• Mike Huckabee on gay parents: "Children are not puppies"
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[QUOTE=Xera;21324662]"Gay parents can't abuse children"[/QUOTE] Just consider this: when you are gay and want to have children, there's a huge difference in the amount of effort, time, and even money that has to go into it compared to straight couples. All they have to do is take off the condom and fuck away; gay people have to go through adoption, artificial insemination and couple arrangement, and sometimes surrogacy hire, all of which cost well above $30,000 dollars. Having children is a very big decision, and when it can't just happen by accident, you will find the general population of gay parents much more responsible because of it. Oh, and have I mentioned that a huge amount of gay people do not even want kids to begin with?
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;21330530] Oh, and have I mentioned that a huge amount of gay people do not even want kids to begin with?[/QUOTE] And where do you based this off of? At anyrate, gay couples can have childern much cheap buy paying off someone. My friend was approached by a lesbian couple and they were willing to pay him to impregnate one of them. He won't even have to take care of the child. That's a option fo a two gay male couples, but lesbians are still women and that can even go to a sperm bank to get a child if they really want one. Looks like it's not all that [url=http://www.spermbankcalifornia.com/sperm-bank-cost.html]expensive[/url].
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;21324483]Yet another Republican that needs to be shot[/QUOTE] Great idea! Let's just shoot anyone with post-conventional moral reasoning. on a more relevant note, I would have to agree with the ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ policy in the military. If you're gay and in the army, just shut up and do your job, it's as simple as that. Nobody needs to know your sexual orientation
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21330760] on a more relevant note, I would have to agree with the ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ policy in the military. If you're gay and in the army, just shut up and do your job, it's as simple as that. Nobody needs to know your sexual orientation[/QUOTE] but, under dadt it's totally ok to tell people about your sexual orientation if you're straight. That's the double standard
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21330844]but, under dadt it's totally ok to tell people about your sexual orientation if you're straight. That's the double standard[/QUOTE] The difference being that straight people aren't discriminated against for their orientation. Yes, it's a double standard, but the consquences of telling everybody you're gay are way different from telling everyone you're straight.
What if you're into screwing dolphins?
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21330898]The difference being that straight people aren't discriminated against for their orientation. Yes, it's a double standard, but the consquences of telling everybody you're gay are way different from telling everyone you're straight.[/QUOTE] and this justifies dadt how
[QUOTE=Sodisna;21330708]And where do you based this off of? At anyrate, gay couples can have childern much cheap buy paying off someone. My friend was approached by a lesbian couple and they were willing to pay him to impregnate one of them. He won't even have to take care of the child. That's a option fo a two gay male couples, but lesbians are still women and that can even go to a sperm bank to get a child if they really want one. Looks like it's not all that [url=http://www.spermbankcalifornia.com/sperm-bank-cost.html]expensive[/url].[/QUOTE]Sure, but personally I'd rather not be the secondary caretaker of my child. Surrogacy is the only way I'd go personally. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogate_pregnancy[/url] Go to any gay forum, facepunch's even, ask how many want to be dad's.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21330967]and this justifies dadt how[/QUOTE] so that gays aren't getting discriminated in the military? how do you think they'll be treated when everyone knows they're gay?
[QUOTE=TailsPrower;21330530]Just consider this: when you are gay and want to have children, there's a huge difference in the amount of effort, time, and even money that has to go into it compared to straight couples. All they have to do is take off the condom and fuck away; gay people have to go through adoption, artificial insemination and couple arrangement, and sometimes surrogacy hire, all of which cost well above $30,000 dollars. Having children is a very big decision, and when it can't just happen by accident, you will find the general population of gay parents much more responsible because of it. Oh, and have I mentioned that a huge amount of gay people do not even want kids to begin with?[/QUOTE] That's what you get for having such a fetish.
WHY can't we have this: [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21314760] moral groundings [/QUOTE] Without THIS? [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21314760] ‘Oh, I am very much a Christian. I very much love God.’ [/QUOTE]
Why the hell isn't Facepunch homophobic anymore ? It's like everyone suddenly turned gay at once :ohdear:
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21331187]how do you think they'll be treated when everyone knows they're gay?[/QUOTE] persecute the people who mistreat them. I'm pretty sure that harassing your fellow soldiers isn't tolerated in the military, whatever the reason is.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21331720]persecute the people who mistreat them. I'm pretty sure that harassing your fellow soldiers isn't tolerated in the military, whatever the reason is.[/QUOTE] I agree, but due to the circumstances surrounding a job in the military it's best if nobody knows. There's no benefit to letting everyone know your orientation, but it's very likely that soldiers with homophobic tendencies will hold grudges against gays, regardless of blatant mistreatment being disallowed. What if your CO is a homophobe? Why take the chance when there's nothing to gain in the first place? It'd be great if we lived in a perfect world where discrimination wasn't ever an issue, but we don't, so laws like these need to be made to prevent it from happening, in whatever form it might happen. A good CO would persecute anyone who mistreats fellow soldiers, but nobody can prevent an individual from holding personal grudges, and obviously soldiers can't be secretly hating each other when their job is as critical as it is.
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21332119]I agree, but due to the circumstances surrounding a job in the military it's best if nobody knows. There's no benefit to letting everyone know your orientation[/QUOTE] one of the big issues is that many soldiers have been outed against their will and been kicked out. They didn't do anything and they're suffering for it. You can't make those people special cases, you can't make people who've been outed against their will exceptions to the rule because that will bring up so many conflicts. You either have to not kick anyone out for being gay, or you have to kick out everyone who is revealed to be gay regardless of whether or not they revealed it themselves.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21331720]persecute the people who mistreat them. I'm pretty sure that harassing your fellow soldiers isn't tolerated in the military, whatever the reason is.[/QUOTE] In the military everyone is harassed massively and equally.
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21331187]so that gays aren't getting discriminated in the military? how do you think they'll be treated when everyone knows they're gay?[/QUOTE] Once DADT is repealed they aren't going to up and start singing show tunes. The real problem with DADT is when someone finds out that a soldier's gay through some ridiculous invasion of privacy and then that soldier gets booted.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21332232]one of the big issues is that many soldiers have been outed against their will and been kicked out. They didn't do anything and they're suffering for it. You can't make those people special cases, you can't make people who've been outed against their will exceptions to the rule because that will bring up so many conflicts. You either have to not kick anyone out for being gay, or you have to kick out everyone who is revealed to be gay regardless of whether or not they revealed it themselves.[/QUOTE] It's as simple as kicking them out after they reveal their homosexuality. There's a reason they call it [U]Don't Ask Don't Tell.[/U] You can be gay, just don't make an issue out of it by telling everyone. [editline]05:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mexican;21332479]Once DADT is repealed they aren't going to up and start singing show tunes. The real problem with DADT is when someone finds out that a soldier's gay through some ridiculous invasion of privacy and then that soldier gets booted.[/QUOTE] Purposely looking for a way to kick someone out is wrong, but I can't see that happening unless the soldier is a problem to begin with.
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21332584]It's as simple as kicking them out after they reveal their homosexuality. There's a reason they call it [U]Don't Ask Don't Tell.[/U] You can be gay, just don't make an issue out of it by telling everyone.[/QUOTE] No his point was there have been cases where someone found out they were gay and then outed them, which resulted in them being booted. And in my mind, by invading their privacy they were asking, and by outing them they were telling. But of course they won't be punished, they'll get a pat on the back for being a good little snitch.
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21332584]It's as simple as kicking them out after they reveal their homosexuality. There's a reason they call it [U]Don't Ask Don't Tell.[/U] You can be gay, just don't make an issue out of it by telling everyone. [editline]05:34PM[/editline] [b]Purposely looking for a way to kick someone out is wrong, but I can't see that happening unless the soldier is a problem to begin with.[/b][/QUOTE] The only problem with this is that it has already happened. Hell, there was a thread about it In The News.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21332761]No his point was there have been cases where someone found out they were gay and then outed them, which resulted in them being booted. And in my mind, by invading their privacy they were asking, and by outing them they were telling. But of course they won't be punished, they'll get a pat on the back for being a good little snitch.[/QUOTE] My misunderstanding, I concede that point
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21332584] Purposely looking for a way to kick someone out is wrong, but I can't see that happening unless the soldier is a problem to begin with.[/QUOTE] it's happened before [URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14052513/[/URL] [URL]http://cbs5.com/national/Jene.Newsome.outed.2.1559450.html[/URL] [QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21332907]My misunderstanding, I concede that point[/QUOTE] you have to concede the whole thing. You can't make exceptions for people who were outed against their will, that would be incongruous. You either have to kick out everyone who is revealed to be gay, whether or not they did it themselves, or you have to kick out no one for being gay. Anything else would be inconsistent and bring up huge conflicts between who and who not to make an exception
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21330967]and this justifies dadt how[/QUOTE] Life's tough. Deal with it.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;21336027]Life's tough. Deal with it.[/QUOTE] wow this is the worst argument ive ever heard
[QUOTE=wildwill;21330942]What if you're into screwing dolphins?[/QUOTE] A dolphin can't consent to my penis Neither can a child before you try to use the pedophile argument A gay man can
[QUOTE=Sewer Boy;21330898]The difference being that straight people aren't discriminated against for their orientation. Yes, it's a double standard, but the consquences of telling everybody you're gay are way different from telling everyone you're straight.[/QUOTE] you do realize that the military will actually try and find out your sexual orientation and discharge you if they find out you're gay, right?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21336086]A dolphin can't consent to my penis Neither can a child before you try to use the pedophile argument A gay man can[/QUOTE] I was referring to sexual fetish, not consent. And yes, a dolphin can consent. If he/she didn't want it it'd bite you.
[QUOTE=Wakka;21318616]I read somewhere that there is no such gene. For there to be a gene, there would have to be an incentive for the body to evolve into doing such a thing. There is absolutely no benefit to one's survival and procreation (from an evolutionary standpoint). Pretty sure that if people evolved, the penis wasn't formed to go into the rectal cavity of another person.[/QUOTE] In pairs of identical twins, if one is gay, the other is 70% likely to be so aswell. Also, population control would be a good idea for evolution, with the population growth rate and all.
[QUOTE=BagMinge101;21336893] Also, population control would be a good idea for evolution, with the population growth rate and all.[/QUOTE] that's eugenics and it is morally reprehensible also homosexuality doesn't have any effect on "overpopulation" dummy. Regardless of what laws there are, the percentage of the population that is gay is fairly constant. you can't fight overpopulation with homosexuality
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21337104]that's eugenics and it is morally reprehensible also homosexuality doesn't have any effect on "overpopulation" dummy. Regardless of what laws there are, the percentage of the population that is gay is fairly constant. you can't fight overpopulation with homosexuality[/QUOTE] I never said we should be killing off people. That would be horrible. Same with forced birth control. I just thought that the evolutionary system or whatever might just be thinking it's best if we slow ourselves down, if that makes sense. also to your second point, I'm not saying evolution is turning more people gay, my point was that it has gay people as a way of keeping ourselves in check.
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