Child porn addict jailed after visits to swimming pool
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some of you are literally fucked in the head
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751275]Any person that gets aroused by something and does it in real life?[/QUOTE]
Which is such an absurdly small amount of population it's not even trackable on the overall amount of people who get aroused by something and never move on to actually performing it in real life.
Do you think every single furry that ever lived owns a fursuit and drilled fuckholes in it or what
As a question, what do you guys propose we do to try and rehabilitate paedophiles who have not committed a crime? Do you believe that simply looking at loli is enough to go to prison? (This is a genuine question because I'm curious, I know this is mostly an argument here but I'd like to try and make it more of a debate because I can see where you're coming from but I personally disagree on some points.)
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751275]Any person that gets aroused by something and does it in real life?[/QUOTE]
Any explanation to the fact that porn availability is correlated with a decrease in actual sex crimes?
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46751200]what you morons never seem to understand is that pedophilia is almost never present in adjusted, functional people. it's usually part of a larger set of psychopathology. people who have pedophilic tendencies are almost always socially inept, have trouble forming interpersonal relations or had an otherwise stunted development.[/QUOTE]
You sound like you have data to back that up. I'd be happy to see it.
[QUOTE]this is why child molesters always justify their behavior as legitimate or claim to "love" kids. they literally can't understand that they're hurting kids and are unable to empathize with them. only THEN it would be correct to talk about a disorder, and even then, it doesn't excuse it one bit.[/QUOTE]
That would explain how most child molesters are messed up.
But actual child molesters are only a subset of pedophiles.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46751216]How the FUCK does it enable someone to hurt a child? It's not a fucking "How to molest children" guide.[/QUOTE]
It makes a pedophile believe that the sexualization of children is normal, is that OK with you??
[editline]19th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=_Axel;46751295]Any explanation to the fact that porn availability is correlated with a decrease in actual sex crimes?[/QUOTE]
That's with legal and consenting adults, not children, that's why there aren't any sources or studies that say otherwise because it's wrong?
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46751260]Porn doesn't enable me to want anything, :words: :words: :words:.[/QUOTE]
You think baby rape is a laff so who cares what you think?
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[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46751293]As a question, what do you guys propose we do to try and rehabilitate paedophiles who have not committed a crime? Do you believe that simply looking at loli is enough to go to prison? (This is a genuine question because I'm curious, I know this is mostly an argument here but I'd like to try and make it more of a debate because I can see where you're coming from but I personally disagree on some points.)[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's reason enough.
Bait porn exists (ie porn with 30 years old women who are touched up to look like they're 16) and is frequently used by the police to find and track down people seeking CP, along with some CP websites that aren't directly taken down and instead used by the police to track down its users. These two things should be used to find people who are trying to get their hands on CP and prosecute them, but also to offer them psychiatric help that they should receive.
Problem with the current situation is that instead of offering them the psychiatric help they obviously need they get thrown in prison for long stretches of time which doesn't do anything else than build up frustration and increase chances of recidivism. They do need to be incarcerated since it's a crime to begin with but that's not all that should be done.
I'd say that tracking down people who own very large amounts of loli porn would be a good idea but it's absolutely impossible to do considering the massive amount of loli that's floating around the internet (it's fictional and drawn therefore easy to produce and really easy to find) so it's a better idea to focus on people who pick up CP/Bait before they go on the next logical step which is actual child molestation.
Basically as far as fetishes go, if someone's stuck at the "masturbating to loli" phase then it's so benign there's no reason to do anything. If that person goes any further then you really ought to do something about it. Not to mention the fact that availability to porn (of any kind) has been directly linked with decreased numbers of sexual violence, on the same basis of catharsis : if you can vent on something that's not gonna cause harm, there is no reason to go for the thing that's going to cause harm.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46751293]As a question, what do you guys propose we do to try and rehabilitate paedophiles who have not committed a crime? Do you believe that simply looking at loli is enough to go to prison? (This is a genuine question because I'm curious, I know this is mostly an argument here but I'd like to try and make it more of a debate because I can see where you're coming from but I personally disagree on some points.)[/QUOTE]
Okay then, mentioning it one more time.
There are therapy programs that try to help pedophiles keep their urges under control. There's a rather prominent one in Germany. It's a purely voluntary thing that pedophiles who are afraid they might hurt a child can have themselves admitted to.
Further, I'd say that if we finally stopped treating pedophiles (the ones who haven't done anything, anyway) like trash, it'd be a lot easier to actually get to them. The way it is now, the only people most pedophiles will ever open up to are other pedophiles, because they'd be lynched if they told anyone else.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751308]That's with legal and consenting adults, not children, that's why there aren't any sources or studies that say otherwise because it's wrong?[/QUOTE]
Do you think sex drive works completely differently when it's about children? Why would porn satiate lust in one case and the complete opposite in the other?
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46751334]I don't think it's reason enough.
Bait porn exists (ie porn with 30 years old women who are touched up to look like they're 16) and is frequently used by the police to find and track down people seeking CP, along with some CP websites that aren't directly taken down and instead used by the police to track down its users. These two things should be used to find people who are trying to get their hands on CP and prosecute them, but also to offer them psychiatric help that they should receive.
Problem with the current situation is that instead of offering them the psychiatric help they obviously need they get thrown in prison for long stretches of time which doesn't do anything else than build up frustration and increase chances of recidivism. They do need to be incarcerated since it's a crime to begin with but that's not all that should be done.
I'd say that tracking down people who own very large amounts of loli porn would be a good idea but it's absolutely impossible to do considering the massive amount of loli that's floating around the internet (it's fictional and drawn therefore easy to produce and really easy to find) so it's a better idea to focus on people who pick up CP/Bait before they go on the next logical step which is actual child molestation.[/QUOTE]
I really like this post compared to the other shit I've heard throughout the thread, thank you for providing a good read.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751308]It makes a pedophile believe that the sexualization of children is normal, is that OK with you??
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Does guro make people think cutting people up is okay? Do videogames make people think violence is okay? No they aren't fucking different, every thread in GGD is filled with people talking casually about how they killed people in a game, it doesn't make them more likely to go out and attack people, just as viewing loli porn doesn't make people go out and rape children.
You have posted no evidence that loli porn 'normailises the sexualisation of children' or causes people to actually go out and rape children. All you and everyone else has done is say "Bleh, paedos are gross, make them go away!"
[QUOTE=_Axel;46751338]Do you think sex drive behaves completely differently when it's about children? Why would porn satiate lust in one case and the complete opposite in the other?[/QUOTE]
The fact that you think it's fine because there aren't any studies on it that prove otherwise is idiotic because something that's wrong to do isn't going to be open for study like adult porn is(BECAUSE THIS IS LEGAL AND WITH CONSENTING ADULTS, NOT WITH CHILDREN) it's going to be underground where the poor children are being harmed, genius.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46751359]Does guro make :words: :words: :words:[/QUOTE]
just remember this guy looks at / supports drawn child porn when he posts, thanks.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751361]The fact that you think it's fine because there aren't any studies on it that prove otherwise is idiotic because something that's wrong to do isn't going to be open for study like adult porn is(BECAUSE THIS IS LEGAL AND WITH CONSENTING ADULTS, NOT WITH CHILDREN) it's going to be underground where the poor children are being harmed, genius.[/QUOTE]
Do you really believe that sexually frustrated pedophiles are less dangerous than those who can satisfy their need without victim?
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46751334]I don't think it's reason enough.
Bait porn exists (ie porn with 30 years old women who are touched up to look like they're 16) and is frequently used by the police to find and track down people seeking CP, along with some CP websites that aren't directly taken down and instead used by the police to track down its users. These two things should be used to find people who are trying to get their hands on CP and prosecute them, but also to offer them psychiatric help that they should receive.
Problem with the current situation is that instead of offering them the psychiatric help they obviously need they get thrown in prison for long stretches of time which doesn't do anything else than build up frustration and increase chances of recidivism. They do need to be incarcerated since it's a crime to begin with but that's not all that should be done.
I'd say that tracking down people who own very large amounts of loli porn would be a good idea but it's absolutely impossible to do considering the massive amount of loli that's floating around the internet (it's fictional and drawn therefore easy to produce and really easy to find) so it's a better idea to focus on people who pick up CP/Bait before they go on the next logical step which is actual child molestation.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for giving your opinion on this- whilst I'm not sure I fully agree with you, I definitely see a lot of similarities between how you and I feel about this issue. We might be 'opposites' on one or two details of this, and they might be fairly large details in some ways, but thank you for giving me an honest answer.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46751337]Okay then, mentioning it one more time.
There are therapy programs that try to help pedophiles keep their urges under control. There's a rather prominent one in Germany. It's a purely voluntary thing that pedophiles who are afraid they might hurt a child can have themselves admitted to.
Further, I'd say that if we finally stopped treating pedophiles (the ones who haven't done anything, anyway) like trash, it'd be a lot easier to actually get to them. The way it is now, the only people most pedophiles will ever open up to are other pedophiles, because they'd be lynched if they told anyone else.[/QUOTE]
I hope there's a programme like this in Britain too, but honestly I doubt it. We're one of the worst countries for absolute stigmatisation of paedophilia: simply being accused of it by one person is your life ruined, essentially.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46751359]Does guro make people think cutting people up is okay? Do videogames make people think violence is okay? No they aren't fucking different, every thread in GGD is filled with people talking casually about how they killed people in a game, it doesn't make them more likely to go out and attack people, just as viewing loli porn doesn't make people go out and rape children.
You have posted no evidence that loli porn 'normailises the sexualisation of children' or causes people to actually go out and rape children. All you and everyone else has done is say "Bleh, paedos are gross, make them go away!"[/QUOTE]
how does other fucked up porn and video games suddenly dismiss everything???
can you talk about the issue with child porn and not video games for once???
[editline]19th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=_Axel;46751374]Do you really believe that sexually frustrated pedophiles are less dangerous than those who can satisfy their need without victim?[/QUOTE]
Where did I say anything related to this, stop throwing around random questions that have nothing to do with what I said.
[QUOTE=_Axel;46751374]Do you really believe that sexually frustrated pedophiles are less dangerous than those who can satisfy their need without victim?[/QUOTE]
i think they're both dangerous to kids.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751361]The fact that you think it's fine because there aren't any studies on it that prove otherwise is idiotic because something that's wrong to do isn't going to be open for study like adult porn is(BECAUSE THIS IS LEGAL AND WITH CONSENTING ADULTS, NOT WITH CHILDREN) it's going to be underground where the poor children are being harmed, genius.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe people who are smarter than you looked at statistics and noticed a very obvious correlation between availability of porn (including loli porn) and a decrease in sexual violence (including violence done to children).
Even without going into loli, there's an entire branch of porn with real actresses that's focused on making them look younger than they are. You can find a ton of websites that are all about 18 years old porn actresses. The reason those exist is because people would much rather beat their meat to a 25 years old actress pretending to be 18 or lower than to an actual video of someone that age because it's legally safer than to try to pick up 16 years old chicks.
Besides - and that's important - your personal feelings about loli is completely and utterly irrelevant to its actual impact on anyone. The [I]fact[/I] is that loli is fictional (and highly unrealistic) and it cannot as such be held on the same legal ground as child porn. You can find it dangerous, unsafe, gross, unnatural, whatever else you may see fit, it won't change the fact that legally speaking, someone can't be guilty of molesting a child or possessing CP unless they actually do (or attempt to) possess CP or molest a child. If loli can successfully prevent someone from crossing the legal line and commit an actual crime that actually harms people, then more power to it.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751377]how does other fucked up porn and video games suddenly dismiss everything???
can you talk about the issue with child porn and not video games for once???
[editline]19th December 2014[/editline]
Where did I say anything related to this, stop throwing around random questions that have nothing to do with what I said.[/QUOTE]
You do realize they're using the fucked up porn and video games example to point out how your logic doesn't work at all when applied to anything else?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751377]how does other fucked up porn and video games suddenly dismiss everything???
can you talk about the issue with child porn and not video games for once???
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Does loli porn increase the likelihood that people will go out and rape children? If so, where are the studies which show that?
Your claims that loli porn somehow makes people assault children are completely unsubstantiated.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46751300]You sound like you have data to back that up. I'd be happy to see it.
That would explain how most child molesters are messed up.
But actual child molesters are only a subset of pedophiles.[/QUOTE]
there are a bunch of clinical studies on the subject but this the only one i could find right now
[url]http://www.paedofiles.com/main/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/12/pedophiles.pdf[/url]
but yeah the link between pedophilia and sociopathic personality disorders is pretty well documented in psychology. keep in mind most of the subjects in these studies are convicted sex offenders, since it's unlikely that your average forum pedo will voluntarily take part in them, but the science is pretty solid.
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to elaborate, you can't have *just* pedophilia in the same way you can't only have a pathological need for order like in OCD, the human mind doesn't wok like that. these are all traits present in "clusters" of different disoders, e.g. narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorders, etc.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46751386]Or maybe people who are smarter than you looked at statistics and noticed a very obvious correlation between availability of porn (including loli porn) and a decrease in sexual violence (including violence done to children).
Even without going into loli, there's an entire branch of porn with real actresses that's focused on making them look younger than they are. You can find a ton of websites that are all about 18 years old porn actresses. The reason those exist is because people would much rather beat their meat to a 25 years old actress pretending to be 18 or lower than to an actual video of someone that age because it's legally safer than to try to pick up 16 years old chicks.[/QUOTE]
well too fucking bad there aren't any statistics on child porn because everyone knows it's fucking wrong without needing a graph to tell them
"IF YOU AIN'T GOT A GRAPH, YOU AIN'T RIGHT"
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46751377]Where did I say anything related to this, stop throwing around random questions that have nothing to do with what I said.[/QUOTE]
You're arguing that loli enables child molestation. I think it's actually the opposite.
[QUOTE=Appox;46751383]i think they're both dangerous to kids.[/QUOTE]
Why should loli be illegal if it makes no difference?
If you defend loli porn, or child porn in general please, get checked out by a doctor. No one wants to be around a kiddy diddler apologist.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;46749784]if u wank to loli porn you're still wanking to a picture of a child, sure there might not be a victim but still, you're wanking to children[/QUOTE]
If I shoot people in videogames that also makes me a murderer :downs:
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46751402]
Your claims that loli porn somehow makes people assault children are completely unsubstantiated.[/QUOTE]
This guy who got arrested that this thread is about had loli and real images, who told a probation working about how he's assault a kid.
Not really unsubstantiated. Just like you finding drawn kid stuff a laff isn't unsubstantiated I got picture proof
The fact that you people need statistics just to understand the evil nature of child pornography is unbelievable.
[QUOTE=Wootman;46751421]If you defend loli porn, or child porn in general please, get checked out by a doctor. No one wants to be around a kiddy diddler apologist.[/QUOTE]
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