What change? Obama personally signs PATRIOT ACT extension. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JDK721;30124191][citation needed x3][/QUOTE] From the 2008 Democratic Party Platform 1. War on Terrorism - [quote] Defeating Al Qaeda and Combating Terrorism The central front in the war on terror is not Iraq, and it never was. We will defeat Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where those who actually attacked us on 9-11 reside and are resurgent. [/quote] 2. War on Drugs [quote] We must help state, local, and tribal law enforcement work together to combat and prevent drug crime and drug and alcohol abuse, which are a blight on our communities. We will restore funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant Program and expand the use of drug courts and rehabilitation programs for first-time, non-violent drug offenders. [/quote] 3. De-Regulation of Industry - [quote] Reforming Financial Regulation and Corporate Governance We have failed to guard against practices that all too often rewarded financial manipulation instead of productivity and sound business practices. We have let the special interests put their thumbs on the economic scales. We do not believe that government should stand in the way of innovation, or turn back the clock to an older era of regulation. But we do believe that government has a role to play in advancing our common prosperity: by providing stable macroeconomic and financial conditions for sustained growth; by demanding transparency; and by ensuring fair competition in the marketplace. We will reform and modernize our regulatory structures and will work to promote a shift in the cultures of our financial institutions and our regulatory agencies. We will ensure shareholders have an advisory vote on executive compensation, in order to spur increased transparency and public debate over pay packages. To make our communities stronger and more livable, and to meet the challenges of increasing global competitiveness, America will lead innovation in corporate responsibility to create jobs and leverage our private sector entrepreneurial leadership to help build a better world. [/quote] So by the looks of it, Ultra Violence was right about 1, partially right about 2, and wrong about 3. Number 2 depends on how you look at it. It looks like Democrats are less "throw 'em all in prison", but they aren't going to legalize anything.

[QUOTE=Ridge;30141657] Why should they get tried in civilian courts? They are not members of society. They are foreign soldiers captured on the battlefield killing American troops.[/QUOTE] because a military tribunal is not fair or just it does not grant the accused the same rights as a normal trial [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;30137526]i still love you[/QUOTE] :h:

If you want a copy of the platform you can get it here: [url]http://www.democrats.org/about/party_platform[/url]

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;30141713]Lol I love you people. "I'll never vote for him now!" Lol OK now you can vote for Palin instead glhf.[/QUOTE] I'm hoping Ron Paul will get the nomination, but that isn't very likely. What I like about Paul is that he is very principled, consistent, and would act on everything he said. I really don't know why the media is hyping Palin up so much. It'll be interesting to see what happens at the next debate.

automatic pen? so what they have a robotic pen that signs obamas name in his handwriting? where can I buy one!

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;30141043]I Uh dude, Washington didn't take power. He was appointed as president by an entire group of people, and it was the only presidential election where literally 100% of people voted for him. Not to mention back then there were no term limits yet he stepped down, peacefully on his own accord. Yea, so what he owned slaves. That doesn't mean he was Simon Legree and treated them like shit. He had a lot of land and farms to take care of and back then slavery was the work force. All accounts I've heard is that he treated his slaves like family. Also, in his will, he freed all his slaves upon his wife's death. His wife died after he did though. Not only this, but he signed the northwest ordnance of 1787 which not only created the territory but banned slavery in it. Also you are fucking retarded for saying "hurr durr he wanted power so he fought britain", literally with the exception of 15,000 people, the entire country wanted England out of their lives. What people who say that the revolution was by rich whites don't realize is that Britain's taxes such as the stamp act affected literally everyone who used paper, which, was everybody. In addition to this these taxes were imposed arbitrarily and without representation. The taxes only affected merchants until the stamp act, then it affected everyone.[/QUOTE] This is getting way off topic, but whatever. Yeah, Washington was appointed by his rich buddies (i.e. Madison, Hamilton, etc) Wow, he freed his slaves not only after he died, but after his wife died. If he was really opposed to slavery don't you think he would have done that when he was still alive. He had plenty of money to pay his slaves to work his field if farming was that important to him. Britain was only taxing the colonies because of French and Indian war. They're like "Help us Britain, the French are being mean." So Britain is like "Ok", then after the war Britain is like "Hey, we're kind of broke right now could you pay us back for that whole war thing?" Then the Americans are like "FUCK THAT. TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION". Except that the way the British Parliament works is that all the MPs represent all of the British Empire not just England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. So the Americans kind of were represented.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30143701]Britain was only taxing the colonies because of French and Indian war. They're like "Help us Britain, the French are being mean." So Britain is like "Ok", then after the war Britain is like "Hey, we're kind of broke right now could you pay us back for that whole war thing?" Then the Americans are like "FUCK THAT. TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION". Except that the way the British Parliament works is that all the MPs represent all of the British Empire not just England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. So the Americans kind of were represented.[/QUOTE] There is a lot more to it than that, but I guess that could be a short summary. A big reason for the declaring independence was because they knew Britain was going down the drain and things were only going to get worse.

[QUOTE=Ridge;30141657]He was given a piece of a famous ship, and he gave them region 1 DVDs. That sort of discrepancy is grossly inappropriate.[/QUOTE] no one cares about what you think on obama's gift giving abilites

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30143701]This is getting way off topic, but whatever. Yeah, Washington was appointed by his rich buddies (i.e. Madison, Hamilton, etc)[/quote] I will give you this one. [quote]Wow, he freed his slaves not only after he died, but after his wife died. If he was really opposed to slavery don't you think he would have done that when he was still alive. He had plenty of money to pay his slaves to work his field if farming was that important to him.[/quote] No, he would not have had enough money to pay his slaves for work. That is the whole reason behind using slave labor. They wouldn't have enough money otherwise. Washington was actually very lenient on the topic of slavery. He emancipated all slaves who served in the Revolutionary War, and he refused to sell slaves because he did not want to break up families. [quote]Britain was only taxing the colonies because of French and Indian war. They're like "Help us Britain, the French are being mean." So Britain is like "Ok", then after the war Britain is like "Hey, we're kind of broke right now could you pay us back for that whole war thing?" Then the Americans are like "FUCK THAT. TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION". Except that the way the British Parliament works is that all the MPs represent all of the British Empire not just England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. So the Americans kind of were represented.[/QUOTE] You don't know anything about that war if that's how you think it happened. Many colonists wanted nothing to do with the war. It started because of Frederick the Great in Prussia, not the colonists. [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] IIRC, France didn't even make any moves in the Americas until British forces attacked French forts in Canada.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30143532]So by the looks of it, Ultra Violence was right about 1, partially right about 2, and wrong about 3. Number 2 depends on how you look at it. It looks like Democrats are less "throw 'em all in prison", but they aren't going to legalize anything.[/QUOTE] Basically the Democrats aren't great, but I'd much prefer them managing the government as opposed to the Republican alternative (Palin, Pawlenty, Santorum, Paul, etc.)

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30143558]because a military tribunal is not fair or just it does not grant the accused the same rights as a normal trial [/QUOTE] All is fair in love and war.

What's sad, is when the bill was originally drafted and sent to the senate, most senators didn't even read the bill.

[QUOTE=Ridge;30146263]All is fair in love and war.[/QUOTE] it is when someone is being tried for a crime or at least thats what american principles and the constitution tell us

[QUOTE=Zareox7;30147877]What's sad, is when the bill was originally drafted and sent to the senate, most senators didn't even read the bill.[/QUOTE] That's getting pretty standard for Congress, and it's pissing me the fuck off.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30116252]I guess that's why the Democrats are the ones who introduced Social Security, opposed the Bush tax cuts, and were in favor of health care reform.[/QUOTE] Too bad they extended the Bush tax cuts, and passed a health care reform plan that ended up being identical to the one the Republicans proposed. [editline]31st May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Pepin;30129793]Plenty of differences of course, especially in their views, but how they are handling a lot of issues in similar fashions.[/QUOTE] That's what I'm saying I guess. I like Obama's official views a lot better, but what he is actually doing in office is very similar to what Bush was doing in his last few years. [editline]31st May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Pepin;30131856]I like some of the things Obama has done. Stopping medical marijuana raids, stopping torture, likely more things that I can't remember. But in my mind, the things bad things far outweigh the good.[/QUOTE] Actually, starting this year they're increasing the medical marijuana raids. I read something a couple days ago that said that they're doing more of them now than Bush was doing.

oh look, everyone's messiah Barack Obama isn't doing something they like! but it's ok, someone will come up with an explanation to delude themself into thinking obama's still the hero of the usa

[QUOTE=Amplar;30166391]oh look, everyone's messiah Barack Obama isn't doing something they like![/QUOTE] Oh stop, no one's fantasizing about Obama being a messiah or the best president ever. To me, he's the best option that we had. McCain wouldn't have been better, and certainly not with Palin at his side.

I agree with you completely on that, Megafanx13! Palin was inexcusable.

[QUOTE=analrapist;30166870]I agree with you completely on that, Megafanx13! Palin was inexcusable.[/QUOTE] all of the other candidates were shitty basically obama was the best choice

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;30166531]Oh stop, no one's fantasizing about Obama being a messiah or the best president ever. To me, he's the best option that we had. McCain wouldn't have been better, and certainly not with Palin at his side.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Meller Yeller;30074846]I don't see why people on here care so much. It's something that would never affect your life in the slightest.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Nikota;30074840]What else could he have done? There's a ton of crisis right now and the last thing the government needs is people bickering over this and causing delays in congress for several days because of it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sega Saturn;30074830]If he didn't, it would have been another Republican berserk button pressed. Fox News would have brought on "annalists" to bash him on his terror policy and it would be thrown in his face for months to come by the retarded Republican House. At the same time, we still haven't worked out a compromise to raise the debt ceiling, and we can't have this in the way. Despite the sense behind it, it's a horrid bill and I hope it gets killed as soon as the budget is safe again.[/QUOTE] these guys are obama apologists i was talking about earlier, the people who make obama out to be better than he is thats just from the first page im sure i could find more if i wanted [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;30171614]all of the other candidates were shitty basically obama was the best choice[/QUOTE] only choice best choice implies our choice was at least a good one

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30171616]these guys are obama apologists i was talking about earlier, the people who make obama out to be better than he is thats just from the first page im sure i could find more if i wanted[/QUOTE] no one's making him out to be better than he is stop getting your panties in a bunch

[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;30171780]no one's making him out to be better than he is stop getting your panties in a bunch[/QUOTE] except for the people i quoted

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30171959]except for the people i quoted[/QUOTE] nope there's no connection between what they said and what you alleged

Yeah meller's just a idiot.

[QUOTE=analrapist;30166870]I agree with you completely on that, Megafanx13! Palin was inexcusable.[/QUOTE] It is undeniable.

[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;30172038]nope there's no connection between what they said and what you alleged[/QUOTE] its being an apologist for the bad things he has done [editline]1st June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;30172222]It is undeniable.[/QUOTE] aw cmon palin would be a fun president! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E&feature=related[/media]