Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence: Student Suspended For Knife In Father's Car - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TheTalon;44044122] Say they ask to search your car (Which now days they probably wouldn't because fuck you, you're on school campus they'll do whatever they like) and you say No. The SRO asks why not and you explain well WHAT IF there was something in the car that the school didn't like and I get in trouble for it? I don't want to take that chance. By saying that you may have just given Probable Cause to search the vehicle[/QUOTE] Or you could just say "no el warranto no el searcho" [editline]25th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Downsider;44044170]Take that with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE] yeah fosho, kid had time to do some gang bangin between all the hours he had to dump into studying and homework to maintain hes grades in advance placement classes and to stay on the honor roll.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;44043828]Yes? Obviously loads of people are terrified of a shooting happening and hold these lockdown drills, which is a problem in itself. I also don't think those people are worried for no reason at all, they obviously don't feel very safe, and I'm assuming that isn't entirely without warrant. I don't think the problem is mass shootings, but that doesn't mean being afraid a mass shooting is going to happen isn't a sign that something is not right.[/QUOTE] Uh, no not really, these drills take like 10-15 minutes tops, only happen a few times a year and are useful for plenty of situations, like if there are criminals near the school. What's wrong with being prepared if something goes horribly wrong, especially if it doesn't even take much time?

[QUOTE=TheTalon;44044122]Zero tolerance is this: Your rights and all common sense is suspended on school campus (And is now branching off of school campus these days). Walking down the hall and some guy just sucker punches you as he walks by with no warning? You do NOTHING but go straight to the office and tell someone about it? You're suspended too. Zero Tolerance means if you were involved, you get punished, circumstances do not matter. It's bullshit and one of the biggest things I remember about school was how ridiculous punishments were handed out and for what reasons Say they ask to search your car (Which now days they probably wouldn't because fuck you, you're on school campus they'll do whatever they like) and you say No. The SRO asks why not and you explain well WHAT IF there was something in the car that the school didn't like and I get in trouble for it? I don't want to take that chance. By saying that you may have just given Probable Cause to search the vehicle if they didn't have it, and found something and you took them to court over it, you could probably get the case thrown out. It's a very important thing and there are very specific rules about what constitutes probable cause or not[/QUOTE] Give who probably cause to search the vehicle?? A principal is not a police officer, normal citizens do not get to search something due to probably cause.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44044174]Or you could just say "no el warranto no el searcho"[/QUOTE] If the officer has el probable cause-eo than your stupid warrant idea is flawed. The school's parking lot is their private property. If you pay to park there, you probably also neglected to read the terms of parking there which probably has a statement in there that says that you surrender your right to privacy. They can do that because its private property. The whole knife thing is beyond stupid. Unless it was sitting out on the seat I dont see a problem with having it. I had shotguns in my vehicle in high school almost on the daily because we would go hunting after class. Never had an issue.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;44044234]If the officer has el probable cause-eo than your stupid warrant idea is flawed.[/QUOTE] If denying a search is probably cause for a search, then having the right to deny a search is complete bullshit.

What my parents told me is in any case in school where you are asked by school administration to do [I]anything[/I] that either violates your rights outside school or makes you uncomfortable, you refuse to cooperate and have them call your parents. Any question they ask, answer with "Call my parents". Fortunately I never had to do that, but still.

Schools in the USA are worse than schools in many third-world countries I know of.

[QUOTE=archangel125;44044290]Schools in the USA are worse than schools in many third-world countries I know of.[/QUOTE] lmao not even close dood.

Thank fuck our schools don't have all this "zero tolerance" crap, or else I would get thrown out every month :v:

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44043127]Does that principle have no empathy? And what the fuck is this "Guilty until proven innocent shit"? I thought the US Justice System was made "Innocent until proven guilty" This whole zero tolerance policy is giving the worst message to children.[/QUOTE] Please note that that was the grandmother's interpretation of the situation rather than anything said by a school official.

[QUOTE=archangel125;44044290]Schools in the USA are worse than schools in many third-world countries I know of.[/QUOTE] Judging by the intelligence of that comment, Canadian schools are on-par with US schools.

I'm terribly afraid to say incredibly dumb thing, but... doesn't shit like this and other "zero tolerance policy" nuttery drive more kids crazy enough to go shoot the school up? Is there no correlation between the "zero tolerance" stuff being implemented and how often school shooting happened in time?

[QUOTE=TheTalon;44044122]Say they ask to search your car (Which now days they probably wouldn't because fuck you, you're on school campus they'll do whatever they like) and you say No. The SRO asks why not and you explain well WHAT IF there was something in the car that the school didn't like and I get in trouble for it? I don't want to take that chance. By saying that you may have just given Probable Cause to search the vehicle if they didn't have it, and found something and you took them to court over it, you could probably get the case thrown out. It's a very important thing and there are very specific rules about what constitutes probable cause or not[/QUOTE] "Oh no, he asked why I don't want to be searched, I better say something idiotic" Just say you don't feel like consenting to anything and repeat it.

[QUOTE=archangel125;44044290]Schools in the USA are worse than schools in many third-world countries I know of.[/QUOTE] [img]http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo_StoryLevel/071209/071209_africa_hmed_12p.grid-6x2.jpg[/img] Yea, LA High has been going through some troubles.

[QUOTE=damnatus;44044325]Thank fuck our schools don't have all this "zero tolerance" crap, or else I would get thrown out every month :v:[/QUOTE] It's great right? I remember I got suspended like, five times for various shenanigans. In USA I would've been in jail after the third suspension probably :v: One of my friends works as a teacher in public school, and I called their day regime "fascist" because they don't allow kids to leave the school building during the change to get some fresh air even for two minutes.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;44043647]Shootings do not happen regularly (here).[/QUOTE] If the Netherlands had a population of 300 million people you might have a couple on an annual basis. Logic dictates since you have 1/20 the population you'd probably also have 1/20 the occurrences of mass murders.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44044459]If the Netherlands had a population of 300 million people you might have a couple on an annual basis. Logic dictates since you have 1/20 the population you'd probably also have 1/20 the occurrences of mass murders.[/QUOTE] It's quite a little bit more complex than that. Strictly mathematical rules don't apply to human societies, it's why the whole new sciences were invented.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44044459]If the Netherlands had a population of 300 million people you might have a couple on an annual basis. Logic dictates since you have 1/20 the population you'd probably also have 1/20 the occurrences of mass murders.[/QUOTE] That's some god awful logic you know.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;44044515]That's some god awful logic you know.[/QUOTE] Why don't you explain to me why that is rather than just making a rhetorical insult statement. I see no reason why using a per capita approach is not valid. If Netherlands has "fewer capitas" then obviously there will be less annual occurrences right ff the bat.

[quote] Guilty until proven innocent [/quote] What the fuck now thats some tyrannical russian style bullshit right there

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44044560]Why don't you explain to me why that is rather than just making a rhetorical insult statement. I see no reason why using a per capita approach is not valid. If Netherlands has "fewer capitas" then obviously there will be less annual occurrences right ff the bat.[/QUOTE] Population density, mental health care, firearm accessibility to name a few.

"Guilty until proven innocent..." Isn't it literally the other fucking way around?

[QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;44044642]"Guilty until proven innocent..." Isn't it literally the other fucking way around?[/QUOTE] ZERO tolerance though, absolutely no tolerance. Non.

This is unconstitutional.

[QUOTE=dai;44043239] on a school campus you twit[/QUOTE] It was in his car. Not even his car hell from the story it sounds like he didn't even know it was there.

[QUOTE=gudman;44044499]It's quite a little bit more complex than that. Strictly mathematical rules don't apply to human societies[/QUOTE] It is more complex than that, but Mobrockers is clearly not factoring in those complexities when throwing around statements and comparisons between the Netherlands and the united states. How would you like it if I said that the average Russian was 30x more likely to commit homicide than a Canadian, when that's obviously not true? Russia has a much larger population so right of the bat one can't make valid in-depth comparisons based purely on the number of occurrences.

[QUOTE=Oizen;44044710]It was in his car. Not even his car hell from the story it sounds like he didn't even know it was there.[/QUOTE] You are responsible for everything in the vehicle regardless of ownership. If you're driving your friends car and he has 10 k's of crack in the back. Thats now your responsiblility

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44044711]It is more complex than that, but Mobrockers is clearly not factoring in those complexities when throwing around statements and comparisons between the Netherlands and the united states. How would you like it if I said that the average Russian was 30x more likely to commit homicide than a Canadian, when that's obviously not true? Russia has a much larger population so right of the bat one can't make valid in-depth comparisons based purely on the number of occurrences.[/QUOTE] Oh, I see. Your logic is still flawed though, because as much as mobrockers is wrong in his comparison, he's... wrong in a different way.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44044711]It is more complex than that, but Mobrockers is clearly not factoring in those complexities when throwing around statements and comparisons between the Netherlands and the united states. How would you like it if I said that the average Russian was 30x more likely to commit homicide than a Canadian, when that's obviously not true? Russia has a much larger population so right of the bat one can't make valid in-depth comparisons based purely on the number of occurrences.[/QUOTE] I didn't make any comparison based on number of occurrences.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;44044743]You are responsible for everything in the vehicle regardless of ownership. If you're driving your friends car and he has 10 k's of crack in the back. Thats now your responsiblility[/QUOTE] Having a knife that is stored in the car on campus territory still seems to me a bit different from having a knife in your pocket on campus territory.