5 Afghan teens in Sweden charged with raping Afghan boy. Not to be deported due to security concerns - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Tudd;51622528]Nobody is not saying they aren't human, but to ignore the obvious cultural gap in key areas like women's rights is pure forceful ignorance. I am all for better integration, but walking on eggshells to not offend people gets us nowhere.[/QUOTE] You do know that spousal rape in the US was tolerated for a long time, right. Like up until the 90s it was still legal. They have to go through the cultural adjustment stages. This takes time.

[QUOTE=IQ-Guldfisk;51622381]Didn't know raping a woman was an Islamic tradition.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] “Men have weaknesses and when they see someone smiling it is difficult to control,” Mr. Kelifa said, explaining that in his own country, Eritrea, “if someone wants a lady he can just take her and he will not be punished,” at least not by the police. [/QUOTE] Sorry, appears to be African instead of Islamic tradition, but you get the point.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51622861]You do know that spousal rape in the US was tolerated for a long time, right. Like up until the 90s it was still legal. They have to go through the cultural adjustment stages. This takes time.[/QUOTE] So we should let people rape and just wait for them to stop raping because it takes time

[QUOTE=gukki;51623354]So we should let people rape and just wait for them to stop raping because it takes time[/QUOTE] Looks like the law is working just fine here. And yes, changing cultures takes time.

[QUOTE=Crooky14;51622486]I am saying how just deporting them will not stop the ideology and will not stop the problem, these people obviously have some problems and need to be put into some type of program that could rehabilitate them as simply prison alone as a punishment will do no good at targeting the problems which fueled this[/QUOTE] I still think it's sad that evidently (according to Tudd) it actually needs to be physically pointed out to certain demographics that rape is in fact entirely unacceptable.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51623494]I still think it's sad that evidently (according to Tudd) it actually needs to be physically pointed out to certain demographics that rape is in fact entirely unacceptable.[/QUOTE] I think it should be noted all I did was link a New York Times article of an interview they had with one individual who felt comfortable enough to even admit that. Now people on here are already getting odd on their arguments here say, "It's just Eritrea, hardly a model Islamic country." and then arguing with statistics from Pew Research, one of the most credible and forefront statistics groups out there. To which I say what is the model Islamic country? What statistics do you have that fundamentally contradict that in alot of Muslim dominated countries 80-90% of men believe their wife should do whatever they are commanded to do? And saying that Saudi Arabia's religious identity "doesn't do much" on why the discrimination of women exist is one of the most laughable suggestions I have seen. I even saw a comment on here that was even more interesting. Someone suggesting that the cultural behavior is comparable of that to America's history with spousal rape/assume. Which lets assume I even agree with that statement (I don't for various reasons) then the "time" to change such behaviors is atleast decades going by our own historical precedent. Perhaps we should openly admit we might need proactive measures that address this problem then hoping it magically changes overtime. Let's even look deeper into that same Norwegian class we referred back to, but this time the BBC interviewing some other individuals. [quote]The class conversation moves on to rape between a married couple - one insists a married man cannot, as far as the law is concerned, rape his wife, but he is told by others in the group that he can. They discuss how culture and religion play a role. "We have family courts in Iraq," one man says. "Sometimes a woman who is raped by a man will end up being forced to marry him by the families, to stop people talking."[/quote] But luckily there is good news here, atleast for Norway on this matter. [quote]Preben Svendsen, who runs the refugee centre, does not think the classes stigmatised the men, as statistics show most rapes in Norway are not committed by migrants. "What we do is give them the most information possible about society they just arrived to, so they can be as successful as possible," he says. "It's not just about the training itself, it's about creating a good relationship with the people who live with us, so they can build trust, and if they have any challenges in the future they will hopefully have the confidence to come and ask us for advice if they need to." The men say they do not feel patronised by the classes. "It's known in society that sexual violence is wrong. Any rational person knows that," one says. "The difference is that you guys talk about it, and we don't. So it's a good thing."[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36469828[/url] And so it seems like from atleast what I gather from the article, that maybe actually talking about these cultural differences in attitudes towards sex, rape, and gender is actually something we should do in an educational setting if these people are continuing to stay. But at the same time there are some stark cultural differences and they still have to be acknowledged.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51622383]blame the traditions instead of shitty people, thats going to totally work.[/QUOTE] it does actually