Apple no longer calls iOS6 Maps ‘the most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ezhik;37853352]My only problem is that they're pretty much using consumers to beta test.[/QUOTE] Not to mention risking their lives.

if you follow an instruction to jump off a bridge, i doubt google maps will help you that much.

[QUOTE=The golden;37851485][URL]http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/[/URL] Make sure you read the descriptions under the pictures.[/QUOTE] Okay, I figured the maps were pretty bad with loads of mistakes and I didn't check until now, but wow. I mean, holy shit how do you fuck up that bad. My favorite is "Turn right on the train tracks"

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37853309]Pretty much. Redoing maps and doing it all themselves was the only way to move forward. Currently it's shit, yeah, but eventually it will be really good. It's getting better on an almost daily basis. Until then I look forward to the next 5,326 threads about the Maps app.[/QUOTE] Then if their software is so broken and unusable why not make it a beta test program and still allow people to use the reliable previous app ?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;37854838]Then if their software is so broken and unusable why not make it a beta test program and still allow people to use the reliable previous app ?[/QUOTE] because they won't use the beta

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;37854838]Then if their software is so broken and unusable why not make it a beta test program and still allow people to use the reliable previous app ?[/QUOTE] For what I primarily use the Maps app so far which is navigation I haven't experienced any problems so far and for that purpose I actually prefer it over the previous version of the software and even Android's own default Navigation app. But clearly this success story hasn't been the case for a lot of people and I totally agree that Apple should have left the old version of the Maps app as an option for iOS users. I just wanted to point out that the new Maps app isn't as bad as some tech blogs make it seem.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;37854838]Then if their software is so broken and unusable why not make it a beta test program and still allow people to use the reliable previous app ?[/QUOTE] The software is fine. Server-side is where all the issues exist, which is why they can easily fix something without consistent app updates. It'd also be a bit silly to have two maps apps, not to mention it'd slow down progress a lot because not everyone is going to use the beta app when there's the old reliable one. Releasing it as a public beta (which it is; they just didn't label it as such for marketing purposes) is probably the only way to properly test a mapping application. A single company in Cupertino can't test mapping and navigation for the whole world. They rely on user feedback and device monitoring. People like to act like Google Maps smoothly rolled out with no issues. But no, Google Maps was at one point pretty bad too, as is any mapping solution in its infancy. The majority of the process is obviously automated; there's bound to be a few fuckups here and there. I say for how young it is, Maps is doing pretty well, and the rate at which it's improving shows good promise for the future. Like I said before, doing their own app was the only way in which Apple could get features like navigation because Google just wouldn't do it, likely because they were wanting to give Android some advantage in mapping. This new Maps app will get good and pretty soon too. However, people need to set realistic standards. There's no such thing as a mapping solution whose first ever iteration is flawless. All this negative press that this Maps app is receiving is rather childish sometimes, but I suppose it makes for good fuel against Apple.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37851266]Give them credit where it's due, they're trying. :v:[/QUOTE] Gonna require some more effort. Though it's the though that counts I guess. At least Google had the decency to label theirs as a public Beta from the get-go. Apple's cockiness got the best of 'en this time.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;37854873]because they won't use the beta[/QUOTE] Then don't put your shitty unfinished non-working online and don't make it a mandatory change for anyone who switches to iOs 6. [editline]30th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37855199]The software is fine. Server-side is where all the issues exist, which is why they can easily fix something without consistent app updates. It'd also be a bit silly to have two maps apps, not to mention it'd slow down progress a lot because not everyone is going to use the beta app when there's the old reliable one. [/quote] In this case don't release the software until it's 100% working and efficient. The current flaws in apple maps go way beyond mere inconveniences, it renders the entire thing useless. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37855199]TReleasing it as a public beta (which it is; they just didn't label it as such for marketing purposes) is probably the only way to properly test a mapping application. A single company in Cupertino can't test mapping and navigation for the whole world. They rely on user feedback and device monitoring.[/quote] Google does beta testing, steam does beta testing, and it works fine because they label it as such and they actually rely on user feedback, not on fooling them by making them believe what they are using is a non-finished product that should have never came out of their office at this state of advancement. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37855199]People like to act like Google Maps smoothly rolled out with no issues. But no, Google Maps was at one point pretty bad too, as is any mapping solution in its infancy. The majority of the process is obviously automated; there's bound to be a few fuckups here and there.[/quote] Google maps wasn't shoved down your throat by being installed on your computer and being the only directly available way to find your way in town. Also it was clearly advertised as a beta function. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37855199]TI say for how young it is, Maps is doing pretty well, and the rate at which it's improving shows good promise for the future.[/quote] I don't think telling you to drive off bridges, boat your car above a river or consider industrial zones parks can be considered "doing pretty well". [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37855199]Like I said before, doing their own app was the only way in which Apple could get features like navigation because Google just wouldn't do it, likely because they were wanting to give Android some advantage in mapping.[/quote] The Maps app in iOs 5 worked fine. I used it all the time and it was perfectly able to tell where I was, where I was going thanks to 3G and how to get in certain places. If implementing a new relatively useless feature is going to compromise the entire software then don't do it and just wait for your product to be functional. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37855199]TThis new Maps app will get good and pretty soon too. However, people need to set realistic standards. There's no such thing as a mapping solution whose first ever iteration is flawless.[/quote] This is why you don't release the first iteration of your mapping program and wait for it to work before releasing it to the public eye, let alone make it the software bundled with your device OS. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37855199]All this negative press that this Maps app is receiving is rather childish sometimes, but I suppose it makes for good fuel against Apple.[/QUOTE] I don't see how exactly it is childish. People are complaining about a non-working app replacing a former, working software, which is perfectly legitimate. Apple's cockiness and their wish to remain the most original or advanced competitor has pushed them to release an unfinished, nonworking, broken product that they had to shove down people's throat to make sure they used it.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37855199]People like to act like Google Maps smoothly rolled out with no issues. But no, Google Maps was at one point pretty bad too, as is any mapping solution in its infancy.[/QUOTE] We had nothing really to compare it to since google was the first one to do it.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;37856023]Then don't put your shitty unfinished non-working online and don't make it a mandatory change for anyone who switches to iOs 6. [editline]30th September 2012[/editline] In this case don't release the software until it's 100% working and efficient. The current flaws in apple maps go way beyond mere inconveniences, it renders the entire thing useless. Google does beta testing, steam does beta testing, and it works fine because they label it as such and they actually rely on user feedback, not on fooling them by making them believe what they are using is a non-finished product that should have never came out of their office at this state of advancement. Google maps wasn't shoved down your throat by being installed on your computer and being the only directly available way to find your way in town. Also it was clearly advertised as a beta function. I don't think telling you to drive off bridges, boat your car above a river or consider industrial zones parks can be considered "doing pretty well". The Maps app in iOs 5 worked fine. I used it all the time and it was perfectly able to tell where I was, where I was going thanks to 3G and how to get in certain places. If implementing a new relatively useless feature is going to compromise the entire software then don't do it and just wait for your product to be functional. This is why you don't release the first iteration of your mapping program and wait for it to work before releasing it to the public eye, let alone make it the software bundled with your device OS. I don't see how exactly it is childish. People are complaining about a non-working app replacing a former, working software, which is perfectly legitimate. Apple's cockiness and their wish to remain the most original or advanced competitor has pushed them to release an unfinished, nonworking, broken product that they had to shove down people's throat to make sure they used it.[/QUOTE] You repeated yoursf various time with the same thing. The only wrong thing they did here is not label it a beta. Otherwise there's no such thing as getting 100% before release with internal testing. It's a world map. Maps on iOS 5 was useless because it didn't have navigation. Everyone was bitching about that and so this was naturally the only way forward. Also nobody's forcing you to use it. Apple themselves gave out recommendations for some free alternatives while the Maps app is getting polished. I'm sorry but your arguments here are extremely invalid and fail to realize that it's a first iteration of a world map and thus couldn't be perfect on release as it depends on public feedback. If you don't want to participate in it, you don't have to; they showed alternatives and you can still use Google Maps on Safari if you want.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]You repeated yoursf various time with the same thing. The only wrong thing they did here is not label it a beta. Otherwise there's no such thing as getting 100% before release with internal testing. It's a world map. Maps on iOS 5 was useless because it didn't have navigation. Everyone was bitching about that and so this was naturally the only way forward. Also nobody's forcing you to use it. Apple themselves gave out recommendations for some free alternatives while the Maps app is getting polished. I'm sorry but your arguments here are extremely invalid and fail to realize that it's a first iteration of a world map and thus couldn't be perfect on release as it depends on public feedback. If you don't want to participate in it, you don't have to; they showed alternatives and you can still use Google Maps on Safari if you want.[/QUOTE] No, the only wrong thing here isn't that they didn't label it a beta, its that they didnt put it through proper testing. Have you seen all the bugs in maps? Towns shifting locations, navigation telling you to drive off bridges, onto railroads, entire cities disappearing into grass, there's so many things wrong with it that it's not even [i]suitable[/i] for a beta release. Just cause they didn't label it a beta doesn't mean "oh everythings dandy its really a beta but not labelled it so you cant speak, its just a beta!"

[QUOTE=t h e;37858383]No, the only wrong thing here isn't that they didn't label it a beta, its that they didnt put it through proper testing. Have you seen all the bugs in maps? Towns shifting locations, navigation telling you to drive off bridges, onto railroads, entire cities disappearing into grass, there's so many things wrong with it that it's not even [i]suitable[/i] for a beta release. Just cause they didn't label it a beta doesn't mean "oh everythings dandy its really a beta but not labelled it so you cant speak, its just a beta!"[/QUOTE] For the millionth time, it's a world map. The only way to test it properly is by releasing it and relying on user feedback and device monitoring. And those, uh, issues you're talking about? Yeah maybe one or two of them made headlines when they were first discovered but they don't happen these days. The rest of them, such at telling you to jump off bridges, don't happen at all. Maps today is quite different from the image it garnered and it's not bad at all these days. You keep repeating the same stupid argument and it isn't helping your case. You can't release a maps app flawless. But of course you don't remember Google's Maps in its infancy when it used to be garbage, and nobody said anything about WP7's navigation which is still absolutely horrendous. But since it's Apple everyone jumps aboard the bandwagon and we end up with circlejerk threads like this where everyone doesn't have the capacity to learn anything positive. Same goes to the idiotic anti-IE crowd that still thinks it sucks in its latest version when it obviously does not. You're simply not educated enough in the matter if you think they can just roll out a world map and not have some first week issues.

[QUOTE=The golden;37851321]Then why did they release software which is so broken[/QUOTE] The software itself isn't exactly broken. Their mapping data and images are hugely fucked up. But if they are fine, I heard the software works fine as well.

My iOs 5 maps app works just fine because I can track down my exact location in real time using 3G. Sure it eats up battery life and you need a 3G connection which you have to pay for, but it's essentially a cheap GPS, what exactly do you expect ?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;37859043]My iOs 5 maps app works just fine because I can track down my exact location in real time using 3G. Sure it eats up battery life and you need a 3G connection which you have to pay for, but it's essentially a cheap GPS, what exactly do you expect ?[/QUOTE] There's no turn-by-turn and it's quite outdated in that respect.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37858662]For the millionth time, it's a world map. The only way to test it properly is by releasing it and relying on user feedback and device monitoring. And those, uh, issues you're talking about? Yeah maybe one or two of them made headlines when they were first discovered but they don't happen these days. The rest of them, such at telling you to jump off bridges, don't happen at all. Maps today is quite different from the image it garnered and it's not bad at all these days. You keep repeating the same stupid argument and it isn't helping your case. You can't release a maps app flawless. But of course you don't remember Google's Maps in its infancy when it used to be garbage, and nobody said anything about WP7's navigation which is still absolutely horrendous. But since it's Apple everyone jumps aboard the bandwagon and we end up with circlejerk threads like this where everyone doesn't have the capacity to learn anything positive. Same goes to the idiotic anti-IE crowd that still thinks it sucks in its latest version when it obviously does not. You're simply not educated enough in the matter if you think they can just roll out a world map and not have some first week issues.[/QUOTE] Y'know, they fucked up badly, and with their reputation of being "perfect" and selling said thing just emphasizes it. So you may quit [I]whiteknighting[/I] them now because [B]THIS TIME[/B] there's [B]PLENTY[/B] of evidence. This is a cock-up of dimensions, and Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave faster than particles in the Large Hadron Collider. Some People have theorized that Apple won't last long without Steve Job's stringent quality mindset, and this could very well be the first nail in the coffin. After all, he's the reason behind the success, without him they're in [I]SERIOUS[/I] trouble.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37859129]Y'know, they fucked up badly, and with their reputation of being "perfect" and selling said thing just emphasizes it. So you may quit [I]whiteknighting[/I] them now because [B]THIS TIME[/B] there's [B]PLENTY[/B] of evidence. This is a cock-up of dimensions, and Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave faster than particles in the Large Hadron Collider. Some People have theorized that Apple won't last long without Steve Job's stringent quality mindset, and this could very well be the first nail in the coffin. After all, he's the reason behind the success, without him they're in [I]SERIOUS[/I] trouble.[/QUOTE] Look how happy you are that their Maps app was garbage for a week or so. Like I said, it's pretty damn good now. Most of the people in this thread with expert opinions never even touched the new Maps app, so I wouldn't take anything said here with a grain of salt. Also, I love how you hop on the "Apple is dying" thing right away because, oh no, they fucked up a maps app. Under Jobs they also fucked up many things: Ping, iOS4 on iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 in general (Antennagate), etc. This is hardly a big issue especially since it can be (and has been for the most part) fixed, unlike the antenna issue with the iPhone 4. I know that you're an Android guy and I respect you for that, but please try to not hold a biased mindset about this. You should know very well that a project as big as a world-wide maps release can't possibly be released flawless.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]Tons of text from Apple's white-knight SA Spyder[/quote] Oh dear. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]You repeated yoursf various time with the same thing.[/quote] That's because the issue is REALLY simple and there isn't much to talk about. You're the one trying to find far-fetched reason to diminish apple's fault. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]The only wrong thing they did here is not label it a beta.[/quote] That and not testing it enough. Oh and forcing people to use it which you should never do with a beta. Also lying about a software's current state of development is already kind of a dickish thing to do considering people are trusting you when buying your product and expecting it to be full and finished. If you're not done with it then mention it's in development. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]Otherwise there's no such thing as getting 100% before release with internal testing.[/quote] Depends on the software. I guess you can say that a maps software can't be fully finished before release but then why release it so soon ? There's a certain point where you can consider your product ready to use and Apple Maps has obviously not reached it. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]It's a world map.[/quote] Google Earth is a world map. Apple Maps is a bunch of localized maps that cover the entire inhabited earth. Plus the goal of this app is to help people navigate through some places, which requires absolute accuracy. You can't tell them to make a bad turn which would waste them a lot of gas or time, and in this case, you can't tell them to drive across a river or off a bridge. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]Maps on iOS 5 was useless because it didn't have navigation.[/quote] Well um as I said earlier I was totally able to use Maps directly and anywhere. The step-by-step moving thing wasn't the most ergonomic thing in the world but honestly I never used it and just walked along the blue line that was drawn on the map. A line that did not ask me to walk through an industrial zone telling me it's a park. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]Everyone was bitching about that and so this was naturally the only way forward.[/quote] They could have waited for a bit longer and made sure their step forward wasn't going to be right on a rusty nail. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]Also nobody's forcing you to use it. Apple themselves gave out recommendations for some free alternatives while the Maps app is getting polished.[/quote] Oh man that argument. Yeah I'm not forced to use it except if I want to upgrade my device to iOs 6 in which case I'd lose my currently perfectly working maps app which works great and which I am used to, and I would have to use other map apps which are either charged or not necessarily as reliable as the former one. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]I'm sorry but your arguments here are extremely invalid and fail to realize that it's a first iteration of a world map and thus couldn't be perfect on release as it depends on public feedback.[/quote] Oh I perfectly realize that it's a first iteration. And my argument is that a first iteration (aka a non working one) should not be put to public on an update that is mandatory to make if you want to keep your device up to date. [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]If you don't want to participate in it, you don't have to;[/QUOTE] Then why uninstall the previous version and put this broken piece of junk instead ? [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37857187]they showed alternatives and you can still use Google Maps on Safari if you want.[/QUOTE] Already answered to that a few lines up. [editline]30th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;37858662]Big bunch of text about how we're all circle-jerkers and how we aren't educated enough to comprehend that we're wrong and Whiteknight here is right and how Apple has all the right to make a forced open beta-test of a shitty product because bleh they can or something[/QUOTE] I'm not even going to bother.

Like I said Works fine for me, perfectly usable where I live, I've preferred it to google maps

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;37855168]For what I primarily use the Maps app so far which is navigation I haven't experienced any problems so far and for that purpose I actually prefer it over the previous version of the software and even Android's own default Navigation app. But clearly this success story hasn't been the case for a lot of people and I totally agree that Apple should have left the old version of the Maps app as an option for iOS users. I just wanted to point out that the new Maps app isn't as bad as some tech blogs make it seem.[/QUOTE] you use public transit? no try it with applemaps.6 oh wait

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;37859238]Oh dear.[/quote] Gee, that's a mature way to start the rebuttals. [QUOTE]That's because the issue is REALLY simple and there isn't much to talk about. You're the one trying to find far-fetched reason to diminish apple's fault.[/QUOTE] Not really. I'm giving perfectly reasonable arguments and you're just repeating yourself. I've heard your argument a few times now and it's getting a little annoying. [QUOTE]That and not testing it enough. Oh and forcing people to use it which you should never do with a beta. Also lying about a software's current state of development is already kind of a dickish thing to do considering people are trusting you when buying your product and expecting it to be full and finished. If you're not done with it then mention it's in development.[/QUOTE] You can't test the whole world's maps with one company. Like I said before many times (and as you have conveniently ignored it) Apple's Maps relies on public response for QA. The software is as good as they could have gotten it, but the map data itself and the wrongful navigation is all server-side and fixed only, and frankly, by bug reports and monitoring. They can't fix this stuff pre-release. I'm going to bold it so that you don't conveniently forget it: [b]they can't fix this stuff pre-release. It depends on user feedback.[/b] [QUOTE]Depends on the software. I guess you can say that a maps software can't be fully finished before release but then why release it so soon ? There's a certain point where you can consider your product ready to use and Apple Maps has obviously not reached it.[/QUOTE] The client software is perfectly fine. It's server-side where the issues begin. [QUOTE]Google Earth is a world map. Apple Maps is a bunch of localized maps that cover the entire inhabited earth. Plus the goal of this app is to help people navigate through some places, which requires absolute accuracy. You can't tell them to make a bad turn which would waste them a lot of gas or time, and in this case, you can't tell them to drive across a river or off a bridge.[/QUOTE] Maps never tells you to jump across a river, drive off a bridge, or go on railroad tracks. The only good point you had was making a bad turn. But if you'd have only put that down, your argument would have looked a lot weaker. This theme is repeated a lot throughout your arguments as you exaggerate things to attempt to strengthen your point of view. I agree that it gives bad turn instructions sometimes, but that's something that will be fixed really soon. It's not doomed to fail forever, and it's already getting significantly better on a daily basis. For some reason I doubt you yourself had any issues; I think you're forming your opinion on the behalf of negative press but please correct me if I'm wrong. [QUOTE]Well um as I said earlier I was totally able to use Maps directly and anywhere. The step-by-step moving thing wasn't the most ergonomic thing in the world but honestly I never used it and just walked along the blue line that was drawn on the map. A line that did not ask me to walk through an industrial zone telling me it's a park.[/QUOTE] You couldn't really use it whilst driving though, which was the biggest complaint among Maps users prior to iOS6. [QUOTE]They could have waited for a bit longer and made sure their step forward wasn't going to be right on a rusty nail.[/QUOTE] Nope, the most they could do is make sure it's smooth in Cupertino at the most. Not every city in the world. Not from a single company. [QUOTE]Oh man that argument. Yeah I'm not forced to use it except if I want to upgrade my device to iOs 6 in which case I'd lose my currently perfectly working maps app which works great and which I am used to, and I would have to use other map apps which are either charged or not necessarily as reliable as the former one.[/QUOTE] It's a good argument. Therefore, let's bash it and think of a way in which it fails when it very clearly does not. You didn't lose anything; you can still use Google Maps from Safari. Otherwise, you knew what you were getting into updating to iOS6 so don't pretend to have been betrayed by chance. [QUOTE]Oh I perfectly realize that it's a first iteration. And my argument is that a first iteration (aka a non working one) should not be put to public on an update that is mandatory to make if you want to keep your device up to date.[/QUOTE] Third time in your post that you make this point, and third time I'll disqualify it from being a valid one: you can't internally test maps data for every city in the world, let alone your state. That requires a public release. That's what they did. [QUOTE]Then why uninstall the previous version and put this broken piece of junk instead ?[/QUOTE] It'd be awkward to have two maps app, I suppose. That, and most people wouldn't use the beta one because..well it's a beta. Thus that would slow down improvement with the new mapping initiative. [quote]I'm not even going to bother.[/QUOTE] I was wondering when you were going to get tired of repeating your stance over and over again despite its deep flaws. Unless you bring up any good points, I'm not going to keep wasting 10 minutes at a time formulating something. You don't like the Maps app, that's perfectly fine. You're allowed to have an opinion.

Hmm let's take a day trip to this city [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mauaut5wAz1rhptwbo1_1280.png[/img] apple maps doesn't tell you to take the train tracks? [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maud2l9Feb1rhptwbo1_1280.png[/img] [editline]30th September 2012[/editline] i'm still trying to make sense of this one but its like the sat imagery A. is copied, and B. isn't overlaid on the right place [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mauf7af3qf1rhptwbo1_1280.png[/img] that enough to show that apple maps is a unfinished piece of crap and apple needs to dogfood better?

I remember these images, and they're from over a week ago. I just tried looking up Cairns and it showed the right spot on the map. Like I said, people here are making their opinions based on old news. At the same time, there are still issues, yeah. But they're getting fixed. If Apple didn't give a shit about them, then I'd be worried. But they clearly do.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37859471]Unless you bring up any good points, I'm not going to keep wasting 10 minutes at a time formulating something. You don't like the Maps app, that's perfectly fine. You're allowed to have an opinion.[/QUOTE] You know what, you're right. All my words are useless. [url]http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/[/url] Have a website that sums it all up. [sup][sup]Oh by the way if you want user feedback launch a user public beta-test program[/sup][/sup] [sup][sup][sup]And the reason I'm repeating myself is because I already made my point several times and the only rebuttal you found was repeating "It's normal" and "Your point is invalid and unfounded and uneducated" in various shapes and forms[/sup][/sup][/sup]

Bet hit&miss isn't the quality level that Steve Jobs would tolerate. It's either bullseye or don't bother. Which makes me wonder, they could've hired a independent team under a NDA to develop a mapping service and vigorously test it, but instead the users are being used as guinea pigs. This ain't Apple's style [B]AT ALL[/B]. Somethings definitely smelling fishy here, and the stench is coming from the current management team at Apple.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37859553]Bet hit&miss isn't the quality level that Steve Jobs would tolerate. It's either bullseye or don't bother. Which makes me wonder, they could've hired a independent team under a NDA to develop a mapping service and vigorously test it, but instead the users are being used as guinea pigs. This ain't Apple's style [B]AT ALL[/B]. Somethings definitely smelling fishy here, and the stench is coming from the current management team at Apple.[/QUOTE] I remember reading somewhere that Jobs was really butthurt about any sort of coding or design flaw in apple products. If a programmer would leave even the slightest bit of miscoding under his watch he'd flip shit out until it was fixed.

as previously shown by the video he basically said we aren't going to do maps, that isn't our thang, we'll let google do maps cause they own at it

[QUOTE=Van-man;37859553]Bet hit&miss isn't the quality level that Steve Jobs would tolerate. It's either bullseye or don't bother. Which makes me wonder, they could've hired a independent team under a NDA to develop a mapping service and vigorously test it, but instead the users are being used as guinea pigs. This ain't Apple's style [B]AT ALL[/B]. Somethings definitely smelling fishy here, and the stench is coming from the current management team at Apple.[/QUOTE] Indeed Jobs would have torn some new assholes for sure, but at the same time I don't see that he would have completely prevented it. Maybe it would have just been slightly less of a failure of a launch. I don't see this as "fall of Apple" or whatever. They have to fuck up a lot worse for that.

[QUOTE=SA Spyder;37860582]Indeed Jobs would have torn some new assholes for sure, but at the same time I don't see that he would have completely prevented it. Maybe it would have just been slightly less of a failure of a launch. I don't see this as "fall of Apple" or whatever. They have to fuck up a lot worse for that.[/QUOTE] Steve Jobs would have stopped them because he clearly expressed he did not want the iOs to get any other apple app than the already existing google maps, because it worked just fine. And you know Apple is already starting to fuck up when we are regretting the douche that was Jobs.