Angelina Jolie & Brad Pitt Support Shiloh's Wish To Be Called "John" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;46787250]People who are biologically female are typically assigned the female gender at birth. I think that "assigned x at birth" is a phrase that sounds kinda bad but when used to refer to a person who later identifies as transgendered it's sensible. Otherwise, for you and me who identify as our genitals would imply, it'd only be superfluous and pretentious[/QUOTE] "Born female" could've worked

[QUOTE=Kardia;46787334]I wish my parents respected my exploration of identity at 3. I'd be a T-Rex right now. Or at least some sort of wild man living on an island off of Costa Rica. Of course that's not realistic... Unlike a name change, style changes, label changes, medical programs if needed. Maybe if I was born in the right future period, I'd be offered a solution. My 3 year old mind would be put into a computer simulation of a Cretaceous period fantasy land. I would have been happiest then (I don't know what tense to use... future/past?). I would have chosen a life like that in heartbeat. Of course I'd be only 3. But if I'm going to become a dinosaur till my minds end... it'd probably be best done early in life.[/QUOTE] In the womb you can be either male or female. Sometimes, things screw up, and you get a person with a physically female/male brain in a male/female body. You cannot be a dinosaur. You can never have a physically dinosaur brain in a human body. Get the fuck out with your ridiculous, hateful, and ignorant "argument" you stole from South Park.

[QUOTE=Tom Hutchins;46787206]Yay! Supporting our child's mental illness is fun![/QUOTE] Really?

[QUOTE=Eric95;46787356]"Born female" could've worked[/QUOTE] "Born female" is kinda inaccurate. You're only "born" male or female in the sense of sex. In the sense of gender though, you're a genderless blob, one who can't even comprehend the idea of gender, until someone puts pink or blue clothes on you.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46787334]I wish my parents respected my exploration of identity at 3. I'd be a T-Rex right now. Or at least some sort of wild man living on an island off of Costa Rica. Of course that's not realistic... Unlike a name change, style changes, label changes, medical programs if needed. Maybe if I was born in the right future period, I'd be offered a solution. My 3 year old mind would be put into a computer simulation of a Cretaceous period fantasy land. I would have been happiest then (I don't know what tense to use... future/past?). I would have chosen a life like that in heartbeat. Of course I'd be only 3. But if I'm going to become a dinosaur till my minds end... it'd probably be best done early in life.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty damn sure this guy is trolling. Nobody is this ignorant.

[QUOTE=Katatonic717;46787396]I'm pretty damn sure this guy is trolling. Nobody is this ignorant.[/QUOTE] It's something ignorant bigots spout all across the internet, I guarantee you he's not trolling.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46787334]I wish my parents respected my exploration of identity at 3. I'd be a T-Rex right now. Or at least some sort of wild man living on an island off of Costa Rica. Of course that's not realistic... Unlike a name change, style changes, label changes, medical programs if needed. Maybe if I was born in the right future period, I'd be offered a solution. My 3 year old mind would be put into a computer simulation of a Cretaceous period fantasy land. I would have been happiest then (I don't know what tense to use... future/past?). I would have chosen a life like that in heartbeat. Of course I'd be only 3. But if I'm going to become a dinosaur till my minds end... it'd probably be best done early in life.[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking Christ.

[QUOTE=Showgun;46787293]his opinion is different than mine so therefor he's stupid[/QUOTE] He's willing going against decades of scientific and medical understanding - he's ignorant and bigoted, therefore stupid

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46787405]It's something ignorant bigots spout all across the internet, I guarantee you he's not trolling.[/QUOTE] Yeah but to spout something that bigoted and mean on a forum that is pretty accepting of trans peoples just screams 'bait' to me.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46787334]I wish my parents respected my exploration of identity at 3. I'd be a T-Rex right now. Or at least some sort of wild man living on an island off of Costa Rica. Of course that's not realistic... Unlike a name change, style changes, label changes, medical programs if needed. Maybe if I was born in the right future period, I'd be offered a solution. My 3 year old mind would be put into a computer simulation of a Cretaceous period fantasy land. I would have been happiest then (I don't know what tense to use... future/past?). I would have chosen a life like that in heartbeat. Of course I'd be only 3. But if I'm going to become a dinosaur till my minds end... it'd probably be best done early in life.[/QUOTE] This fits in nicely with those arguments that gay marriage is a slippery slope that will lead to people marrying their dogs.

[QUOTE=Showgun;46787121]seriously?[/QUOTE] I think it's like that episode from House MD where the same shit happened to a boy who liked girly stuff, he had some sort of disorder which made him have both sets of chromosomes for male and female. Reasiggned to be strictly a boy only to end up having problems from periods, changed to a girl.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;46787378]"Born female" is kinda inaccurate. You're only "born" male or female in the sense of sex. In the sense of gender though, you're a genderless blob, one who can't even comprehend the idea of gender, until someone puts pink or blue clothes on you.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, but "male" and "female" are sexes, not genders. Being a boy/man or a girl/woman is gender.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;46787378]"Born female" is kinda inaccurate. You're only "born" male or female in the sense of sex. In the sense of gender though, you're a genderless blob, one who can't even comprehend the idea of gender, until someone puts pink or blue clothes on you.[/QUOTE] Female and Male are your Sex, not your gender. You're born of one sex and that's the sex that you are. You may identify as a man if you're a female or a woman if male, but that doesn't make you not a female or male biologically. If you guys insist that people learn and use these terms to promote this stuff, the least you could do is be clear and consistent when using it.

Fun fact: Terms like 'assigned female at birth' are used because, if we just said 'biologically female', people would go "Oh, well she's just a girl, then?" Fun fact: This shit doesn't happen because trans people want to be special snowflakes, it happens because transphobes will pick away at the tiniest things to try and 'prove' that somebody's gender is wholly determined by their sex. Fun fact: If (some, dickish) cis people stopped being outrageous fucknuggets, we wouldn't have to 'make up' new words, as if inventing new vocabulary were even a bad thing in the first place.

I don't see how constantly changing the meaning and methods of use for the words you're making up to explain controversial concepts to people is going to help get them and or keep them on your side. Your goal is education on the issue, I assume, so changing the definition/usage of the vocabulary half way through is terrible practice.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46787520]Fun fact: Terms like 'assigned female at birth' are used because, if we just said 'biologically female', people would go "Oh, well she's just a girl, then?" Fun fact: This shit doesn't happen because trans people want to be special snowflakes, it happens because transphobes will pick away at the tiniest things to try and 'prove' that somebody's gender is wholly determined by their sex. Fun fact: If (some, dickish) cis people stopped being outrageous fucknuggets, we wouldn't have to 'make up' new words, as if inventing new vocabulary were even a bad thing in the first place.[/QUOTE] what are you even trying to say If he identifies as a boy he is a female boy, no? Nobody is being transphobic in this discussion, people are just discussing which words to use. Why are you so angry

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46787520]Fun fact: Terms like 'assigned female at birth' are used because, if we just said 'biologically female', people would go "Oh, well she's just a girl, then?" Fun fact: This shit doesn't happen because trans people want to be special snowflakes, it happens because transphobes will pick away at the tiniest things to try and 'prove' that somebody's gender is wholly determined by their sex. Fun fact: If (some, dickish) cis people stopped being outrageous fucknuggets, we wouldn't have to 'make up' new words, as if inventing new vocabulary were even a bad thing in the first place.[/QUOTE] I'd actually argue that by using negative, accusational phrases such as "assigned female at birth" just increases the rift between cis and trans people. I'm fed up of the negative reputation that 'cis' people have on the internet purely for being 'cis'.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;46787378]"Born female" is kinda inaccurate. You're only "born" male or female in the sense of sex. In the sense of gender though, you're a genderless blob, one who can't even comprehend the idea of gender, until someone puts pink or blue clothes on you.[/QUOTE] Not quite true, gender identity and gender roles are different. Gender identity is hard wired at birth and can't be changed. Gender roles are what determine girls like pink and wear skirts and stuff which are social constructs.

[QUOTE=Noss;46787602]I'd actually argue that by using negative, accusational phrases such as "assigned female at birth" just increases the rift between CIS and trans people. I'm fed up of the negative reputation that 'CIS' (as much as I hate that fucking term) people have on the internet purely for being 'CIS'.[/QUOTE] Stop thinking the fringe insanity of Tumblr is the majority opinion. Cis basically just means "the same", it's been used in medical and scientific fields for ages, it has zero negative connontations assuming you're not some nut. Saying that someone is assigned female at birth is not negative or accusational. It's literally just saying "This person was assigned female at their birth, but has since chosen otherwise".

Hahah what the fuck is wrong with people these days

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46787618]Saying that someone is assigned female at birth is not negative or accusational. It's literally just saying "This person was assigned female at their birth, but has since chosen otherwise".[/QUOTE] But "female" isn't the gender that can be changed, that's the sex, which always stays the same even if you're trans

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[QUOTE=Eric95;46787627]But "female" isn't the gender that can be changed, that's the sex, which always stays the same even if you're trans[/QUOTE] Not exactly. Your sex stays the same unless you get SRS in which case you're physically the other sex now, so if you were born male and got SRS then you would be female. I should re-word a sentence I said there. I don't mean to say someone can just say "I'm male now" if they were born female, I meant to say that they [I]portray[/I] themselves as a man now despite their female sex.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46787639]Not exactly. Your sex stays the same unless you get SRS in which case you're physically the other sex now, so if you were born male and got SRS then you would be female. I should re-word a sentence I said there. I don't mean to say someone can just say "I'm male now" if they were born female, I meant to say that they [I]portray[/I] themselves as a man now despite their female sex.[/QUOTE] You're still biologically the same sex that you were born as though, and that is how children are sexed at birth. Nobody "assigns" somebody a sex, that is something that biology (often unfortunately) does.

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;46787622]Hahah what the fuck is wrong with people these days[/QUOTE] Yeah fuck these parents for respecting their son's wishes, what freaks, they should force him to be a girl even though he's not That's absolutely healthy and definitely can not and will not cause suicidal depression! [editline]24th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Noss;46787662]You're still biologically the same sex that you were born as though, and that is how children are sexed at birth. Nobody "assigns" somebody a sex, that is something that biology (often unfortunately) does.[/QUOTE] I know, exactly. I have no objections to that. I'm just saying that "assigned X at birth" is fine because that's just what happens. You're assigned your sex at birth because at birth, sex is all they have to go on to know your gender.

"What's your name?" "Shiloh." "No no, I mean your real name!" "My name is John." "...ok, 'John'." [img]http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080720234611/metalgear/de/images/9/91/Young_ocelot.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Noss;46787662]You're still biologically the same sex that you were born as though, and that is how children are sexed at birth. Nobody "assigns" somebody a sex, that is something that biology (often unfortunately) does.[/QUOTE] SRS is still considered "reassignment" both medically and often legally.

[QUOTE=Eric95;46787593]what are you even trying to say If he identifies as a boy he is a female boy, no? Nobody is being transphobic in this discussion, people are just discussing which words to use. Why are you so angry[/QUOTE] not really, the idea of assigned female at birth kinda distances gender and sex intentionally, using terminology that shows that sex is not under control of the person themselves. they're not a female boy, they're a boy who was assigned female at birth. out of his control, yes, but really wherever or not someone was assigned the correct/incorrect sex at birth is not anyone else's business unless it comes down to medical purposes.

This really is not hard to understand, yet some people still find it difficult. Gender = Man/Woman Sex = Male/Female Gender is mental, determined by the brain. Sex is physical, determined by the genitalia you have.

[QUOTE=Noss;46787602]I'd actually argue that by using negative, accusational phrases such as "assigned female at birth" just increases the rift between CIS and trans people. I'm fed up of the negative reputation that 'CIS' (as much as I hate that fucking term) people have on the internet purely for being 'CIS'.[/QUOTE] Why are you writing cis in capital letters and scare quotes? What's wrong with the term?