Sweden Democrats Politician 'waves gun' at meeting

[GiGaBiTe]

[QUOTE=Sonador;52009142]Just a reminder, the thread topic is about a Swedish politician (?) waving a gun around at a meeting like a loon, not national gun laws.[/QUOTE]

In today's sensationalist media and public witch hunts, "waving a gun" can be as simple as someone showing he has a gun and putting it down, in which case everyone goes apeshit and the media spins it like the guy is a lunatic for even owning one.

Unless there's some footage of the guy waving the gun around in an unsafe manner then the report should be treated with a titanic size grain of salt.

[QUOTE=Sonador;52009142]and make no sense when applied eslewhere.[/QUOTE]

The safety aspect should be applied everywhere gun ownership is allowed, which is why I wrote about it.

[Sonador]

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;52009324]The safety aspect should be applied everywhere gun ownership is allowed, which is why I wrote about it.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, and in every developed country I know, the laws work that way.

I'm specifically shouting down the people in here shitposting about how one nation's gun laws are "better" than the others.

[Tinter]

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;52009324]In today's sensationalist media and public witch hunts, "waving a gun" can be as simple as someone showing he has a gun and putting it down, in which case everyone goes apeshit and the media spins it like the guy is a lunatic for even owning one.

Unless there's some footage of the guy waving the gun around in an unsafe manner then the report should be treated with a titanic size grain of salt.

The safety aspect should be applied everywhere gun ownership is allowed, which is why I wrote about it.[/QUOTE]

The thing about waving a gun though is that it really doesn't matter, in Denmark, and I assume it's similar in Sweden, there are strict rules on when you're allowed to have your gun out of safe storage. The permit to transport says between places of use or safe storage and nothing more. This means that you could potentially breaking by law stopping in the supermarket after a trip to the range, as leaving your gun unattended in your car is not allowed. Not because they think it'll shoot anyone, but the idea of a criminal stealing a legal gun is kind of a big deal. We don't have a lot of guns, so the relative few guns need to be closely monitored.

So this guy taking his legally owned, I assume at least, pistol to the private meeting doesn't really hold water. He wasn't gonna use it there, he wasn't gonna store it in a locker there. He really had no reason, as far as Scandinavian law is concerned, to have it there.

[LRJ]

Consider the following;

Newspapers attempt to get a scoop as fast as they're able to and will jump at the chance to in any way smear a person that belongs to a political party that's widely known to be seen as nazis by all mainstream media. If a newspaper gets a tip from someone that seems like a valid representative they will go by this story. If the story isn't correct they do not care and have no responsibility afterwards and by then the damage is done.

What isn't said here is that the person telling the newspaper about this in the first place has no mandate in talking about members in any way and has also blackmailed and threatened to get the politician kicked out of the party should he not leave his current political positions and leave the party, also threatening to release this to the media and filing a police report even though there's nothing unlawful in the actions.

Swedish gun laws mandate that weapons, while transporting them, are to be disassembled and kept in such a manner that there's no way for anyone to be able to steal a complete firearm should something happen, and it also mandates that the firearm should be kept under supervision the entire time that it's being transported. Both of these were followed during the meeting and after the meeting one of the 3 attendees expressed an interest in seeing the firearm due to wanting to get into the hobby.

What isn't mentioned in this is that the politician has had a person attempting to take his positions in the municipality and that this person has called just about everyone possible in the southern part of Sweden to find out ways to get him kicked out of the party or to force him off the positions that he's been elected to, this same person was given a warning saying it's incredibly inappropriate behaviour from the same person that then dropped this to the newspaper, still a person without mandate to talk about these things.

What's very important to note in this is that the mail to the politician in which he was threatened and blackmailed also said that he was not allowed to attend any political meetings with the party, right before the annual meeting for the local party board. Since this isn't the right channel and the person sending the mail has no authority in the matter the politician contacted the party's national board secretary to ask what this was all about and was informed that there was no case against him. This new campaign against him is right before their district board meeting which will be held tomorrow, despite all of these things taking place last autumn.

Make of this what you want, but if you want to start talking about illegalities and how idiotic actions are you'd do well to figure out what's been going on behind the scenes before you pass judgement.

[fnox]

[QUOTE=LRJ;52010228]Consider the following;

Newspapers attempt to get a scoop as fast as they're able to and will jump at the chance to in any way smear a person that belongs to a political party that's widely known to be seen as nazis by all mainstream media. If a newspaper gets a tip from someone that seems like a valid representative they will go by this story. If the story isn't correct they do not care and have no responsibility afterwards and by then the damage is done.

What isn't said here is that the person telling the newspaper about this in the first place has no mandate in talking about members in any way and has also blackmailed and threatened to get the politician kicked out of the party should he not leave his current political positions and leave the party, also threatening to release this to the media and filing a police report even though there's nothing unlawful in the actions.

Swedish gun laws mandate that weapons, while transporting them, are to be disassembled and kept in such a manner that there's no way for anyone to be able to steal a complete firearm should something happen, and it also mandates that the firearm should be kept under supervision the entire time that it's being transported. Both of these were followed during the meeting and after the meeting one of the 3 attendees expressed an interest in seeing the firearm due to wanting to get into the hobby.

What isn't mentioned in this is that the politician has had a person attempting to take his positions in the municipality and that this person has called just about everyone possible in the southern part of Sweden to find out ways to get him kicked out of the party or to force him off the positions that he's been elected to, this same person was given a warning saying it's incredibly inappropriate behaviour from the same person that then dropped this to the newspaper, still a person without mandate to talk about these things.

What's very important to note in this is that the mail to the politician in which he was threatened and blackmailed also said that he was not allowed to attend any political meetings with the party, right before the annual meeting for the local party board. Since this isn't the right channel and the person sending the mail has no authority in the matter the politician contacted the party's national board secretary to ask what this was all about and was informed that there was no case against him. This new campaign against him is right before their district board meeting which will be held tomorrow, despite all of these things taking place last autumn.

Make of this what you want, but if you want to start talking about illegalities and how idiotic actions are you'd do well to figure out what's been going on behind the scenes before you pass judgement.[/QUOTE]

And of course we're meant to take the word of a random person who created an account JUST to post this.

[LRJ]

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52010312]And of course we're meant to take the word of a random person who created an account JUST to post this.[/QUOTE]

It's either that or take the word of a newspaper in a country where it's proven that there's a bias in mainstream media against the party in question and where any news will be published without fact-checking them, thus making it more than possible to use it as a tool to publicly hang someone and then going "oops guess we were wrong, soz" afterwards instead of owning up to the fact they were wrong.

[Tinter]

[QUOTE=LRJ;52010228]Consider the following;

Newspapers attempt to get a scoop as fast as they're able to and will jump at the chance to in any way smear a person that belongs to a political party that's widely known to be seen as nazis by all mainstream media. If a newspaper gets a tip from someone that seems like a valid representative they will go by this story. If the story isn't correct they do not care and have no responsibility afterwards and by then the damage is done.

What isn't said here is that the person telling the newspaper about this in the first place has no mandate in talking about members in any way and has also blackmailed and threatened to get the politician kicked out of the party should he not leave his current political positions and leave the party, also threatening to release this to the media and filing a police report even though there's nothing unlawful in the actions.

Swedish gun laws mandate that weapons, while transporting them, are to be disassembled and kept in such a manner that there's no way for anyone to be able to steal a complete firearm should something happen, and it also mandates that the firearm should be kept under supervision the entire time that it's being transported. Both of these were followed during the meeting and after the meeting one of the 3 attendees expressed an interest in seeing the firearm due to wanting to get into the hobby.

What isn't mentioned in this is that the politician has had a person attempting to take his positions in the municipality and that this person has called just about everyone possible in the southern part of Sweden to find out ways to get him kicked out of the party or to force him off the positions that he's been elected to, this same person was given a warning saying it's incredibly inappropriate behaviour from the same person that then dropped this to the newspaper, still a person without mandate to talk about these things.

What's very important to note in this is that the mail to the politician in which he was threatened and blackmailed also said that he was not allowed to attend any political meetings with the party, right before the annual meeting for the local party board. Since this isn't the right channel and the person sending the mail has no authority in the matter the politician contacted the party's national board secretary to ask what this was all about and was informed that there was no case against him. This new campaign against him is right before their district board meeting which will be held tomorrow, despite all of these things taking place last autumn.

Make of this what you want, but if you want to start talking about illegalities and how idiotic actions are you'd do well to figure out what's been going on behind the scenes before you pass judgement.[/QUOTE]

Interesting perspective, but taking the word of a random user who just signed up is no better than taking the word of an article that is scarce on details.

[fnox]

[QUOTE=LRJ;52010326]It's either that or take the word of a newspaper in a country where it's proven that there's a bias in mainstream media against the party in question and where any news will be published without fact-checking them, thus making it more than possible to use it as a tool to publicly hang someone and then going "oops guess we were wrong, soz" afterwards instead of owning up to the fact they were wrong.[/QUOTE]

I think I'll stick to the newspaper. I'm not too keen on believing anecdotes from a random account created today.

There is no media bias against the party, SD is a far-right, anti-immigration, nationalist party, that's fact, and a fair amount of people don't want them to seize power.