[QUOTE=Van-man;49339788]How the devs should've handled the criticism.
Huge dongs and balls dangling around inside shorts, true equality.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, the progressive adversion to the sexualization of women is kinda messed up.
Look at rust for example, dongs are cool and having dong size be randomized is great but they had to make it clear that there wouldn't be titties.
[url]http://playrust.com/devblog-65/[/url]
[QUOTE=krutomisi;49339818][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHnVIl7Bc78&feature=youtu.be&t=55[/media]
1:00 = :dig:[/QUOTE]
Nothing wrong with virtual titties.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49339853]Honestly, the progressive adversion to the sexualization of women is kinda messed up.
Look at rust for example, dongs are cool and having dong size be randomized is great but they had to make it clear that there wouldn't be titties.
[url]http://playrust.com/devblog-65/[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=http://playrust.com/devblog-65/][t]https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/files.facepunch.com/TomWorkPC/2015/June/18/fem.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
?
they even modeled nipples and a vagina?
[QUOTE=Wii60;49338448]look at all these female ~~sexualized~~ doa characters
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Kokoro[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Hitomi[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Leifang[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Ayane[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Honoka[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Marie_Rose[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Helena_Douglas[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Pai_Chan[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/Mila[/url]
[url]http://deadoralive.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-458[/url]
god help me if i see them in a bikini[/QUOTE]
"Women in video games who are skinny, athletic and have cute faces are too sexualized and demeaning because I don't want to be reminded that I'm a fat slug and will never look as attractive as them." - Concerned feminists
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49339853]Honestly, the progressive adversion to the sexualization of women is kinda messed up. [/QUOTE]
there is no "progressive adversion to the sexualization of women".
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49338446]I still can't see this as anything other than a publicity stunt. They made most of their sales from the Western release of DoA Xtreme 2 and I don't buy that businessmen in Japan really care about the vocal super-minority of critics in the west.[/QUOTE]
There have been a few other companies citing the negative focus on sexual content in games as a large issue in western gaming media, [URL="http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/12/gaming-medias-focus-on-sexism-in-the-west-is-a-difficult-problem-says-sony-exec/"]most recently the president of Sony's Worldwide Studios for Sony Computer Entertainment[/URL]. (Yes, that site follows certain politics. All claims are sourced though so hopefully that's not an issue for you.)
I don't think it's fair to dismiss their influence by calling them a "vocal super-minority" while it's large enough [URL="https://archive.is/vzRvI"]for Sarkeesian to make it into the TIME 100[/URL] (though considering that's written by Wheaton, it's possible this may be part of his personal campaign of badmouthing #GamerGate. He kept going on about that for over a year after all).
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49340139]there is no "progressive adversion to the sexualization of women".[/QUOTE]
I agree. Someone called them the "regressive left" recently in his talk show, which I think is much more apt.
Unfortunately they're currently much more visible than actual progressives, likely because overly confrontational but superficial "activism" works better as media spectacle and "safe moral high-ground", and as such is reported on far more often.
[QUOTE=krutomisi;49339818][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHnVIl7Bc78&feature=youtu.be&t=55[/media]
1:00 = :dig:[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;xuSYd5CO0Xg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuSYd5CO0Xg[/video]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49340139]there is no "progressive adversion to the sexualization of women".[/QUOTE]
Not really sure who qualifies as a progressive thesedays but there are a ton of sex negative feminists who love to complain about see thread topic.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49340139]there is no "progressive adversion to the sexualization of women".[/QUOTE]
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1491586[/url]
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1494899[/url]
This isn't some bogieman pulled out of nowhere. Here are some examples.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49340678]complaining about ass and titty video games is the same level as complaining about violent video games
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
violent video games dont turn people into school shooters and ass and titty video games dont turn people into rapists and women haters[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.reaxxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/anita-doom-tweet-2.png[/IMG]
complaining about ass and titty video games is the same level as complaining about violent video games
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
violent video games dont turn people into school shooters and ass and titty video games dont turn people into rapists and women haters
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49340660][URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1491586[/URL]
[URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1494899[/URL]
This isn't some bogieman pulled out of nowhere. Here are some examples.
[IMG]http://www.reaxxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/anita-doom-tweet-2.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Nothing you linked is indicitive of what you said though.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49340746]Nothing you linked is indicitive of what you said though.[/QUOTE]
At least I personally can see the connection quite clearly, especially with the first link.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;49340920]At least I personally can see the connection quite clearly, especially with the first link.[/QUOTE]
I'm not seeing the link between a critique of Anita Sarkeesian and the supposed progressive stance against sexy video game characters.
Hideo Kojima:
[url]https://archive.is/HDTGl[/url]
[QUOTE]"Games matured beyond simple interactive toys and into a rich medium that could deliver drama and other deeper elements," he said. "At that point, Japanese games became a hard sell: their sensibilities and cultural identity were distinct and unrelatable."[/QUOTE]
a bunch of japanese devs think their culture is simply uncompatible with ours, i wonder why
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49340927]I'm not seeing the link between a critique of Anita Sarkeesian and the supposed progressive stance against sexy video game characters.[/QUOTE]
Read the replies.
Here's the play-by-play:
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007101]You're right Rangergxi there isn't a whole cultural phenomenon with sexualization of women in Asia.
Sweet Avatar by the way[/QUOTE]
Guy gets dumbed for making unclear comment, they get pissed off because they feel as though the entirety of Asia being sexist is a self-demonstrating fact and refuses to provide examples. They get attacked for comparing actual sexism to video game characters and then they backpedal and post this:
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007213]By making a mocking comment about Rangerxgis weird creepy "lewd little girl" avatar I was not inteding to simplify sexism problems on a whole continent, including India, China, the largest part of Russia, Mongolia and half of the inhabited part of the Pacific to "sexualization of manga women", I was merely making a mocking statement towards the (admitedly) assumed interpretation of Rangers post that Asia somehow DOESN'T have a sexism problem.
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
And I hope you can read that I'm still a bit ironic by the way I worded this[/QUOTE]
"Asia has a sexism problem."
When Killuah was pushed for why they thought this, they posted this:
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007246]It's not uppon me to make you read the news but I understand why you don't see it now.
[url]https://twitter.com/ExploSilo/status/638921188295598080[/url][/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ra2BzNK.jpg[/img]
"OMG FEMALE CHARACTERS IN VIDEO GAMES AND THEY HAVE MAMMARY TISSUE, THIS IS A SEXIST ISSUE!"
[QUOTE=Eonart;49007252]pffffffftttt hahhahahaha
You choose that of all examples of Asian sexism while trying to put it in the same league as indian rape gangs?
[IMG]http://www.therobotsvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/buttmousepad.jpg[/IMG]
come on man[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Killuah;49007279][b]Yeah that's the whole point.
Of course using big anime boobies and little girls in skimpy clothing to sell a game to perpetually horny teenage boys is sexism.
Just like the Bikini issue of Sports Illustrated.
Because it twists and reduces the public image of women to a tool of marketing[/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eonart;49007283]You chose Senran Kagura 2, where well written character development is actually one of its strong points people recommend it for and where they decided to add a male playable character (that can get his clothes torn off like everyone else) just to appease females who wanted to play the game for its semi-decent gameplay.
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
Sex is legal, ripping people limb from limb is illegal, guess which one is allowed in video games!
Both should be allowed because it's fucking video games.[/QUOTE]
Killuah argues with people for several pages and gets perma'd.
The reason you don't see as many of these kinds of posters anymore is that most of them have been banned, but it's a very common sentiment off of Facepunch.
[QUOTE=Zyler;49342192]Read the replies.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to go through 11 pages of an Anita Sarkeesian thread. How about you point out the examples Rangergxi can't.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49342215]I'm not going to go through 11 pages of an Anita Sarkeesian thread. How about you point out the examples Rangergxi can't.[/QUOTE]
Updated my post.
[QUOTE=Zyler;49342240]Updated my post.[/QUOTE]
So I guess I misunderstood but are we talking about a "progressive aversion to the sexualization of women" or people who are nominally progressive having an aversion to sexualization of women? It's two different things.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49342289]So I guess I misunderstood but are we talking about a "progressive aversion to the sexualization of women" or people who are nominally progressive having an aversion to sexualization of women? It's two different things.[/QUOTE]
If you read the entire thread, that is what Killuah was going about, my memory is hazy so forgive me if I am wrong.
If I am correct, Killuah acts Progressive towards Sexualization of Women, but in fact acts the complete opposite, going to the point of going through posters accounts (mine for example, the Senran Kagura one as seen in Zylers post) and using avatars as "proof/evidence" (or how we are blinded because of the stuff we buy/like).
There are tons of people who act to be Progressive towards Sexualization of Women, but in fact are the complete opposite and pretty much hate anything that shows a Woman's skin.
The only time they are actually are happy towards a sexualized Woman, is when it's created by a female. And in some cases, this ranges from the character artist, to story writer, to creator of the game entirely.
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
Here is an example of what they would act like.
So lets say that Shantae (The video game series [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shantae[/url]) didn't exist till this very day.
They come out, announce it and show off the trailer and gameplay, which includes obviously the main character Shantae.
This is what Shantae looks like, as she does an Idle animation (if I am correct, it's one of her iconic movements, as she is a belly dancer)
[t]http://i.imgur.com/7HlpXc7.gif[/t]
Anyway so people see that, and a group of people get all pissy about how it's sexualizing Women, how it's inappropriate and pandering towards the Male demographic, and is made by Men.
They don't bother to do their research, because if they did, they would know Shantae, the character design, was made by the creators wife.
He went and asked his wife, then she disappeared and came back with some character designs, which the current one is.
[url]http://www.gamnesia.com/news/the-co-creator-of-shantae-opens-up-about-her-creation-and-what-inspired-her[/url]
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
Plus they would ignore the fact that she is a strong Woman, and can do stuff herself.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49342289]So I guess I misunderstood but are we talking about a "progressive aversion to the sexualization of women" or people who are nominally progressive having an aversion to sexualization of women? It's two different things.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xonax;49342315]If you read the entire thread, that is what Killuah was going about, my memory is hazy so forgive me if I am wrong.
If I am correct, Killuah acts Progressive towards Sexualization of Women, but in fact acts the complete opposite, going to the point of going through posters accounts (mine for example, the Senran Kagura one as seen in Zylers post) and using avatars as "proof/evidence" (or how we are blinded because of the stuff we buy/like).
There are tons of people who act to be Progressive towards Sexualization of Women, but in fact are the complete opposite and pretty much hate anything that shows a Woman's skin.
The only time they are actually are happy towards a sexualized Woman, is when it's created by a female. And in some cases, this ranges from the character artist, to story writer, to creator of the game entirely.[/QUOTE]
People who act like this are called "The Regressive Left" for the exact reason that they claim to be progressive but are instead iliberal moral puritans, much like regular moralist conservatives, who seek to use moral authority to enforce their tastes and personal beliefs onto everybody else.
[video=youtube;LvvQJ_zsL1U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvvQJ_zsL1U[/video]
Here's another related video:
[video=youtube;BMlLq6amdf0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMlLq6amdf0&list=WL&index=123[/video]
[QUOTE=Xonax;49342315]If you read the entire thread, that is what Killuah was going about, my memory is hazy so forgive me if I am wrong.
If I am correct, Killuah acts Progressive towards Sexualization of Women, but in fact acts the complete opposite, going to the point of going through posters accounts (mine for example, the Senran Kagura one as seen in Zylers post) and using avatars as "proof/evidence" (or how we are blinded because of the stuff we buy/like).
There are tons of people who act to be Progressive towards Sexualization of Women, but in fact are the complete opposite and pretty much hate anything that shows a Woman's skin.
The only time they are actually are happy towards a sexualized Woman, is when it's created by a female. And in some cases, this ranges from the character artist, to story writer, to creator of the game entirely.[/QUOTE]
But that's not a progressive aversion to the sexualization of women because that implies that there is something inherently progressive about said aversion. You might as well say that you don't understand this conservative aversion of x, or this gamer aversion of x.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49342350]But that's not a progressive aversion to the sexualization of women because that implies that there is something inherently progressive about said aversion. You might as well say that you don't understand this conservative aversion of x, or this gamer aversion of x.[/QUOTE]
Everyone with a political opinion thinks that what they believe is good and therefore socially progressive, does that mean that everyone who holds a political opinion is progressive? Is 'progressive' an actual set of fixed beliefs or is it simply a vague allusion to some kind of self-perceived progress?
[QUOTE=Zyler;49342331]People who act like this are called "The Regressive Left" for the exact reason that they claim to be progressive but are instead iliberal moral puritans, much like regular moralist conservatives, who seek to use moral authority to enforce their tastes and personal beliefs onto everybody else.[/QUOTE]
To further prove my point we now call them the "regressive left" I guess.
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zyler;49342358]Everyone with a political opinion thinks that what they believe is good and therefore socially progressive, does that mean that everyone who holds a political opinion is progressive?[/QUOTE]
Theres the word progressive then the political ideology of progressivism. Two very different things. No one would call Jeb Bush or Donald Trump a progressive and they would be insulted if you did.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49342361]To further prove my point we now call them the "regressive left" I guess.[/QUOTE]
Yea, because their version of 'progressive' is not the same as our version of 'progressive'. It doesn't mean that they don't consider themselves to be progressive and that they therefore hold (in their view) progressive beliefs.
I'll be honest, I don't completely understand "progressive adversion to the sexualization of women"
Doesn't it mean "Progressive Decline to the Sexualization of Women"?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49342361]To further prove my point we now call them the "regressive left" I guess.
[editline]18th December 2015[/editline]
Theres the word progressive then the political ideology of progressivism. Two very different things. No one would call Jeb Bush or Donald Trump a progressive and they would be insulted if you did.[/QUOTE]
In the same way, there's an association between what posters like Killuah argue and the 'progressive' political label. I wouldn't call his beliefs conservative, for example.
Progressive Dislike? I dunno, even tho I was born with English as my first language, I have trouble understanding a ton of words.
[QUOTE=Xonax;49342374]I'll be honest, I don't completely understand "progressive adversion to the sexualization of women"
Doesn't it mean "Progressive Decline to the Sexualization of Women"?[/QUOTE]
It means someone (who considers themselves 'Progressive') believes that removing sexualization of women is a progressive goal.
'progressive' the word isn't the same as 'Progressive' the political stance.
[QUOTE=Zyler;49342376]In the same way, there's an association between what posters like Killuah argue and the 'progressive' political label. I wouldn't call his beliefs conservative, for example.[/QUOTE]
Again though there is nothing inherently progressive about not liking sexy depictions of women in video games. Killuah just happens to (allegedly, I don't even know him) have progressive leanings when it comes to things that actually matter outside the banality of video games.
[QUOTE=Zyler;49342378]It means someone (who considers themselves 'Progressive') believes that removing sexualization of women is a progressive goal.
'progressive' the word isn't the same as 'Progressive' the political stance.[/QUOTE]
Ah okay, so it did kinda mean what I thought.
Thanks.
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