5 Afghan teens in Sweden charged with raping Afghan boy. Not to be deported due to security concerns - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51613843] What is the "brottsoffermyndighet?" Is it a public fund of some kind?[/QUOTE] Yes exactly, people commited of crimes have to pay 800 kronor (around $100?) so that crime victims actually can get money if the criminal can't pay.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51613869] Then it will either deter others from doing it in the first place or stop them from re-offending, and I don't buy that deportation would most likely lead to their death unless you're actively going out of your way to drop them in an actual war zone. Though if a refugee's response to being given asylum in your country is to rape people, then they're exactly why wherever they "fled" from is so bad in the first place and I can't really be fucked to care at that point. But I also don't think immediate deportation is a sufficient sentence for rape, so I don't really think that's a good solution anyways.[/QUOTE] I disagree it would lower crime rates in and of itself. I also disagree that aggravated rape isn't a justifiable crime to deport people for. Exceptions should be made for certain countries and right now I'd say barely a handful of countries qualify. Unfortunately many people are fleeing those countries for the same reason we shouldn't deport them for.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51613872]Sweden also rewrote the laws regarding sexual assault in 2005. I learned that factoid from doing my own research because no one in the previous iterations of this story felt like it.[/QUOTE] Oh ok, I was a tad off... My merges

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51613872]Sweden also rewrote the laws regarding sexual assault in 2005. I learned that factoid from doing my own research because no one in the previous iterations of this story felt like it.[/QUOTE] Yep. It's right there on the wikipedia page of Rape in Sweden: "There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics. For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005, which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013. The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries. Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported. Raised awareness and a shifting attitude of sexual crimes in Sweden, which has been ranked as the number one country in gender equality, may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape."

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613838]Oh look at that! 2003 we were at 8th place and had 25 rapes per 100,000 citizens. 2010 we scored 3rd place in the world with 63.5 rapes per 100,000 citizens. Oh I wonder what the cause is! What else have gone up in extremes since 2003? Immigration? And I would very much want to see the rate of 2016, maybe we can go for silver this time![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Roshbitnak;51613938]Yep. It's right there on the wikipedia page of Rape in Sweden: "There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics. For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005, which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013. The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries. Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported. Raised awareness and a shifting attitude of sexual crimes in Sweden, which has been ranked as the number one country in gender equality, may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape."[/QUOTE] Basically: correlation does not imply causation. That would be a good lesson to take to heart, Lord M. Ignoring that to confirm your biases would be a mistake.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51613922]My concern with this is that it would be expanded or used to extract profit from people who don't deserve that kind of treatment. Even if it was initially only used for the most serious offenses I could easily see people justifying expanding it for lesser offenses because 'why not'. Personally I think that using prisons to create profit is a gross conflict of interest and should be avoided. It should be a net loss to the community to imprison offenders so as to prevent anyone from seeking unnecessary sentencing for personal gain.[/QUOTE] First up: what you are describing already happens. Private prisons make money based on the number of heads in the facility. They generally even have contracts with the state to maintain a minimum number of people in the facility or the state has to pay a fine. No matter how effective any program for reducing recidivism is in that state, they always have to keep their prison population at a certain level. This is just the very tip of the iceberg for how fucking scummy private prisons are. Like you wouldn't even believe half the dystopian shit going on there. So for offender work programs the first step would be private business gets to control it precisely never. FUCKING NEVER. It will always be controlled by the government and used only for government projects. To the best of the ability of the government, the projects should take place in and around the community of the offender. Sure they could reassign crimes to gain more labor from them, but I'm guessing that the system will probably generate plenty of labor as is. By constantly ensuring, preferably through an independent civilian oversight, that the approved projects are without profit, you can make sure that there is little to no financial incentive for people to abuse the system. Hell, don't even close the program. Allow anyone to participate in return for meals and basic housing. Solve a good chunk of homelessness and recidivism in one go.

I just wish lord m could answer really straightforward questions about hia nations laws in between bizarre tangential rants.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51613952]Basically: correlation does not imply causation. That would be a good lesson to take to heart, Lord M. Ignoring that to confirm your biases would be a mistake.[/QUOTE] He's had several dozen threads to learn this lesson by now. His biases are as terminal as the cancer I got reading his posts.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613838]Oh look at that! 2003 we were at 8th place and had 25 rapes per 100,000 citizens. 2010 we scored 3rd place in the world with 63.5 rapes per 100,000 citizens. Oh I wonder what the cause is! What else have gone up in extremes since 2003? Immigration? And I would very much want to see the rate of 2016, maybe we can go for silver this time![/QUOTE] Holy hell. This is the same nonlogic I see when debating antivaxxers. I thought at least facepunch would be above this. Its fine to be critical of immigration policies, but please beware of what arguments you are using

You want in the club you play by the rules, no likey then get the fuck out.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51613906]It's been pretty conclusively proven that harsh punishments do not deter criminals. See: the entire US justice system. We have the highest crime rate in the world, the highest rate of recidivism in the world, the highest active prison population in the world, among the longest sentence times in the world, and the harshest prison conditions and sentences of the Western world. Clearly, our highly punitive prison system, complete with harsh sentences and poor prison conditions, is not having the intended effect. Here's an interesting article, citing a major 2014 study by the National Research Council on the subject: [url]https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ethics-in-question/201509/harsh-justice[/url] A link to the cited study: [url]http://johnjay.jjay.cuny.edu/nrc/NAS_report_on_incarceration.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] I'd argue that we have an extremely high crime rate DESPITE discouragement from harsh sentencing (at least for first time offenders). Yeah it might increase the likelihood of re-offending but my argument was that it decreases/discourages first time offenders (in this case potential rapists). I'd also argue that a distinct lack of opportunity is highly contributing towards re-offense rates here, Since after their release they're put straight back into the same environment, but are now worse off, it's not necessarily the prison sentence that caused them to re-offend as much as the lack of alternatives in our case. Then again I'm not even arguing that they should get life in prison or anything, just that treating rapists with a limp wrist is AWFUL policy that will increase rape offenses. 2-3 years is probably sufficient, letting them off with light public-service is not.

Proof the West has lost the fucking plot.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51613933]I disagree it would lower crime rates in and of itself. I also disagree that aggravated rape isn't a justifiable crime to deport people for. Exceptions should be made for certain countries and right now I'd say barely a handful of countries qualify. Unfortunately many people are fleeing those countries for the same reason we shouldn't deport them for.[/QUOTE] If people see others getting away with light sentencing for rape, I imagine it becomes a lot easier for them to justify it to themselves. What do they have to lose, after all, their friend got away with it? Also I wasn't saying that I think rape isn't serious enough to warrant deportation, I was saying that I don't think simple deportation is a sufficient sentence for rape. At the very least they should serve the standard punishment in the country in which they committed the crime, and then AFTER serving that sentence, if they are deemed incapable of integration, they should be considered for deportation. The idea that you let someone into your country, and then simply send them home if they rape someone sounds absurd to me. [QUOTE=GunFox;51613958]Private prisons are awful[/QUOTE] Yeah I know that happens here, I was making that statement because I don't like the idea of suggesting other countries should mimic it and I was offering my reasoning for why. I also despise that we do it here because it's policy that encourages imprisonment.

[QUOTE=dunkace;51614009]Proof the West has lost the fucking plot.[/QUOTE] Funny, I could've sworn you posted the same line verbatim in the last version of this thread just before it was closed. Maybe it'll make you look cool if more people can see it, right?

[QUOTE=archangel125;51613880]I think immigrants raped and killed, then ate !LORD M!'s entire family. It's the only reason I can think of that he'd be this irrationally triggered by such stories.[/QUOTE] You're right! It wasn't !LORD M! or his family that was dragged into the woods with a hoodie over his head, raped, beaten and bitten for over an hour at knifepoint. Fearing for his life while the perpetrators filmed him and then threatened to release the video if he went to the police. It wasn't !LORD M! or his family who had to hear that his rapists and tormentors weren't even deported but sentenced to barely more than a year in juvy. It was an underaged boy !LORD M! has never even met. So of course !LORD M! can't be angry. None of us can be angry, it didn't happen to us or someone we are close to. Let's just forget this, chalk it up to precedence and the law being the law, pretending the law is something that can't be altered. Pretending that this won't happen again.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613798]That is unfortunate, but they should have thought of that before raping/killing someone or what else get them deported. [/QUOTE]We may as well just punish every crime with the death sentence if we start using that logic. [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613798]T Who defends the victims of said rapists and see they get what they been determined to receive for damages done by said rapist? Why won't you think of the victims and their rights and human rights?[/QUOTE]How is respecting the human rights of the perpetrators infringing the human rights of the victims? The point of human rights is that they are absolute and that everyone has them. The sentence does seem rather light to me, I agree that it should be a tad higher, however it has to then apply to all Swedes as people here have said before.

[QUOTE=huyu;51614036]You're right! It wasn't !LORD M! or his family that was dragged into the woods with a hoodie over his head, raped, beaten and bitten for over an hour at knifepoint. Fearing for his life while the perpetrators filmed him and then threatened to release the video if he went to the police. It wasn't !LORD M! or his family who had to hear that his rapists and tormentors weren't even deported but sentenced to barely more than a year in juvy. It was an underaged boy !LORD M! has never even met. So of course !LORD M! can't be angry. None of us can be angry, it didn't happen to us or someone we are close to. Let's just forget this, chalk it up to precedence and the law being the law, pretending the law is something that can't be altered. Pretending that this won't happen again.[/QUOTE] Concerned is a normal human reaction. Upset is a normal human reaction. So blindly enraged that you can't avoid shitposting, so angry that you go full retard and start misrepresenting facts (See: Sweden's rape statistics) is not normal.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613743][URL]https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.friatider.se%2Fmuhameds-kommentar-n-r-han-v-ldtog-ida-12-svart-snopp-r-dyrt-kommer-nu-undan-med-22-dagar-samh-llstj[/URL][/QUOTE] I don't know if it's true or not, so I'm not questioning your statement. I would just like to pin-point that this media source has right radical connections and [I]may or may not[/I] be neutral nor acceptable. Just a heads-up for those who cares about those stuff. Even though they include additional sources inside the article, please source to that one directly.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51613838]Oh look at that! 2003 we were at 8th place and had 25 rapes per 100,000 citizens. 2010 we scored 3rd place in the world with 63.5 rapes per 100,000 citizens. Oh I wonder what the cause is! What else have gone up in extremes since 2003? Immigration? And I would very much want to see the rate of 2016, maybe we can go for silver this time![/QUOTE] The increase is rooted in the judicial definition of rape [url=https://dinarattigheter.se/dina-rattigheter/vad-sager-lagen/vad-ar-sexuella-overgrepp/juridisk-definition-av-valdtakt/](Brottsbalken 6 kap 1 §: Lag 2005:90)[/url] to be more protective of the vulnerable by include more cases of sexual harassment into the term. What happened to you? Years back you were rarely posting at all. And now, I only see you posting in threads regarding immigration. Also, Fria Tider? Really? For those who don't know, Fria Tider is basically the Swedish equivalent of Breitbart.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51613906]It's been pretty conclusively proven that harsh punishments do not deter criminals. See: the entire US justice system. We have among the highest crime rates in the world, the highest rate of recidivism in the world, the highest active prison population in the world, among the longest sentence times in the world, and the harshest prison conditions and sentences of the Western world. Clearly, our highly punitive prison system is not having the intended effect. Rehabilitative systems are objectively better in every measurable capacity. Here's an interesting article, citing a major 2014 study by the National Research Council on the subject: [URL]https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ethics-in-question/201509/harsh-justice[/URL] A link to the cited study: [URL]http://johnjay.jjay.cuny.edu/nrc/NAS_report_on_incarceration.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE] Did you look at the actual study? At most, it says that the results are uncertain. To call it "conclusively proven" based on this study is just flat out false. In fact, it admits at least small positive effects of long prison sentences on reductions in crime. The section that specifies which areas still need more research specifically lists the effect of longer time in prison on deterrence: "Priority should be given to investigating the magnitudeof deterrence as a function of sentence length and to establishing whetherother components of the certainty of punishment beyond the certainty ofapprehension (such as the probability of imprisonment given conviction)are effective deterrents. Such studies should include estimates of the long laggedeffects on crime, through deterrence or other mechanisms, of specificsentencing policies" It also fails to address the fact that crime rates have failed to continue their downward trend and are now starting to go back up in many states that have put the prison reforms in place that are recommended by this report. California, for example, is seeing an increase in crime while also decreasing their prison population.

[QUOTE=The bird Man;51614053]I don't know if it's true or not, so I'm not questioning your statement. I would just like to pin-point that this media source has right radical connections and [I]may or may not[/I] be neutral nor acceptable. Just a heads-up for those who cares about those stuff. Even though they include additional sources inside the article, please source to that one directly.[/QUOTE] It's unsurprising that Lord M gets his information from such shoddy sources.

[QUOTE=Kazumi;51614080]The increase is rooted in the judicial definition of rape [url=https://dinarattigheter.se/dina-rattigheter/vad-sager-lagen/vad-ar-sexuella-overgrepp/juridisk-definition-av-valdtakt/](Brottsbalken 6 kap 1 §: Lag 2005:90)[/url] to be more protective of the vulnerable by include more cases of sexual harassment into the term. What happened to you? Years back you were rarely posting at all. And now, I only see you posting in threads regarding immigration. Also, Fria Tider? Really? For those who don't know, Fria Tider is basically the Swedish equivalent of Breitbart.[/QUOTE] The thing is. I don't ever hear of Sweden's rape rate ever going down, yet people always cite the defence of Sweden taking it as a very broad term. Yet I keep hearing how Sweden is losing more and more control over their own country all in the name of a perceived ''holier-than-thou'' attitude that cares more about looking tolerant than actually solving problems. You keep hearing more and more of those abhorrent stories coming from Sweden while their mainstream media tries their hardest to hide said stories as much as possible. Kind of hard to believe that Sweden used to be one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world decades ago. Although it would explain why many people I know agree with the opinion that Sweden has lost the fucking plot in the last decade. Even at my university, many people don't see Sweden as a positive example anymore since a long while. Or only as an example as ''What NOT to do as a Western European country.''

[QUOTE=Jordax;51614131]The thing is. I don't ever hear of Sweden's rape rate ever going down, yet people always cite the defence of Sweden taking it as a very broad term. Yet I keep hearing how Sweden is losing more and more control over their own country all in the name of a perceived ''holier-than-thou'' attitude that cares more about looking tolerant than actually solving problems. You keep hearing more and more of those abhorrent stories coming from Sweden while their mainstream media tries their hardest to hide said stories as much as possible. Kind of hard to believe that Sweden used to be one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world decades ago. Although it would explain why many people I know agree with the opinion that Sweden has lost the fucking plot in the last decade. Even at my university, many people don't see Sweden as a positive example anymore since a long while. Or only as an example as ''What NOT to do as a Western European country.''[/QUOTE] Wait, the mainstream media hides these stories? Au contraire, they shout them from the mountaintops, because it brings in killer ratings. Hell, if even the Washington Post carried this story, how does your claim the media is trying to hide it make sense in any version of reality?

[QUOTE=Jordax;51614131]The thing is. I don't ever hear of Sweden's rape rate ever going down, yet people always cite the defence of Sweden taking it as a very broad term. Yet I keep hearing how Sweden is losing more and more control over their own country all in the name of a perceived ''holier-than-thou'' attitude that cares more about looking tolerant than actually solving problems. You keep hearing more and more of those abhorrent stories coming from Sweden while their mainstream media tries their hardest to hide said stories as much as possible. Kind of hard to believe that Sweden used to be one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world decades ago. Although it would explain why many people I know agree with the opinion that Sweden has lost the fucking plot in the last decade. Even at my university, many people don't see Sweden as a positive example anymore since a long while. Or only as an example as ''What NOT to do as a Western European country.''[/QUOTE] Why would anyone report about the rape rates going down in Sweden though? Or that things are going well in general? There's a massive propaganda campaign going on against Sweden, and I can understand why. There's jealousy mixed with "hah suits your right" attitude going on due to Sweden always being so progressive and successful. There are a lot of statistics that debunks most of the shit thrown at Sweden. Take rape rates. Blue is the number of reported sexual crimes, red is the number of reported rape. Green is the actual number of victims, rape victims included. It has been fairly stable. [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Rate_of_exposure_to_sexual_offences_unchanged_2005-2013.svg/584px-Rate_of_exposure_to_sexual_offences_unchanged_2005-2013.svg.png[/IMG] I don't understand where you're getting that our mainstream media is doing their hardest to hide "those abhorrent stories". And I don't understand where you're getting that we're losing control over Sweden. Each time I read about Sweden in foreign propaganda media, the more I believe they're writing about fucking Iraq. Meanwhile my Swedish flag is on top of my house in fucking Fittja.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51614175]Wait, the mainstream media hides these stories? Au contraire, they shout them from the mountaintops, because it brings in killer ratings. Hell, if even the Washington Post carried this story, how does your claim the media is trying to hide it make sense in any version of reality?[/QUOTE] With other less known stories from Sweden. You all probably remember that Swedish kid with a Darth Vader cosplay stabbing people to death in his former school last year, yet also a year ago, a Syrian kid stabs a Lithuanian classmate to death in a Swedish school the day after Christmas Break ended, and the only reason that story came to light in the first place, is that Lithuanian newspapers reported on it while Swedish media refrained from reporting on the story. Mainstream media didn't report on that either. [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Swebonny;51614186]Why would anyone report about the rape rates going down in Sweden though? Or that things are going well in general? There's a massive propaganda campaign going on against Sweden, and I can understand why. There's jealousy mixed with "hah suits your right" attitude going on due to Sweden always being so progressive and successful. There are a lot of statistics that debunks most of the shit thrown at Sweden. Take rape rates. Blue is the number of reported sexual crimes, red is the number of reported rape. Green is the actual number of victims, rape victims included. It has been fairly stable. [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Rate_of_exposure_to_sexual_offences_unchanged_2005-2013.svg/584px-Rate_of_exposure_to_sexual_offences_unchanged_2005-2013.svg.png[/IMG] I don't understand where you're getting that our mainstream media is doing their hardest to hide "those abhorrent stories". And I don't understand where you're getting that we're losing control over Sweden. Each time I read about Sweden in foreign propaganda media, the more I believe they're writing about fucking Iraq. Meanwhile my Swedish flag is on top of my house in fucking Fittja.[/QUOTE] Do you have any stats after you took in the most refugees per capita in Europe? Or people pretending to be refugees, we unfortunately have a lot of those people in Europe too.

[QUOTE=Jordax;51614187]Mainstream media didn't report on that.[/QUOTE] Sorry man, that's absolute horse shit. It was reported [del]2 hours[/del], 1 hour 34 minutes after it happened: [URL]http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/pojke-till-sjukhus-efter-knivskarning-pa-skola/[/URL] [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Jordax;51614187] Do you have any stats after you took in the most refugees per capita in Europe? Or people pretending to be refugees, we unfortunately have a lot of those people in Europe too.[/QUOTE] We've been taking in a shitton of refugees every year. 80k+, if they really were such a big problem then it'd surely show in the statistics. What I'm essentially trying to say is that, it's very misleading to compare statistics like this when each individual country are collecting the data in different ways. On the same website, India is shown as the country with one of the least rape rates. Probably not very true right? [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dSwALHN.png[/IMG] [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] This reminds me of another piece of anti-Sweden propaganda. About how Sweden was going to become a 3rd world country by 2030. Apparently it even was a [B]UN[/B] study, wow! [URL]http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html[/URL] By 2015 we'd be at the 25th spot and then by 2030 we'd be at 45th. Actual data from 2015, Sweden and some fellow 3rd world countries. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/sXbDSNH.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Jordax;51614131]The thing is. I don't ever hear of Sweden's rape rate ever going down, yet people always cite the defence of Sweden taking it as a very broad term. Yet I keep hearing how Sweden is losing more and more control over their own country all in the name of a perceived ''holier-than-thou'' attitude that cares more about looking tolerant than actually solving problems. You keep hearing more and more of those abhorrent stories coming from Sweden while their mainstream media tries their hardest to hide said stories as much as possible. Kind of hard to believe that Sweden used to be one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world decades ago. Although it would explain why many people I know agree with the opinion that Sweden has lost the fucking plot in the last decade. Even at my university, many people don't see Sweden as a positive example anymore since a long while. Or only as an example as ''What NOT to do as a Western European country.''[/QUOTE] The things that make Sweden great aren't as newsworthy to the rest of the world I would imagine. It's no secret that most countries don't want to have to deal with the immigration crisis. Portraying Sweden as being "taken over by immigrants" may be a way of justifying those thoughts. Even I don't know what to think. Because we only hear about the bad stuff, it's hard to get an accurate picture of how things are going unless you take a look into the statistics yourself.

[QUOTE=qwea00;51614256]The things that make Sweden great aren't as newsworthy to the rest of the world I would imagine. It's no secret that most countries don't want to have to deal with the immigration crisis. Portraying Sweden as being "taken over by immigrants" may be a way of justifying those thoughts. Even I don't know what to think. Because we only hear about the bad stuff, it's hard to get an accurate picture of how things are going unless you take a look into the statistics yourself.[/QUOTE] Obviously there have been problems stemming from the number of refugees/immigrants we're taking in. There's a bad integration/assimilation process, there's a heightened crime rate in areas with large immigrant populations. Those are cold hard facts, just like the rape stats I mentioned above. You can't selectively chose what fact is correct and what fact is wrong, as evidently many users seem to do, on both side of the political spectrum.

[QUOTE=Jordax;51614131]The thing is. I don't ever hear of Sweden's rape rate ever going down, yet people always cite the defence of Sweden taking it as a very broad term. Yet I keep hearing how Sweden is losing more and more control over their own country all in the name of a perceived ''holier-than-thou'' attitude that cares more about looking tolerant than actually solving problems. You keep hearing more and more of those abhorrent stories coming from Sweden while their mainstream media tries their hardest to hide said stories as much as possible. Kind of hard to believe that Sweden used to be one of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world decades ago. Although it would explain why many people I know agree with the opinion that Sweden has lost the fucking plot in the last decade. Even at my university, many people don't see Sweden as a positive example anymore since a long while. Or only as an example as ''What NOT to do as a Western European country.''[/QUOTE] Interesting, because I more often see things blown out of proportion. Anyway, to respond to your first comment: I don't think there has been any significant long term change in sexual violence since the law change in 2005. If anything, young girls (and boys alike) have been encouraged to report any sort of sexual abuse, which would also be indicated as a rise in the statistics. Besides, each instance of sexual violence is treated separately. So if a woman creates one report stating three cases of sexual assaults, that counts as three separate instances of rape, which further increases the statistics. I don't see how we are perceived as having a better-than-thou attitude. Sure there can be a bit of national pride sometimes. But to actively compare ourselves to others and stating that we are better [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante]is completely the opposite from the scandinavian social culture.[/url] Admittedly, there are loud-mouthed loons doing what you described. But everyone, no matter nationality or group, has those. [editline]2nd January 2017[/editline] In addendum: It is the first time it really struck me how much of a post-truth era we actually find ourselves in. No matter how many explanations or how much statistics are involved, if it won't fit within the subjective narrative framework of the individual, in the end it doesn't matter. I've seen this (sexual violence in Sweden) being talked about for quite some time now and I can't believe it is still taking place. Also: [url=https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fsverigesradio.se%2Fsida%2Fartikel.aspx%3Fprogramid%3D406%26artikel%3D6365578&edit-text=&act=url]Tenacious myth about rape continues - Sweden's record high rape statistics can not be compared with other countries' statistics, because the way to record and willingness to report markedly different.[/url]

[QUOTE=archangel125;51614035]Funny, I could've sworn you posted the same line verbatim in the last version of this thread just before it was closed. Maybe it'll make you look cool if more people can see it, right?[/QUOTE] Thought I would repost it seen as the last one was closed.