• Microsoft to remove the start button for windows 8
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My problem with this change is there's almost no point to it; the amount of space saved in minimal and having an invisible button seems counter productive. Besides, if they are trying to make windows 8 touch friendly, making a commonly used button smaller seems, once again, counter productive. I do hope at the very least it's optional. [QUOTE=Aredbomb;34584570]Seems kind of pointless, though. Were people really complaining about the aesthetics of the Start button and the fact that you had to click it? The word "START" isn't even on the button anymore, you can argue that they've already gotten rid of it. Who the hell would be annoyed by the presence of a clickable icon on the left side of a bar full of more clickable icons?[/QUOTE] The tool tip for the Windows 7 start button says "Start", so it's still very much there.
[QUOTE=install gentoo;34588640]People seriously click on the start button instead of just hitting win key?[/QUOTE] I ripped out that key long ago it has caused me far too much annoyance while playing games
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;34592597]I ripped out that key long ago it has caused me far too much annoyance while playing games[/QUOTE] Seriously? I can only think of one time that's actually happened to me, and that was when I was playing TF2 in [B]windowed mode[/B].
Didn't they make the not-start start menu a massive fullscreen thing? I don't care if it loads fast, it sounds a lot less convenient than the start bar.
No start button? Don't worry, someone will get it on.
fuck it, I am going to be like the people who stick with XP, windows 7 is easily the best OS Microsoft has made IMO. I'll expect to be using windows 7 for the next 15 years.
I'm on windows XP v:v:v
[QUOTE=install gentoo;34592660]Seriously? I can only think of one time that's actually happened to me, and that was when I was playing TF2 in [B]windowed mode[/B].[/QUOTE] Well I disabled it, but basically, yeah Not very common but enough that I see it as an issue, and I never really used it anyway
[QUOTE=thisispain;34590861]program support. you can't deny that support for windows is far higher than linux. Linux doesn't even have a decent DAW.[/QUOTE] It's not because of program support. I'd argue it has to do with technophobia. Most people are inept at using a computer, even with Windows. I've noticed that people try to memorize locations of buttons or options instead of thinking about logically where that button would be. For example, if one of these technophobes opened up the Control Panel and you asked them to find the option that controls the mouse speed, theres a good chance they wouldn't find it. Of course Facepunch users would immediately think "Mouse settings" without having to see the Control Panel. If you showed the technophobe where the Mouse settings button was, it's almost like they memorize it as a grid coordinate rather than "Mouse settings" (i.e. 3rd row 5th column or whatever). If a new option is added and it throws off the location of the button, they'll probably never find it again. So my point is, most people are stupid and can't be arsed to re-memorize the grid coordinates of the buttons they want to push to use Linux. If they saw Linux, their entire brain just shuts down and they have no clue what to do no matter how obvious the interface is. Then there are the people who use Windows because everyone else does (the bandwagon). It's not that they like Windows, they use it because it's the only thing they've been exposed to. And they're afraid of change too like the technophobes. The problem isn't a lack of programs. For many people, all they need is a web browser, and Chrome and Firefox both run on Linux. Of course there are some people that [b]need[/b] Photoshop or some other professional tool, but they're small in number compared to the hordes of Facebook drones.
Why complain when you could just simply stay on Windows 7, I mean they do frequently update every OS so far.. Right?
I have nothing against Microsoft hiding the start button. But what in the [B]hell[/B] is that full-screen tablet shit when you do press it?
[QUOTE=nikomo;34594211]I have nothing against Microsoft hiding the start button. But what in the [B]hell[/B] is that full-screen tablet shit when you do press it?[/QUOTE] The new start menu.
[QUOTE=Zanfall;34584483]Its not really gone. You just have to hover over the corner of the screen. It looks like this right now [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/2hC5CA.png[/img][/QUOTE] I hope Windows 8 doesn't come with that watermark.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;34594701]I hope Windows 8 doesn't come with that watermark.[/QUOTE] That watermark is only in prerelease builds. Has been since Chicago / 95.
[QUOTE=Panda X;34594589]The new start menu.[/QUOTE] Still looks pretty bad.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34594004]It's not because of program support. I'd argue it has to do with technophobia.[/QUOTE]It's not really that that, it's being blasted with everything having this ridiculous look to it. When I think of "mouse settings" I assume I have to go, start, control panel, and then to the mouse settings thing. I don't read, I just recognize the icon (or something related) and just go for it. Sure, I could read and go "oh, that's probably what I'm looking for" but let's be honest here, I see something shaped vaguely like a computer mouse and click on that. Changing everything forces me to re-learn what shit looks like, getting used to the font, figuring out all the stupid little quirks a new OS has. Everything a person goes through when being introduced to a new thing, really. I'm not afraid of technology, or computers or even learning new things, it's just I don't want to go through the goddamn hassle. That's why I run XP in "classic" mode because it all looks familiar and isn't a total bitch to deal with. Part of my problem is the jelly-like look that was introduced in XP, made worse in Vista and kept in 7. It's all about personal preference, a good deal of us Windows users have gotten used to certain things staying the same and it's comfortable for us. It works, it's simple, it's easy. We're not afraid of innovation, but fixing shit that isn't broke is completely stupid.
BUT HOW DO I START /caps
[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;34595125]/caps[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure that hasn't actually been necessary since mid '09
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;34594949]Still looks pretty bad.[/QUOTE] I've been using the developer preview since September on my laptop, and my only complaint with the Start menu is the total lack of context menus; but the dev preview was geared towards tablets and touch interface so I'm not to worried. Besides, whenever I'm doing something in the start menu I wasn't using the rest of my screen anyway, so why shouldn't the start menu take advantage of all of that wasted screen space?
[QUOTE=DaMastez;34596540]I've been using the developer preview since September on my laptop, and my only complaint with the Start menu is the total lack of context menus; but the dev preview was geared towards tablets and touch interface so I'm not to worried. Besides, whenever I'm doing something in the start menu I wasn't using the rest of my screen anyway, so why shouldn't the start menu take advantage of all of that wasted screen space?[/QUOTE] I would use the start menu while I had a Youtube video playing. If I needed to open something up, I could still keep an eye on the video.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;34596645]I would use the start menu while I had a Youtube video playing. If I needed to open something up, I could still keep an eye on the video.[/QUOTE] You still can with Metro I believe? The tiles are "Live", changes happening in applications they run can be displayed on the tile in the menu. If your browser is currently running, it could push a live feed of what is currently being shown to the tile.
Yeah, I'm not upgrading.
Hopefully someone will develop an alternative shell
God people need to read.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;34589680]First of all, there's no registry in Linux, so there's no "dickings" to be done. Second, my girlfriend decided one day to just install Linux, so I instructed her how to get it installed. She's a happy Linux user now, and she's gained pretty much all the knowledge on her own, and she doesn't have the least interest in any programming or the like. She uses her computer for gaming (in Windows), facebook and surfing around, and school. If she can use Linux, I'm willing to bet that a SHITTON of people can learn this too, if not everyone, then at least government employed individuals, since it would save a shitton of money for non-important dummy-terminals to just use a Linux system like Mint or Ubuntu, instead of shitting out money for Microsoft. Don't get me wrong, I think Windows 7 is the best thing that has ever happened to Microsoft, and while I hate the Windows API, and the system that is Windows (regardless of version), then I agree that it's easy to use, and I like using it too. Linux just has so much more to offer, if it wasn't for bad graphic driver support from AMD and not a lot of commercial development going on.[/QUOTE] I'd like to point out that Wine does indeed simulate a registry and a bunch of apps do require dicking in it to get them to work. On top of considering you yourself say that your GF tends to swap between windows and linux she isn't a non-windows pure linux sure. I'd say that with time she will probably return to being a full windows user once more because she'll start getting annoyed at having settings and stuff spread between two operating systems. On top of that, most people that already invest into windows (as your girlfriend does for the gamin) have utterly no reason to invest time into another OS. As to dummy terminals and ATMs using CE as opposed to some nix version. The OS is tested and it has specific software written for it which once more is tested proven and would be far more expensive to rewrite and retest anew. Sure stuff happens to the security of the system as well but overall it's a platform with existing solutions that are accessible. On another note, I find the metro interface sort of funny since it actually marks a return to a tiled window manager in some sense at least. And that actually makes quite a lot of sense for portable devices.
Looks like I'm sticking with Windows 7 [B]fooooreeeeeeeveeeeeeer[/B].
[QUOTE=DaMastez;34596540]I've been using the developer preview since September on my laptop, and my only complaint with the Start menu is the total lack of context menus; but the dev preview was geared towards tablets and touch interface so I'm not to worried. Besides, whenever I'm doing something in the start menu I wasn't using the rest of my screen anyway, so why shouldn't the start menu take advantage of all of that wasted screen space?[/QUOTE] I've been running DP as well, and I'm loving it. I'm talking about the thumbnail itself, it's looks like a smurf took a crap on a bad day.
why the fuck is microsoft doing this do they WANT people to hate them? what if NOBODY bought Windows 8 to force them to make things normal again?
even if this feature carries onto Windows 8 in its default, out of the box form, it'll probably take around 5 minutes for you to adapt (if you keep it like that) you guys are crying about nothing, and this is an beta build that isn't meant to be released to the public, so it is subject to change
[QUOTE=Panda X;34594589]The new start menu.[/QUOTE] This is a start menu: [img]http://i.imgur.com/OiQuL.png[/img] This is a tile-based main display that belongs on a tablet with a touchscreen, not a desktop machine: [img]http://i.imgur.com/uKPIX.png[/img]
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