Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence: Student Suspended For Knife In Father's Car - Polidicks

[QUOTE=gudman;44044827]Having a knife that is stored in the car on campus territory still seems to me a bit different from having a knife in your pocket on campus territory.[/QUOTE] It is. Significantly. This entire ordeal is bullshit.

[QUOTE=Oizen;44044710]It was in his car. Not even his car hell from the story it sounds like he didn't even know it was there.[/QUOTE] in the car [B]that he drove to school and parked there[/B] just from a completely-blind-to-outside-facts viewpoint, the school has no idea if he intentionally brought it and planned on doing something with it. even if he can't get back out midday to grab it and come back indoors, you've got two potential situations where it would be near other students: -people go to the parking lot at the end of the day, he would also be free to go to the vehicle and retrieve the thing and still be around other students -if he was planning something maybe he backed out on that day but is still a danger tomorrow it's something to be concerned about but upon finding the story they should have understood well enough and let it drop

[QUOTE=dai;44045037]in the car [B]that he drove to school[/B] just from an outside point of view, the school has no idea if he intentionally brought it and planned on doing something with it[/QUOTE] Wheel wrench is also a nasty piece. I bet he had it too.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44044560]Why don't you explain to me why that is rather than just making a rhetorical insult statement. I see no reason why using a per capita approach is not valid. If Netherlands has "fewer capitas" then obviously there will be less annual occurrences right ff the bat.[/QUOTE] You can just as well compare Europe to the US. You're looking at a larger population with less instances of shooting crimes in a higher population density. That more or less indicates that the population size isn't the only factor.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;44045123]You can just as well compare Europe to the US. [/QUOTE] The entirety of Europe can't really be adequately compared to the country of United States though. [editline]25th February 2014[/editline] Duh.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;44043462]How can anyone say with a straight face the US doesn't have a gun violence problem when 'lockdown' drills to practice procedure during a shooting are considered normal.[/QUOTE] How can anyone say with a straight face the US doesn't have a fire occurrence problem when 'fire' drills to practice procedure during a fire are considered normal.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;44044794]I didn't make any comparison based on number of occurrences.[/QUOTE] Regardless, anyone who thinks that school shootings in the United States are a common occurrence is an idiot. Let's do the math. Since the year 1980, there have been 137 school shootings in the United States, if you include school shootings occurring from the lowest educational institution of elementary schools to the highest of colleges. As of 2009, there are 136,678 educational institutions, counting elementary, middle, and high schools, as well as 2- and 4-year colleges. This means that in the past 34 years, only 0.1% of American schools have seen a shooting. That is miniscule.

the high school I went to was like a prison readiness camp

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;44045201]Regardless, anyone who thinks that school shootings in the United States are a common occurrence is an idiot. Let's do the math. Since the year 1980, there have been 137 school shootings in the United States, if you include school shootings occurring from the lowest educational institution of elementary schools to the highest of colleges. As of 2009, there are 136,678 educational institutions, counting elementary, middle, and high schools, as well as 2- and 4-year colleges. This means that in the past 34 years, only 0.1% of American schools have seen a shooting. That is miniscule.[/QUOTE] I also never said I thought school shootings were a commonplace thing. [editline]25th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=be;44045195]How can anyone say with a straight face the US doesn't have a fire occurrence problem when 'fire' drills to practice procedure during a fire are considered normal.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to say fires aren't a regularly occurring problem?

[QUOTE=The golden;44043106]Do American schools exist just to punish children or are they actually educational facilities? I always get the impression that it is the former.[/QUOTE] a lot of american teachers and officials nowadays seem to be those kids who werent popular in school so they became teachers to be hardasses to the kids.

I'm surprised this is news, in my high school in Florida a guy was suspended because he had a butter knife in his car. He and his dad were moving and they had boxes of plates, books, whatever in their car. Sucks that the son picked on moving the silverware in his car. Also (I don't know if this is true in all high schools, but I imagine it is the case) you have to have a sticker to park on campus, when you sign for the sticker it says they can search your car on campus if you like it or not. Furthermore my brother is a small Vietnamese boy who was getting bullied in high school by a large muscular football player, kid beat the shit out of my brother whenever he felt like it for about 2 months straight, on campus police and administrators did nothing when we reported it. One day my brother bought a tazer without telling me and used it on the guy when he tried to beat him up without his other football buddies behind him if something went wrong. My brother beat the mother fucking shit out of him after tazing him, guys face looked like a purple pizza. The football bully told the cop and administrators, we got scared they would do something but nothing happened. One of our idiot friends posted on facebook, "lol omg his face after you tazed him" or something like that, and the next day the police knocked on our door and had a warrant to search the house for weapons. My brother was suspended, put on probation and had to spend maybe a week in juve. What happened to the bully? Nothing Oh I forgot to mention, the whole searching our house for weapons thing sucked ass because we're fucking Asian. We had katanas and nunchuks and shit for decoration. After that my wall was just bare... it wasn't even a real katana it was just pretty :( why police? why?

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44044711]It is more complex than that, but Mobrockers is clearly not factoring in those complexities when throwing around statements and comparisons between the Netherlands and the united states. How would you like it if I said that the average Russian was 30x more likely to commit homicide than a Canadian, when that's obviously not true? Russia has a much larger population so right of the bat one can't make valid in-depth comparisons based purely on the number of occurrences.[/QUOTE] There's a reason national homicide rates are a statistic, they're supposed to be scalable, meaning if a nation has that rate at 3 million it should still at 300 million. Now of course that's not entirely true, they'd likely get worse with more people, but the idea is for them to be scalable. Using national homicide rates, though, you can say Russians are more likely to commit homicide than Canadians, just not 30 times more likely, I think it's more in the realm of 3 times.

[QUOTE=a dumb bear;44044584][quote]Guilty until proven innocent[/quote] What the fuck now thats some tyrannical russian style bullshit right there[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr_Awesome;44044642]"Guilty until proven innocent..." Isn't it literally the other fucking way around?[/QUOTE] You are quoting the grandmother's interpretation of the scenario, not anything that the school said. Stop overreacting.

[QUOTE=The golden;44043106]Do American schools exist just to punish children or are they actually educational facilities? I always get the impression that it is the former.[/QUOTE] No, there's just a amount of really stupid people who have been brainwashed to do whatever they've been told and only what they've been told. They're bureaucratic robots.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44043334]When a school goes into lockdown, they do it to protect the students from sort of dangers. Classroom doors get shut and barred/locked, police get called, ect. It's just like a firedrill or forcing students to get under a desk during a tornado.[/QUOTE] Is this an American thing? I've never heard of anything like this in Holland. At most we have a fire drill every.. 2+ years or so.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;44043698]What's next? will they suspend students for having knives in their kitchen at home?[/QUOTE] if you think about a knife you are expelled

I remember in my high school it was like a fucking contest to see who you could screw over via the "zero tolerance" policies. Like if you didn't like someone, it was common practise to give them something like a glass bottle or a lighter or "this neat metal rod I found" so that you could later report to security that the person you targeted had a "weapon", and that person would usually end up in trouble when security finds the offending article on them.

[quote=the article]During a random lockdown, his car was chosen to be searched.[/quote] What school searches a car during a test lockdown? [quote=the article, also]Duren-Sanner gave permission because he said he had nothing to hide.[/quote] And if he refused the search, I would imagine there would be a bigger shitstorm still.

[QUOTE=dai;44043239]random locker searches I can understand but where on earth does a school come off searching the vehicle without a warrant? I feel we're not getting the full story, it says there was a lockdown so maybe there was a situation, or someone saw the knife from outside the car (like it was sitting on a seat or something) and reported it. on a school campus you twit[/QUOTE] [quote] During a random lockdown [/quote] aka a rehearsed one where everyone just sits in a corner and laughs about how retarded it is no one saw the knife, they just searched cars because it's part of what they'd do in an actual lockdown (apparently)

The only redeeming factor is that the parents can sue the school for money.

I think the zero tolerance policy just adds to the whole drama of the situation than ever really helping the student. What's worse than turning around and accidentally hitting someone in the face with your elbow that you didn't see? Most people would say that person being the teacher however it doesn't matter - zero tolerance so were going to add an extra 10 days of suspension even though you made sure to apologise to that person and they didn't really mind anyway. Thanks!

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;44043127]And what the fuck is this "Guilty until proven innocent shit"? I thought the US Justice System was made "Innocent until proven guilty" This whole zero tolerance policy is giving the worst message to children.[/QUOTE] that's just a thing the dad said not the actual policy [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers;44045225]Are you trying to say fires aren't a regularly occurring problem?[/QUOTE] Misinterpretation of the year

[QUOTE=mattmanlex;44043285] Also what kind of name is Duren-Sanner[/QUOTE] Sounds like an Anime character.

My school did this recently, especially when the knife was hidden well in the guys car, and he uses it for protection rather than killing people. It's stupid, and not helping anyone.

i guess i'm the only one with a school that isn't retarded like this i once brought a multitool to physics for a project and it had a 3-4 inch blade and the teacher saw it and was like "as long as if you keep it in your pocket at all times when you're not using it you're good" [editline]25th February 2014[/editline] my friend also carries pepper spray attached to her keys cos she works late and literally no teacher/administrator has given her shit about it

[QUOTE=Miskav;44046433]Is this an American thing? I've never heard of anything like this in Holland. At most we have a fire drill every.. 2+ years or so.[/QUOTE]We had a minimum of ten fire drills and two tornado drills every year when I went to school in central Minnesota, there wasn't any lockdown drills in my district. I always liked fire drills because it made the day for all the special education kids, who became extremely animated for the rest of the day. I don't know how some of them (who had severe mental disabilities) perceived it but it must have been [i]awesome[/i] judging from their antics afterwards. I like to imagine that while we saw a bunch of kids shuffling outside, they saw a magnificent rave and each of them was John Stamos. <3

I'm waiting for them to just tackle students when they oversharpen a pencil like they're packing a fucking IDE.

Random lockdown searches? American schools are terrifying. I can't imagine something like that happening here. [QUOTE=Rocko's;44049372]My school did this recently, especially when the knife was hidden well in the guys car, and he uses it for protection rather than killing people. It's stupid, and not helping anyone.[/QUOTE] I'm curious? Do American highschools have cooking and shop classes?

So fucking glad I got out of school before this bullshit happened. Dropping out of the 6th grade was the best decision I ever made.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44050081]Random lockdown searches? American schools are terrifying. I can't imagine something like that happening here. I'm curious? Do American highschools have cooking and shop classes?[/QUOTE] my school has a foods + nutrition class which is where you make food obv and it doesn't have a shop class per se but it has a collection of tech classes where you can learn cad and building bridges and shit. it's more computer-oriented but there's hands-on stuff as well