Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 not to be released in west, concerned about sparking a "women in gaming" back - Polidicks

Play asia just surpassed 10k followers on twitter since dissing regressive left/sjw

[QUOTE=Xonax;49183078]Care to explain his post history? [editline]25th November 2015[/editline] I don't see anything relating to his Fur Boob stuff in his posts.[/QUOTE] Games/Media showing skin and anything remotely sexualized/sexual are tools of the patriarchy; demeaning to women and reinforcement of the _____ (insert negative thing here) "" fur is hot and sexy and yum yum despite being essentially the same thing with the same thematic analogy.

i don't know if it's better or worse that this controversy is over what will most likely complete trash anyway it's hatred all over again

[I]Yay, Neo-Feminism! [/I] [editline]25th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Xonax;49183002]Seriously? Using his avatar to fight back?[/QUOTE] You fail to forget that there are people on this site that are literally that shallow.

My biggest issue with this is that it leads to the trend of Japan once again not bringing over niche titles. We've been lucky for the past decade or so, but if this is any indication then it might swing back the other way. Also I made a post over at Giant Bomb that I figure is relevant enough to put up here as well. I find the argument of "You can just import it" to be sorta flimsy. Yes, I can get a game I want that might not be translated properly or translated at all, but I get to play it. On the flip side, why should I have to deal with imports which can take weeks at times or having to translate my way through a game when I could just buy it and download it on a dime without having to worry about whether or not I can read the text? It's a matter of convenience and for a lot of people, even people who might be interested in getting the game, it's just not worth it a lot of the time. This isn't so much about DOAX3 in specific (it seems pretty par for the course in that it will probably play like garbage but have some of the craziest breast physics you've ever seen in a game) but rather the line of thinking that gaming shouldn't be a global market all the time just because imports exist.

[QUOTE=Wii60;49182687]meanwhile at neogaf[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;0znNiN0lYAQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0znNiN0lYAQ[/video]

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While I don't care about the game itself, the idea is really worrying. The west has such a strong SJW force that they do indirectly affect game development and releasing. Censorship of art in the name of progress isn't progress at all. Before someone says it was purely devs' decision. Yeah it was, but their decision was heavily influenced by external forces that caused this decision in the first place. Don't forget that most SJWs are young adults which means a few of them will go into politics which in the future does have a risk of raining PC hell. As if PC wasn't out of control already, it will get worse.

So you can't slut shame, but you can't do this either. So what's their goal exactly? While I don't care about the series itself, shit like this a harbinger of worse things to come.

[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;49183954]So you can't slut shame, but you can't do this either. So what's their goal exactly? While I don't care about the series itself, shit like this a harbinger or worse things to come.[/QUOTE] There are two types of people that march in slutwalks. People that believe that the female body shouldn't be something we shame and degrade and people that want women to never be sexualized. There is also the people that believe that the sexualization of the female body somehow degrades it. Don't understand that either.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;49181796]I personally don't care if the game comes out or not but I kind of raise my eyebrow over how people constantly talk about how devs should be able to do what they want, but the moment it's a choice like this, people lose their shit regardless - Surely you should respect their choice, whether or not you agree with it?[/QUOTE] I think it indicates a shifting attitude in the industry. We might see cut foreign content or a lack of foreign releases in the future for other franchises. People used to shrug it off and didn't unironically conspire that creators hated women. It disappointing that the industry has to feign a clean image when no one has the same issue with foreign comics, tv shows, and movies.

[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;49183954]So you can't slut shame, but you can't do this either. [B]So what's their goal exactly?[/B] While I don't care about the series itself, shit like this a harbinger of worse things to come.[/QUOTE] Remember back in the day when the government and concerned adults were trying their gosh darn hardest to censor video-games because "think of the children" and "it will corrupt them?" [url=http://i.imgur.com/C6Llkns.jpg]Exact same concept.[/url] The words have changed but the intent is the same.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;49184301]I think it indicates a shifting attitude in the industry. We might see cut foreign content or a lack of foreign releases in the future for other franchises. People used to shrug it off and didn't unironically conspire that creators hated women. It disappointing that the industry has to feign a clean image when no one has the same issue with foreign comics, tv shows, and movies.[/QUOTE] There's already a really fucking worrying trend of english localization teams censoring japanese games by rewriting quests or changing character's costumes. Maybe it doesn't seem like too big of a deal, but I think that it's considered acceptable in the first place to change someone else's work to suit your own personal sense of morality is extremely disconcerting.

I understand this attitude of fear of censorship - but these games are firstly products, then works of art even if you could call these games that. It's a business decision in the end to not release a game in the US, or to lengthen the skirt of a character, or change context of a quest. It's not censorship in the same vein of governments forcing artists to comply with their values, this is just marketing and business. Look to cases like Papers, Please on iOS that is an [I]actual[/I] case where censorship was required in order for the game to make it onto that platform. This is nothing but the creator's considering people who have voiced their opinions and are reacting to it, it isn't censorship.

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49184790]I understand this attitude of fear of censorship - but these games are firstly products, then works of art even if you could call these games that. It's a business decision in the end to not release a game in the US, or to lengthen the skirt of a character, or change context of a quest. It's not censorship in the same vein of governments forcing artists to comply with their values, this is just marketing and business. Look to cases like Papers, Please on iOS that is an [I]actual[/I] case where censorship was required in order for the game to make it onto that platform. This is nothing but the creator's considering people who have voiced their opinions and are reacting to it, it isn't censorship.[/QUOTE] Xenoblade Chronicles and Bravely Second are hardly softcore porn kusoge games, but they still get fucked around by localization teams who find their scripts and designs immoral. If this was just changing the ages of the characters in Senran Kagura for legal purposes, I wouldn't be worried. But when they start changing things as big as Xenoblade Chronicles or Fire Emblem, that's when warning lights start going off. And no, it isn't a matter of business. It's a matter of public record that these changes are made according to the whims of the localization team and not to suit whatever they believe is the target market. You're making a completely unfounded assumption that all available evidence directly contradicts. It's the modern equivalent of editing kissing out of movies.

I don't know how you can't see how this isn't a business decision dude. They're chosing to not release it here because it's clearly a headache and a half to release a game full of mostly nude women play beach sports and they think the money is not worth the trouble. If they're literally being talked down from releasing a game in the US I'm sure they probably don't see these games as making gangbusters. It's still not censorship even if they change these things. The "original creator" of the games are a group of 50+ individuals most likely who are controlled by the hegemony of a business. You can't take artistic concepts of censorship and free-speech and apply it to things like this.

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49184835]It's still not censorship even if they change these things. The "original creator" of the games are a group of 50+ individuals most likely who are controlled by the hegemony of a business. You can't take artistic concepts of censorship and free-speech and apply it to things like this.[/QUOTE] So we have established that the developers are controlled by the business side of things, and that business decided not to release the game for fear of back lash. But you're seriously trying to say that isn't censorship? It's called self censorship, when an artist or person makes a change due to pressure or out of fear.

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49184835]I don't know how you can't see how this isn't a business decision dude. They're chosing to not release it here because it's clearly a headache and a half to release a game full of mostly nude women play beach sports and they think the money is not worth the trouble. If they're literally being talked down from releasing a game in the US I'm sure they probably don't see these games as making gangbusters. It's still not censorship even if they change these things. The "original creator" of the games are a group of 50+ individuals most likely who are controlled by the hegemony of a business. You can't take artistic concepts of censorship and free-speech and apply it to things like this.[/QUOTE] So removing content on the basis of morality isn't censorship because games are made by large teams of people? That's a complete load of fucking horseshit. By that logic you can't censor movies, or plays, or comic books. Hell, even books have editors. I guess free speech and censorship don't apply to them either. How small and personal does something have to be before censoring it actually counts as censorship in your world?

[QUOTE=mooman1080;49184859]So we have established that the developers are controlled by the business side of things, and that business decided not to release the game for fear of back lash. But you're seriously trying to say that isn't censorship? It's called self censorship, when an artist or person makes a change due to pressure or out of fear.[/QUOTE] There's nothing here being changed, or censored. It's literally just not being offered to you. It isn't censorship. If they brought it over and replaced all the girls with robots or photoshoots with Winter-fashion dress up sequences then it would be censorship. However their, the ~*~artists~*~, decision is to not censor themselves and to just not bother with a country who seemingly doesn't appreciate their work. There's no winning this battle at this point for you guys, but if you really cared and supported their message/work/decisions in the past then continue to do so even if you don't like it otherwise you're upset they're taking a political stance you don't agree with. [editline]25th November 2015[/editline] [I]The infringed artistry of Dead Or Alive: Xtreme 3!!![/I]

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49184894]There's nothing here being changed, or censored. It's literally just not being offered to you. It isn't censorship. [/QUOTE] Burning books isn't censorship because it doesn't change the content of the book. But hey thanks for pulling the whole "lol who cares" bit in your post. Gives you some real credibility.

[QUOTE=mooman1080;49184918]Burning books isn't censorship because it doesn't change the content of the book. But hey thanks for pulling the whole "lol who cares" bit in your post. Gives you some real credibility.[/QUOTE] No one is burning copies of Xtreme 3, they're not even being sold. This isn't censorship at all.

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49184922]No one is burning copies of Xtreme 3, they're not even being sold. This isn't censorship at all.[/QUOTE] A publisher is refusing to release a game in market they know has an audience out of fear. That is censorship brought about by bullying and harassment.

Start a productive campaign like they did with Xenosaga if you really care about this. It's just the politics of localization and it has been this way in the past before.

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49184928]Start a productive campaign like they did with Xenosaga if you really care about this. It's just the politics of localization and it has been this way in the past before.[/QUOTE] Stop being so childish with the whole ~~~artists~~~ and do this if you [i]really[/i] care.

[QUOTE=mooman1080;49184925] That is censorship brought about by bullying and harassment.[/QUOTE] Apparently you guys really just do not matter that much to them. This should be plainly clear that if their fans really made releasing these games worth it, and you guys paid money for them and supported Tecmo they would likely release it regardless - but if everyone besides you guys don't seem to care or actively dislike the game then why should they? This says to me that you're another marginalized fan-group that cannot offer enough support for the things you like and so you won't have them anymore. I'm sure DOA will still come out, Tecmo will release games with girls who hardly wear anything in the future. [editline]25th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=mooman1080;49184942]Stop being so childish with the whole ~~~artists~~~ and do this if you [i]really[/i] care.[/QUOTE] I don't think you have a point with calling this censorship and am suggesting you look to methods deployed by other groups in similar situations in the past. That is not childish. I did mock you guys for suggesting is Tecmo a group of artists with their own unique self identity as hardly anything in games is really that intimate with the big companies and there's no benefit to being condescending. I'm trying to not do that so much, so sorry about that.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49184809]But when they start changing things as big as Xenoblade Chronicles or Fire Emblem, that's when warning lights start going off. [/QUOTE] Not really considering Nintendo of America actually had censorship as their policy during the 80's and 90's The NES version of Maniac Mansion was heavily censored because of NoA for example: [url]http://www.crockford.com/wrrrld/maniac.html[/url] I guess what I'm trying to say is while not great censorship isn't exactly a new policy when it comes to NoA.

"I support bullying creators to the point they don't want to release their works anymore." That's what you're saying Take_Opal [editline].[/editline] That is what is going on, and that is what you're defending

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;49184990]"I support bullying creators to the point they don't want to release their works anymore." That's what you're saying Take_Opal[/QUOTE] It's their decision to give in. You validate the "bullies" by giving them what they want. Other companies are releasing lewd games without issues like this. I don't think the vocal minority should rule over any larger, more quiet group, but I just doubt that is entirely the situation here. I don't think a bunch of entitled SJWs should be the ones to point to here either. I really think Tecmo are just making a decision they have weighed and determined on their own and they're being treated as martyrs here.

[QUOTE=Zanfall;49184971]Not really considering Nintendo of America actually had censorship as their policy during the 80's and 90's The NES version of Maniac Mansion was heavily censored because of NoA for example: [url]http://www.crockford.com/wrrrld/maniac.html[/url] I guess what I'm trying to say is while not great censorship isn't exactly a new policy when it comes to NoA.[/QUOTE]Note that you had to go back to the NES for that. Like you said yourself, during the eighties and nineties. They had that business practice when moral guardians were in a fervor about "murder simulators" corrupting the fabric of society, and adopted those policies to cope with that. When that witch hunt died down they stopped making those changes as well; leaving most of the stuff on the Gamecube and Wii largely unaltered. Seeing them start it up again is worrying precisely because they've done it before. They apparently believe that we are now in a comparable enough situation to the Jack Thompson era to dust off the censor stick they used to cover their own asses way back when and put it back into use.

I'm not even sure about this, but was there any noise about this game before this news? I haven't heard anyone talk much about the game at all, and I definitely haven't seen any Kotaku/Polygon slam-pieces about the game or it's characters (who wants to write another article about DOA/Tecmo games and boobs. Just copy/paste the last one from a few years ago). I don't think there was really all that much pressure here on them, but I could be wrong.