• Even Al-Qaeda thinks the ISIS is fucking insane [NSFW in source]
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[QUOTE=SexualShark;45100455]when you go out and gun innocent people down randomly on the street, decapitate someone for not believing in what you do, or for having a beer, you cease being civilized, you become nothing but a rabid animal. rabid animals need to have a round put it in their head to prevent it from hurting anyone else.[/QUOTE] You're not serious are you?
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;45096907]All these posts saying "kill them all"... What the fuck happened to "get rid of the death penalty! Only life imprisonment!"[/QUOTE] Has it occurred to you that the people saying these things might not be the same people?
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;45095481]That Saleel Sawarim video was enough to convince me that they're pigs. [URL="http://ia801509.us.archive.org/18/items/al_saleel_4/SaleelSawarim.mp4"][B][I]NSFW AS FUCK[/I][/B][/URL][/QUOTE] HOLY SHIT @ 44:05
I think it's a very difficult situation regarding our ideologies and social behavior we would normally have, and I can understand both sides on this matter. I myself would love to still be fair to these people if there was a way to change their behavior, and most of us still stand to our opinions about for example getting rid of the death sentence, being more accepting of all ethnic groups, religions and all the like. But when we are confronted by something so barbaric that all reason and compassion are nullified, what other option do we have but to become animals ourselves? I can really not think of any way to stop it in a civil manner lest we don't get fucked over by them in the end. I shudder to think what would happen if they got a hold of nuclear or biological weaponry.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45100455]when you go out and gun innocent people down randomly on the street, decapitate someone for not believing in what you do, or for having a beer, you cease being civilized, you become nothing but a rabid animal. rabid animals need to have a round put it in their head to prevent it from hurting anyone else.[/QUOTE] Destroying people for bad reasons has been a cherished pastime of many civilized people through history, some of them quite friendly. Look at those Japanese WW2 vets or former Interahamwe death squads. They raped and slaughtered when they were given license to do so, and when it was over, they put down their swords and their machetes and went back to being normal people like us. Psychopaths are a small and difficult pool to recruit from, and tend to make bad soldiers. Hate to break it to you, but these people aren't broken, they're just bent, and when the fighting is over, provided they survive and escape a war crimes trial, they'll just straighten back out.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45100564] I myself would love to still be fair to these people if there was a way to change their behavior, and most of us still stand to our opinions about for example getting rid of the death sentence, being more accepting of all ethnic groups,[b] religions and all the like.[/b] [/QUOTE] I think this is a good example of why we shouldn't be accepting of Religion at all, these people are practically killing each other because they believe different - and because instead of being rational moral individuals, they are spoon fed ideology by preachers since they were babies. [QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45100564] But when we are confronted by something so barbaric that all reason and compassion are nullified, what other option do we have but to become animals ourselves?[/QUOTE] I'm sure that sounds all 'deep', but really, really: these people are going around slaying innocent civilians, elderly, mothers, children - simply because they can, or for their god. Even if they ARE feeling humans, there is no possibility of them accepting civilization. There is no place on Earth for people like these, that kill innocent individuals en mass with no remorse.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;45100569]Destroying people for bad reasons has been a cherished pastime of many civilized people through history, some of them quite friendly. Look at those Japanese WW2 vets or former Interahamwe death squads. They raped and slaughtered when they were given license to do so, and when it was over, they put down their swords and their machetes and went back to being normal people like us. Psychopaths are a small and difficult pool to recruit from, and tend to make bad soldiers. Hate to break it to you, but these people aren't broken, they're just bent, and when the fighting is over, provided they survive and escape a war crimes trial, they'll just straighten back out.[/QUOTE] These people aren't soldiers. They're savages.
[QUOTE=booster;45100655]These people aren't soldiers. They're savages.[/QUOTE] Well, they're actors who impose the military will of a state(an unrecognized state, alright, but lets not split hairs), so I'm pretty sure they're soldiers.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;45100507]You're not serious are you?[/QUOTE] I can't believe you would even say that. Did you even watch that video? Can you see what kind of people they are? What they do to other Muslims? Anybody with a drop of empathy can see that they are a waste of oxygen. Put them down one by one like the pigs they are. No offence to the pigs. Don't hide behind your moral high-ground "hurr-durr murder is bad mmkay :downs:" I believe in reaping what you sow. If these guys think rape, floggings, crucifixions, mass murder, public beheadings and drive by shootings are okay then they deserve nothing less than that themselves. Fuck turning the other cheek, give them complete and utter annihilation.
[QUOTE=joes33431;45095553]kill the father, three sons step up to the plate. there are no good solutions to this problem.[/QUOTE] Kill the sons too.
ISIS have captured some heavy equipment. Including tanks and artillery. Heavy artillery. Its a shame seeing all these stuff going to the terrorist. [img]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=220136&d=1402594655[/img] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2BrRkScaBs[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YzIROyQDc4#t=235[/media] They have also captured a fuckton of Iraqi army POWs. Probably gonna die in mass execution. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms6LCHmQ2jU[/media] Just what the fuck were they thinking leaving all that equipment behind.
Let them drive the civilians out then just nuke it, show them if they want to fuck with the world order they have to face the consequences. I was against any brutal action like that but it seems like the only way to deal with terrorists nowadays. If you don't kill them all at once they'll just make more the next day.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45098930]I think the ISIS is gonna walk into a bloodbath when they push into Baghdad. They have zero public support and the Iraqi army has some pretty capable forces believe it or not and I imagine they're fucking pissed. hopefully these sf guys are the real deal: [t]http://intercepts.defensenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/170850300-1024x6892.jpg[/t] [t]http://groundreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Iraqi-anti-terrorism.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] There's video of ISIS capturing these guys and executing them. They seem to be a bit of "special forces" in name only. Although I don't want to disparage them too much. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;45098833]Fucking disgusting. At one point they have multicam fatigues on, are they supposed to be impersonating US troops or something?[/QUOTE] They use whatever camo they feel like, the region is saturated in tons of different patterns. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;45099307]What were all the drivebys about? [/QUOTE] Drivebys were targeted killings. On politicians, off duty military or police, or the extended families of said people.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45098930]I think the ISIS is gonna walk into a bloodbath when they push into Baghdad. They have zero public support and the Iraqi army has some pretty capable forces believe it or not and I imagine they're fucking pissed. hopefully these sf guys are the real deal: [t]http://intercepts.defensenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/170850300-1024x6892.jpg[/t] [t]http://groundreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Iraqi-anti-terrorism.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] The thing is, these guys will follow the rules of engagement and other Geneva convention stuff. ISIS don't follow that, so they have that huge advantage. Special forces fighting terrorists is like a scalpel versus a boulder.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;45098988]Why does their flag look like it was drawn by a child? [img]http://polivereview.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/600px-flag_of_islamic_state_of_iraq-svg.gif[/img] They can't even draw a proper circle.[/QUOTE] Top part says Islamic State, bottom bit says Muhammed is the prophet or something like that.
[QUOTE=shian;45100931] They have also captured a fuckton of Iraqi army POWs. Probably gonna die in mass execution. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms6LCHmQ2jU[/media] Just what the fuck were they thinking leaving all that equipment behind.[/QUOTE] I want to say they won't kill all of those guys, but fuck. They likely will.
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[QUOTE=Roll_Program;45100969]The thing is, these guys will follow the rules of engagement and other Geneva convention stuff. ISIS don't follow that, so they have that huge advantage. [/QUOTE] Bahahah you seem very optimistic. These guys are known to go around "disappearing" people at the drop of an order. Political rivals, dissenters, etc. This is partially why all this shit is going on to begin with. As soon as the nationalist Shia dominated government took power they began trying to consolidate power.
[QUOTE=Crash155;45100973]if an enemy army refuses the Geneva convention and of course does not follow or, does that mean the opposing allied forces can disregard the Geneva convention?[/QUOTE] No, because everything would get far too chaotic. It would just start a chain of armies abandoning conventions.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;45100972]I want to say they won't kill all of those guys, but fuck. They likely will.[/QUOTE] Unlikely actually. Before this massive operation they announced anyone who surrendered/laid down arms would be spared and forgiven. So far they've kept this promise. They realize they can't just slaughter thousands of police and army even they know it wouldn't look good. They like to run the razors edge of hearts and minds and the stick with a nail in it.
[QUOTE=Aman;45100975]Bahahah you seem very optimistic. These guys are known to go around "disappearing" people at the drop of an order. Political rivals, dissenters, etc. This is partially why all this shit is going on to begin with. As soon as the nationalist Shia dominated government took power they began trying to consolidate power.[/QUOTE] Maybe on a small scale, but if an army from an internationally recognized country or state was found to be routinely ignoring or completely abandoning the 'rules of war' then it would create such a huge political outrage between everyone who was part of these conventions. Human nature basically means there will always be violent disputes. The rules of war are probably the best ways we could control chaos for now.
[QUOTE=Aman;45100980]Unlikely actually. Before this massive operation they announced anyone who surrendered/laid down arms would be spared and forgiven. They realize they can't just slaughter thousands of police and army even they know it wouldn't look good.[/QUOTE] They're slaughtering civilians, do you really think they'd give a shit whether or not slaughtering military would look good?
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;45100983]Maybe on a small scale, but if an army from an internationally recognized country or state was found to be routinely ignoring or abandoning the 'rules of war' then it would create such a huge political outrage between everyone who was part of these conventions.[/QUOTE] You put a lot of faith in a piece of paper. Once war gets hot all of those "rules" go out of the window, they always do and always have. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Crash155;45100985]They're slaughtering civilians, do you really think they'd give a shit whether or not slaughtering military would look good or not?[/QUOTE] Yes because it would force Iraqi police and military to not surrender to them. If they give pardons to surrendering guys now they surrender in droves.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;45098930]I think the ISIS is gonna walk into a bloodbath when they push into Baghdad. They have zero public support and the Iraqi army has some pretty capable forces believe it or not and I imagine they're fucking pissed. hopefully these sf guys are the real deal: [t]http://intercepts.defensenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/170850300-1024x6892.jpg[/t] [t]http://groundreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Iraqi-anti-terrorism.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] The only real problem with the Iraqi forces is that they're incredibly poorly trained, and disciplined. They're incompetent and at times they don't seem to care. They don't follow protocol at all. In every video I've seen of ISIS storming Iraqi outposts they are literally in their pajamas, drinking tea. The reason ISIS is able to get so well armed is because their outposts are poorly defended. They never bothered to put a sentry up, or watch their surroundings. So when ISIS in their little technicals roll up they just run in and blast their AKs. Round up all the Iraqi soldiers, and either execute them. Or they apologize, ISIS accepts and they gain new members into the fold. Then they walk out with M16s, gear, ammunition, and drive out in the Humvees instead of that 15 year old white Toyota. There's a video of an Iraqi Army Lieutenant getting killed by and IED. But he knows it's there, and even after his subordinates plead for him not to go to the IED, he rebuffs them telling them that "it already blew up." When it does go up in his face, his soldiers lose any and all discipline or cohesion. They scream, cry, and some even discharge their weapons in grief and anger. I don't know how they're going to fight ISIS. It's not looking good, and even if Iraq's Special Forces (by some miracle) is competent they won't win this war against the oncoming horde of radicalized, highly-trained, and very brutal Jihadis alone. The country's hope of defending it self is becoming very slim and unless the Iraqi Armed Forces can get their head out of their ass, which I doubt because I know the high command is already drawing plans to evacuate themselves out of the country, they're going to need foreign intervention.
[QUOTE=Aman;45100987]You put a lot of faith in a piece of paper. Once war gets hot all of those "rules" go out of the window, they always do and always have. [/QUOTE] Every time someone does get caught breaking the rules, it's always big news. I know they're not popular rules with actual soldiers, but it's something that they all just have to accept to be part of civilized society .
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;45100998]Every time someone does get caught breaking the rules, it's always big news. [/QUOTE] Maybe in a low intensity conflict with western countries involved. You really think any middle eastern country gives any fucks about human rights? Don't be naive.
[QUOTE=Aman;45101001]Maybe in a low intensity conflict with western countries involved. You really think any middle eastern country gives any fucks about human rights? Don't be naive.[/QUOTE] Yeah but the new Iraqi army was basically set up by the US and UK, if they found out the guys they just spent so long and so much money training up and setting up were going back to the old ways of the country they would be so angry.
[QUOTE=JDER14;45100989]The only real problem with the Iraqi forces is that they're incredibly poorly trained, and disciplined. They're incompetent and at times they don't seem to care. They don't follow protocol at all. In every video I've seen of ISIS storming Iraqi outposts they are literally in their pajamas, drinking tea. The reason ISIS is able to get so well armed is because their outposts are poorly defended. They never bothered to put a sentry up, or watch their surroundings. So when ISIS in their little technicals roll up they just run in and blast their AKs. Round up all the Iraqi soldiers, and either execute them. Or they apologize, ISIS accepts and they gain new members into the fold. Then they walk out with M16s, gear, ammunition, and drive out in the Humvees instead of that 15 year old white Toyota. There's a video of an Iraqi Army Lieutenant getting killed by and IED. But he knows it's there, and even after his subordinates plead for him not to go to the IED, he rebuffs them telling them that "it already blew up." When it does go up in his face, his soldiers lose any and all discipline or cohesion. They scream, cry, and some even discharge their weapons in grief and anger. I don't know how they're going to fight ISIS. It's not looking good, and even if Iraq's Special Forces (by some miracle) is competent they won't win this war against the oncoming horde of radicalized, highly-trained, and very brutal Jihadis alone. The country's hope of defending it self is becoming very slim and unless the Iraqi Armed Forces can get their head out of their ass, which I doubt because I know the high command is already drawing plans to evacuate themselves out of the country, they're going to need foreign intervention.[/QUOTE] They said they have captured some: [img]http://i.imgur.com/Xb0cUUd.jpg[/img] also, now people are volunteering to join the Iraqi army in large amounts: [img]http://i.imgur.com/UF9Tx2A.jpg[/img]
It'll be Syria V2 by the looks of it. A joint intervention by Russia and Nato troops would be effective as fuck. Both sides have a lot of experience fighting insurgence for the last 20/30 years, surelly it would work.
Then we'll have to see. Hopefully Iraq can fight this one out. [editline]14th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=arthuro12;45101024]It'll be Syria V2 by the looks of it. A joint intervention by Russia and Nato troops would be effective as fuck. Both sides have a lot of experience fighting insurgence for the last 20/30 years, surelly it would work.[/QUOTE] We have a lot of experience fighting sure, but so does the other side. I'm not sure just how effective that would be.
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