Microsoft to remove the start button for windows 8
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[QUOTE=Panda X;34584996]Probably because it's the most visual change.
• System Reset: Restores your computer back to its default settings.
• History Vault: Backup your important data and display backed up files and folders in a time line. You can backup locally or across the network.
• Sync settings to the cloud.
• Hybrid Boot: Hybrid boot differs from the traditional boot process in which the computer goes into an advanced hibernated state instead of fully off.
• Windows To Go: This feature allows you to run Windows 8 from a USB storage device so you can run Windows from anywhere.
• 30% less memory usage by default as of the developer preview.
• Multi monitor support, multiple taskbars, spanning wallpapers, separate wallpapers
• Native ISO, IMG, VHD, and VHDX mounting support.
• Updating task manager which provides more information
• Hyper-V support. Native virtualization (like vbox and vmware) and is better than WVPC by miles.
There are others, but those are just a few highlights.[/QUOTE]
I find this pretty funny, since most Linux distros have had these features for years.
I'm even running the system I'm currently using directly off a 16GB USB stick, which I bought for about 30$.
It's blazingly fast, even compared to using Windows 7 on a normal harddrive (Not SSD).
I'm only left to wonder, why Linux is not more popular than it is, but I suppose it boils down to being the fact that Microsoft has deals with pretty much every major computer manufacturer there exists.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;34587617]I'm only left to wonder, why Linux is not more popular than it is, but I suppose it boils down to being the fact that Microsoft has deals with pretty much every major computer manufacturer there exists.[/QUOTE]
well that and marketing
Nobody makes commercials for Linux. MS makes commercials for Windows all the time.
[QUOTE=Panda X;34585203]I agree is was a pointless thing to make it invisible, I hope if they get enough feedback about it though they'll re-add it, or at least something there as an indication "hey there's still something here".
I wouldn't be surprised if your average computer user came to the desktop, saw it was gone, and didn't know what the hell was going on. Then again a lot of the Metro interface is like that, Microsoft says it's suppose to be "discoverable". I think they took it too far.[/QUOTE]
Do you know if programs on the desktop and in Metro will be the same instance? In the developer preview I noticed that my desktop IE tabs weren't automatically open in the Metro version, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;34584265]God fucking damn it
Tablets are not fucking everything, desktop PCs are still the best. Why can't anyone realize this? Stupid gimmick shit.[/QUOTE]
It's probably a toggle option, just like taskbar autohide. Also if you're on a pc why the hell are you using the start button anyway. Just hit the win key.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;34587617]I find this pretty funny, since most Linux distros have had these features for years.
I'm even running the system I'm currently using directly off a 16GB USB stick, which I bought for about 30$.
It's blazingly fast, even compared to using Windows 7 on a normal harddrive (Not SSD).
I'm only left to wonder, why Linux is not more popular than it is, but I suppose it boils down to being the fact that Microsoft has deals with pretty much every major computer manufacturer there exists.[/QUOTE]
Because if you're an average user linux offers you nothing but pain. Most of your applications won't work out of the box, you need to relearn parts of the UI, SUDO is confusing and a billion other things.
Sure you can run a lot of these things in WINE but how can you expect people that confuse a program for a shortcut be able to cope with wine. Not to mention there's usually a performance hit and some things need registry dickings to get working.
[QUOTE=Panda X;34585203]I agree is was a pointless thing to make it invisible, I hope if they get enough feedback about it though they'll re-add it, or at least something there as an indication "hey there's still something here".
I wouldn't be surprised if your average computer user came to the desktop, saw it was gone, and didn't know what the hell was going on. Then again a lot of the Metro interface is like that, Microsoft says it's suppose to be "discoverable". I think they took it too far.[/QUOTE]
I noticed the same with WP7 to be honest. The battery and connection icons for instance. But really as far as menu hiding goes, the only real criticisms I've had with microsoft is hiding power plans in windows 7. As opposed to showing all 3, it only lists 2.
For the case in Linux, atleast half the community are asshat programmers who mock Windows and Mac users on a daily basis because they don't have all the knowledge in the world.
As a friend of mine put it, "you get 3 things with Linux users and Comp Sci majors...They're smart, helpful, and asshats. Its rare to meet one missing the asshat portion."
You know, I know what Garry feels like when he fucks with the forums. People get rinded up about stuff that they haven't even tried "it'll never be as good as the old stuff" and "I'll never buy this piece of shit". you even make fun of the real improvements; tried hybrid boot? On a slow 5400RPM drive and an i3 330M it boots in about 16 seconds. In Windows 7, it's about a minute. At least, and then I'll ahve to wait for all kinds of shit loding AFTER I hit the desktop. Incredible feature for laptops, and to a certain extent, desktops. I'm not saying Windows 8 will be all fine and dandy, but wait till you've tried it. The design moves made here are backed up by extensive research, so don't just throw it out the window. Tell me, what did Windows 7 [I]really[/I] change from Vista? Faster boot time, lower RAM requirements, altered but still recognizable design and some new ways to manage windows. That does somehow sound slightly familiar..
I'm John Smith and no start bar was my idea
*Facepunch brandishes their pitchforks*
this is the result of MS trying to take back their ~hip~ and ~trendy~ customers that ~<(apple)>~ stole from them.
People seriously click on the start button instead of just hitting win key?
[QUOTE=install gentoo;34588640]People seriously click on the start button instead of just hitting win key?[/QUOTE]
This, I can't remember when I last clicked the button. I always use the key on the keyboard.
Windows 8 sounds like an overcomplicated piece of shit to me, moving several easy and useful features to where they are hard to access. Microsoft needs to realize that not everybody uses a damn tablet computer.
What...
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Looks like I won't be upgrading yet again.
I'm still pissed off about XP, I liked my old '98 UI, damn it! I feel more and more like a cranky old man in today's world of "features" and "innovations" that are, frankly, fucking retarded. Vista reminded me too much of a Mac, 7 is just as bad (but it does not suck) and this will be Vista all over again, mark my fucking words.
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Because if you're an average user linux offers you nothing but pain. Most of your applications won't work out of the box, you need to relearn parts of the UI, SUDO is confusing and a billion other things.
Sure you can run a lot of these things in WINE but how can you expect people that confuse a program for a shortcut be able to cope with wine. Not to mention there's usually a performance hit and some things need registry dickings to get working.[/QUOTE]
First of all, there's no registry in Linux, so there's no "dickings" to be done.
Second, my girlfriend decided one day to just install Linux, so I instructed her how to get it installed.
She's a happy Linux user now, and she's gained pretty much all the knowledge on her own, and she doesn't have the least interest in any programming or the like. She uses her computer for gaming (in Windows), facebook and surfing around, and school.
If she can use Linux, I'm willing to bet that a SHITTON of people can learn this too, if not everyone, then at least government employed individuals, since it would save a shitton of money for non-important dummy-terminals to just use a Linux system like Mint or Ubuntu, instead of shitting out money for Microsoft.
Don't get me wrong, I think Windows 7 is the best thing that has ever happened to Microsoft, and while I hate the Windows API, and the system that is Windows (regardless of version), then I agree that it's easy to use, and I like using it too. Linux just has so much more to offer, if it wasn't for bad graphic driver support from AMD and not a lot of commercial development going on.
Prolly gonna be giving this one a pass.
Looks like Windows 7 is the new XP.
Wait how will i be able to do anything?
[QUOTE=lavacano;34587499]so wait wait wait
If I'm reading this correctly, Metro UI is pretty much the new Start Menu?[/QUOTE]
Yep.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;34587617]I find this pretty funny, since most Linux distros have had these features for years.
I'm even running the system I'm currently using directly off a 16GB USB stick, which I bought for about 30$.
It's blazingly fast, even compared to using Windows 7 on a normal harddrive (Not SSD).
I'm only left to wonder, why Linux is not more popular than it is, but I suppose it boils down to being the fact that Microsoft has deals with pretty much every major computer manufacturer there exists.[/QUOTE]
From what I've experienced Linux is usually the first to add features like that and Microsoft does it some time later in the future.
Only reason Linux isn't as popular I would image is because it's not made to be really known to a lot of computer users, even some who know about it can't be bothered because they're used to Windows or Mac, or they have an application or game that doesn't run to well under compatibility layers.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;34587780]Do you know if programs on the desktop and in Metro will be the same instance? In the developer preview I noticed that my desktop IE tabs weren't automatically open in the Metro version, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.[/QUOTE]
IE10 has partial desktop/metro alignment, as for other programs, it'd be up to the programmer to do that.
[QUOTE=MrBacon;34589150]What...
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Hm. Quite the intellectual, scholarly comment you had there. Truly raises some questions of my own.
But seriously, I don't think Windows 8 is going to be a shit operating system, but I'm not sure if it'd be worth the money to upgrade from 7 for. Maybe if you're coming from some other O.S. you pay full price but Windows 7 users get a sale on the O.S., I'd think about it.
I say this, because, to be honest, it seems like Microsoft should be rolling this O.S. out as updates for 7, not as an entirely new O.S.
[QUOTE=Bound;34589738]I say this, because, to be honest, it seems like Microsoft should be rolling this O.S. out as updates for 7, not as an entirely new O.S.[/QUOTE]
That's what people say with every release of Windows.
7 should've been Vista SP3, XP should've been an update to Win2k, Win2k an update of NT4, 98 an update of 95 etc.
Fullscreen start menu sounds genius to me. More room for search results and program shortcuts is very welcome.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;34589680]First of all, there's no registry in Linux, so there's no "dickings" to be done.
Second, my girlfriend decided one day to just install Linux, so I instructed her how to get it installed.
She's a happy Linux user now, and she's gained pretty much all the knowledge on her own, and she doesn't have the least interest in any programming or the like. She uses her computer for gaming (in Windows), facebook and surfing around, and school.
If she can use Linux, I'm willing to bet that a SHITTON of people can learn this too, if not everyone, then at least government employed individuals, since it would save a shitton of money for non-important dummy-terminals to just use a Linux system like Mint or Ubuntu, instead of shitting out money for Microsoft.
Don't get me wrong, I think Windows 7 is the best thing that has ever happened to Microsoft, and while I hate the Windows API, and the system that is Windows (regardless of version), then I agree that it's easy to use, and I like using it too. Linux just has so much more to offer, if it wasn't for bad graphic driver support from AMD and not a lot of commercial development going on.[/QUOTE]
I feel I should point out that my mother uses ubuntu. She isn't a complete technophobe, but she's capable of finding help on various forums if she needs to.
It's fine for her browsing, email, word-processing, TV watching, casual gaming needs and it's fast and reliable.
Plus she knows how to get more software if she needs something. I still remember her reaction when I showed her Synaptic and what was available on it: "And it's all [i]free[/i]?"
Anyway, I think that's enough going off subject.
So long as it's usable, I don't care.
Things change, it's a universal truth. Move with the change or be left behind.
Guys this actually makes sense if you:
Have been following Windows 8
-or-
Read the article
All your issues and questions have been addressed, that is a leaked beta that is not final, MS has been listening to criticism in Windows 8 testing, and like all other changes, there probably is an option to bring it back, if not by registry.
crisis averted
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Woomp;34585017]All of those features are not useful at all to me. Looks like I'll be sticking with OpenSUSE/Windows 7 dual boot.[/QUOTE]
The OS boots in like half the time of W7 and is more fluid and even more secure. It literally makes Linux look like Vista.
[QUOTE=install gentoo;34588640]People seriously click on the start button instead of just hitting win key?[/QUOTE]
I never use that button.
Moving my cursor to the bottom left corner is something I have gotten used to.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;34585817]Yeah. Windows 7 was neat, solid and refined.
Windows 8 'metro' bullshit [B]looks seriously over the top, flat out trying-to-be-cool and redefine shit as 3.0! WHOA![/B]
What we want from PCs is simplicity, performance, stability, ease-of-use for stuff like 3DSMax and running Games well, not horrible features that are forced upon you and are pretty much worthless after the first ten minutes of 'wow cool' or more likely 'wow this is shit'.[/QUOTE]
Posting from an OS that looks like it was made by someone on deviant art? Metro is actually clean and simple, and not some floating cut-glass table littered with cluttered icons.
[editline]7th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;34587617]I find this pretty funny, since most Linux distros have had these features for years.[/QUOTE]
That's sorta the point. Remember when Linux fanatics would list all these reason why Linux>Windows? What happens when that listed dwindles to nothing?
Fact of the matter is the Windows 8 developer preview you can download [B]right now[/B] (I'd wait till the beta that come's out this month) boots fast than your precious Linux distro.
Nothing is sacred anymore. :(
[QUOTE=install gentoo;34588640]People seriously click on the start button instead of just hitting win key?[/QUOTE]
I do it when I'm very tired and too lazy to lift my left arm.
I rememeber when the designs was round and simple, now it's only squares and black shit backgrounds.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;34587617]
I'm only left to wonder, why Linux is not more popular than it is, but I suppose it boils down to being the fact that Microsoft has deals with pretty much every major computer manufacturer there exists.[/QUOTE]
program support.
you can't deny that support for windows is far higher than linux. Linux doesn't even have a decent DAW.
[QUOTE=tomatmann;34590795]I rememeber when the designs was round and simple, now it's only squares and black shit backgrounds.[/QUOTE]
Really?
I remember when everything was light-gray boxes and a teal background.
[img]http://www.alegsa.com.ar/Notas/Notas/windows/windows95escritorio.gif[/img]
This "round" design schema is pretty new for Windows.
Fuck you Microsoft I like the damn start button.
Looks like I'm sticking to Windows 7.
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