Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence: Student Suspended For Knife In Father's Car - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44050081]I'm curious? Do American highschools have cooking and shop classes?[/QUOTE]Yeah, at least mine did, several different shop classes and a cooking class.

the teacher for the tech classes is really chill too. one time a few friends and i were cleaning out the old darkrooms that nobody uses anymore and we found a bunch of unused hotplates. so the next day we brought bisquick and other cooking materials and made pancakes in the workshop

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;44050172]Yeah, at least mine did, several different shop classes and a cooking class.[/QUOTE] Did they allow you guys to use sharp tools?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44050081]I'm curious? Do American highschools have cooking and shop classes?[/QUOTE] Mine had a cooking class, middle school did too. No shop class unfortunately.

[QUOTE=The golden;44043106]Do American schools exist just to punish children or are they actually educational facilities? I always get the impression that it is the former.[/QUOTE] It's probably the former. My elementary school's idea of in-school-detention or whatever you call it when they want to get rid of you for whatever amount of time was running twice your age around this big gravel track. Anyway, point being, I got sent to that for laying down in class during storytime in first grade. From that day on, school authorities flip if I forget to take off my hood when I walk in from a storm on a rainy day within thirty seconds of being in the building. I forget to put my ID on after not wearing it for an hour and a half of marching band so it doesn't fall off? Go see the principle. Standing too long in one spot during "early-release """""lunch""""""(can't get food until normal lunchtime approaches.)? My principle asks what I'm up to even though I'm in one of like 5 designated spots to go. It's like, I'm a model student, I've got straight-As and literally no behavioral issues apart from getting pissed when someone questions my intelligence and suddenly turning sarcastic, yet, they treat me like a damn criminal.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;44043433]guess what happens if you don't give them consent![/QUOTE] I can tell you from experience. They will freak the absolute fuck out. During my senior year in high school we had a "random lockdown". The principal and liason officer came into my class and told me that they were going to search my truck and asked for my keys. I politely told them no, as they had no real reason and I didn't feel like getting my truck tossed by cops. 1. They put me in handcuffs and held me for questioning. 2. I was suspended. 3. I was kicked out of almost every club and activity I belonged to by other students because they were assholes. 4. They revoked my parking pass, that I paid $50 for. It was a giant clusterfuck, and everybody thought I had brought an arsenal of weapons to school.

[QUOTE=italics560;44050381] It was a giant clusterfuck, and everybody thought I had brought an arsenal of weapons to school.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure[/QUOTE] Fourth amendment doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44050417]Fourth amendment doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] When you get a parking pass, you normally have to sign something saying that they can randomly search your shit. The liaison officer has a entry kit, but I lived in a shitty part of town and had a lot of anti-theft equipment on my truck, so they couldn't get it open. But there was no way in hell I was giving them my keys.

Wouldn't the car itself make for a better weapon than the knife? Im surprised they haven't tried to take away driving to school yet.

[QUOTE=italics560;44050476]The liaison officer has a entry kit, but I lived in a shitty part of town and had a lot of anti-theft equipment on my truck, so they couldn't get it open. But there was no way in hell I was giving them my keys.[/QUOTE] Was it a redeeming (somewhat) factor - seeing their faces when truck refused to open? I imagine they'd be pretty pissed.

[QUOTE=gudman;44050623]Was it a redeeming (somewhat) factor - seeing their faces when truck refused to open? I imagine they'd be pretty pissed.[/QUOTE] I didn't get to see, as they couldn't get it open before. That's why they went to my class and asked for my keys.

[QUOTE=italics560;44050770]I didn't get to see, as they couldn't get it open before. That's why they went to my class and asked for my keys.[/QUOTE] So they didn't even ask you, that's cool.

[QUOTE=gudman;44050829]So they didn't even ask you, that's cool.[/QUOTE] I didn't think it was cool. I was fucking pissed. [editline]25th February 2014[/editline] If they had asked me way beforehand. I might of said yes.

[QUOTE=italics560;44050867]I didn't think it was cool. I was fucking pissed. [/QUOTE] That was sarcastic. In fact, that's the opposite of cool, it's so opposite that I can't even imagine it.

so why isn't it illegal for them to open your car if you refuse a search forcing you to park off the property is fine but breaking in someone's car is fucked up

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;44051232]so why isn't it illegal for them to open your car if you refuse a search forcing you to park off the property is fine but breaking in someone's car is fucked up[/QUOTE] because you void your rights when you buy a parking permit, apparently.

"I keep a knife in my car for emergency. Is that a crime now?"

[QUOTE=dai;44043496]we also had regular tornado drills, fire drills, and twice a year practiced getting into an atomic bunker at my school, doesn't say much other than people like the little sense of security to quell the paranoid delusion that things are extremely likely to happen to you[/QUOTE] I would LOVE to see what an atomic bunker is like. I'm imagining it's like an untouched 70's style structure.

[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44045297]I'm surprised this is news, in my high school in Florida a guy was suspended because he had a butter knife in his car. He and his dad were moving and they had boxes of plates, books, whatever in their car. Sucks that the son picked on moving the silverware in his car. Also (I don't know if this is true in all high schools, but I imagine it is the case) you have to have a sticker to park on campus, when you sign for the sticker it says they can search your car on campus if you like it or not. Furthermore my brother is a small Vietnamese boy who was getting bullied in high school by a large muscular football player, kid beat the shit out of my brother whenever he felt like it for about 2 months straight, on campus police and administrators did nothing when we reported it. One day my brother bought a tazer without telling me and used it on the guy when he tried to beat him up without his other football buddies behind him if something went wrong. My brother beat the mother fucking shit out of him after tazing him, guys face looked like a purple pizza. The football bully told the cop and administrators, we got scared they would do something but nothing happened. One of our idiot friends posted on facebook, "lol omg his face after you tazed him" or something like that, and the next day the police knocked on our door and had a warrant to search the house for weapons. My brother was suspended, put on probation and had to spend maybe a week in juve. What happened to the bully? Nothing Oh I forgot to mention, the whole searching our house for weapons thing sucked ass because we're fucking Asian. We had katanas and nunchuks and shit for decoration. After that my wall was just bare... it wasn't even a real katana it was just pretty :( why police? why?[/QUOTE] And that is why you go to an actual police station as opposed to a school admin or on campus police. (are they actually police officers?) Kinda if your brother had gone to them after the first few attacks, the person spending time in juve would have been the bully. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;44050417]Fourth amendment doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] it does, but as with most constitutional rights, you're getting protection from national authorities as opposed to semi private institutions. You have said right against the police for instance. But not your employer as an example. Generally speaking for a right like this to apply against other organisations and people it has to actually say something like that. (Basically append by the state after most articles of the constitution of most countries.) So a school or a company you work for can actually go and search your locker at regular intervals as long as you signed off a paper. (or it might be in your work contract even) even as a preventive measure without reasonable cause. A great example is the right to free speech in the US. For instance, if you're on a public venue, I cannot infringe your right to free speech, apart from telling you to shut up more or less (which I can tell you because I have said right as well). The moment you come into my house, I can tell you that you aren't allowed to talk about certain things here. The state can't even really do that.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;44045201]Regardless, anyone who thinks that school shootings in the United States are a common occurrence is an idiot. Let's do the math. Since the year 1980, there have been 137 school shootings in the United States, if you include school shootings occurring from the lowest educational institution of elementary schools to the highest of colleges. As of 2009, there are 136,678 educational institutions, counting elementary, middle, and high schools, as well as 2- and 4-year colleges. This means that in the past 34 years, only 0.1% of American schools have seen a shooting. That is miniscule.[/QUOTE] Still, saying that your country sees four school shootings a year on average isn't something to be exactly proud of, even if it has a large population. Not saying that it gives the right for schools to blatantly break the rights and privacy of the students and act like punishment institutions.

[QUOTE=The golden;44043106]Do American schools exist just to punish children or are they actually educational facilities? I always get the impression that it is the former.[/QUOTE] Talking back with an actual viable question. I don't know what you haven't done last year mister!!! [B]suspended indefinitely.[/B]

[QUOTE=Lord Fear;44043282]It says in the article he gave them permission to search the car since he had nothing to hide.[/QUOTE] This needs to be more properly taught: NEVER consent to a search. [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=italics560;44050381]I can tell you from experience. They will freak the absolute fuck out. During my senior year in high school we had a "random lockdown". The principal and liason officer came into my class and told me that they were going to search my truck and asked for my keys. I politely told them no, as they had no real reason and I didn't feel like getting my truck tossed by cops. 1. They put me in handcuffs and held me for questioning. 2. I was suspended. 3. I was kicked out of almost every club and activity I belonged to by other students because they were assholes. 4. They revoked my parking pass, that I paid $50 for. It was a giant clusterfuck, and everybody thought I had brought an arsenal of weapons to school.[/QUOTE] Examine the situation carefully and consult with a lawyer to see if you can press charges. This seems illegal as fuck to my layman's perspective, unless I'm missing something.

I'm surprised that nobody has posted that Malcolm in the Middle clip of Hal repeatedly stating that there is zero tolerance.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;44052271]And that is why you go to an actual police station as opposed to a school admin or on campus police. (are they actually police officers?) Kinda if your brother had gone to them after the first few attacks, the person spending time in juve would have been the bully. [/QUOTE] Lol they are not called campus police ironically like rent-a-cops are at malls. They're actual police, on a campus, they have guns and everything. And the reason my brother went to juve wasn't because the bully went to the police, because he DID go to the police and nothing happened to us. They specifically said they came to search our house because some idiot friend said he saw my brother use a tazer. That was enough for them to practically bust our door down and search our house for "weapons" like decoration katanas and stuff which he got charged for even though they were in my room. (some of them were in my room) Never did anything happen to my brother for beating someone up, they could have given two shits about the bully, just like they gave two shits about his problems, they were 100% focused on the idea we had weapons in our house.

[QUOTE=The golden;44043106]Do American schools exist just to punish children or are they actually educational facilities? I always get the impression that it is the former.[/QUOTE] They exist to indoctrinate children into conformity though the use of fear and paranoia.

What the fuck this shit is rediculous