time so I really don't think you have a point with that. They're okay with killing them because when breaching a strict Islamist code or law, capital punishment is a just response. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=godfatherk;45102057]This could lead to a Vietnam-a-like situation, where the US intervenes too late in defence of the allies in the south of the country.[/QUOTE] That isn't what happened in vietnam.
[QUOTE=Aman;45101896]I derped a bit. It is early in the morning. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] Beginning bit is them being surrounded and captured. Can just close out before it gets to the bloody bit. [URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d5d_1390322550[/URL] [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] That wasn't implied and please name one that has a high rule of law, abidance by it, and respects human rights. Israel maybe, but not if you're an angry Palestinian.[/QUOTE] Jordan.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45102064]Plenty of perfectly sane people kill other humans all the time so I really don't think you have a point with that. They're okay with killing them because when breaching a strict Islamist code or law, capital punishment is a just response. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] That isn't what happened in vietnam.[/QUOTE] I think you're right, I was thinking of China prior to communist takeover...
[QUOTE=Aman;45101896] That wasn't implied and please name one that has a high rule of law, abidance by it, and respects human rights. Israel maybe, but not if you're an angry Palestinian.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Lebanon"]Lebanon?[/URL] Israel is [B]NOT [/B]​an example of a country respecting human rights.
[thumb]http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/1/186/3929/12752519/9/isis2.jpg?height=381&width=600[/thumb] that's too close for comfort
[QUOTE=godfatherk;45102665][thumb]http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/1/186/3929/12752519/9/isis2.jpg?height=381&width=600[/thumb] that's too close for comfort[/QUOTE] Goddamit Kurdistan needs to stop these guys.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;45102739]Goddamit Kurdistan needs to stop these guys.[/QUOTE] Why would they? they just want to be left alone
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45102750]Why would they? they just want to be left alone[/QUOTE] ISIS/ISIL has been bombing these guys since they took Mosul and who knows what the hell they'd do to Peshmerga after they take all of Iraq. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] Also Peshmerga took Kirkuk
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45102750]Why would they? they just want to be left alone[/QUOTE] Are you. Are you for real. Do you have no idea on the context of having fucking Extremist take over Iraq? It spells the Doom for Kurdistan.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;45102811]Are you. Are you for real. Do you have no idea on the context of having fucking Extremist take over Iraq? It spells the Doom for Kurdistan.[/QUOTE] But a divided and wartorn iraq is exactly that the Kurds want/need. If Iraq was a successful state, kurdistan will never exist. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27836520[/url] [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Griffster26;45102776]Also Peshmerga took Kirkuk[/QUOTE] Peshmerga also refused to help when Maliki requested them to do so in Fallujah
If Iraq falls, then the extremist set siege. It's exactly the opposite of what they want.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;45102895]If Iraq falls, then the extremist set siege. It's exactly the opposite of what they want.[/QUOTE] Did you even read the article or do you plan to spout more meaningless nonsense.
Protracted warfare is a bit more complicated than saying you're now independent when for all means, you were an independent country
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;45102905]Protracted warfare is a bit more complicated than saying you're now independent when for all means, you were an independent country[/QUOTE] "or do you plan to spout more meaningless nonsense"
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45102918]this is a longer way of saying "no"[/QUOTE] They're already independent. The only thing they lack is clear foreign relations. The conflict doesn't really mean much in terms of them becoming independent. It will give them better representation and in the end it might be a goal; but think of it like this. Does a devolved region like Wales have its own fucking military? Kurdistan is already a free nation, they're just under Iraq for conveniences.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;45102929]They're already independent. The only thing they lack is clear foreign relations. The conflict doesn't really mean much in terms of them becoming independent. It will give them better representation and in the end it might be a goal; but think of it like this. Does a devolved region like Wales have its own fucking military? Kurdistan is already a free nation, they're just under Iraq for conveniences.[/QUOTE] Which is why they need a weak Iraq. If Iraq wasn't in a shit state they would roll over the region if it ever tried to secede. Ps why are you comparing it to Wales? Wales isn't in part of the world divided among tribal lines each with they're own armed forces and militias like much if Iraq and the middle east. What Kurdistan has isn't that unique.
I'm being posh about it being devolved and having its own parliament and such, while being a minority in another country.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;45102971]I'm being posh about it being devolved and having its own parliament and such, while being a minority in another country.[/QUOTE] no you're babbling meaningless crap because you don't have anything else to fill your posts up with
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45102935] If Iraq wasn't in a shit state they would roll over the region if it ever tried to secede. [/QUOTE] Well it is in a shit state. They are de facto independent when you really think about it anyway. Same thing with Syrian Kurdistan. Kurds are 2/4 of the way there just need the other keys in the lock!
[QUOTE=NoDachi;45102977]no you're babbling meaningless crap because you don't have anything else to fill your posts up with[/QUOTE] It's a devolved region with its own representation and for all means is another country within a country. It's completely comparable.
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1401634[/url] heh
I'm so thankful I live in a safe western country right now. Those people are fucking monsters. Atrocious human beings lacking any sort of morals. I'm actually ashamed that they can even be called human, they are completely devoid of empathy or any sort of rational thought. These scum need to be wiped off the face of the planet.
you know, guys, you can abhor the actions of a group of people and call for action without stripping them of their human citizenship card [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;45096057]kill the family[/QUOTE] killing civilians, related to militants or otherwise, is not a wise foreign policy model to follow.
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